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KGBSkunky said:
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Jesus.........dude take a plumbers torch and a piece of rebar.
Try and bend rebar cold..........try HARD!
😆
Now heat with torch until it starts to show color..........just over 1100f.
Now try and bend............ super easy.
Punch hole bldg. light on fire add any fuel and most important feed it oxygen.
Those bldgs. were essentially turned into blast furnaces which create extremely high temps.
Said temps caused the clips holding the steel framework to the beams to fail.










See that works as a explanation for the two towers but bldg. 7..........not so much.
Bldg. 7 was thermite
 
dogster said:
Jesus.........dude take a plumbers torch and a piece of rebar.
Try and bend rebar cold..........try HARD!
😆
Now heat with torch until it starts to show color..........just over 1100f.
Now try and bend............ super easy.
Punch hole bldg. light on fire add any fuel and most important feed it oxygen.
Those bldgs. were essentially turned into blast furnaces which create extremely high temps.
Said temps caused the clips holding the steel framework to the beams to fail.










See that works as a explanation for the two towers but bldg. 7..........not so much.
Bldg. 7 was thermite
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The symmetry of the buildings collapsing is difficult to square with structural failure due to planes burying themselves in the mid to upper floors though. My gut tells me they should have tipped over instead of floor upon floor pancaking on down. That seems like it would require that each plane and the fuel tanks made it to the exact center of each building and then the fuel symmetrically flowed down the center of the buildings. Even small variations in where the fuel flowed would create weaknesses that were not symmetrical and cause an asymmetric collapse.
 
I would bet good money that specific safety requirements that were needed to prevent such devastation were not in place, remember who build these towers.
Money for safety was very easily skimmed by using faulty inferior products and shoddy or the arm inspectors who were bought off.
The towers were not constructed as they claim they were.
They did not twist that day, we watched them come straight down in a pile .
Poof gone.
 
dogster said:
Jesus.........dude take a plumbers torch and a piece of rebar.
Try and bend rebar cold..........try HARD!
😆
Now heat with torch until it starts to show color..........just over 1100f.
Now try and bend............ super easy.
Punch hole bldg. light on fire add any fuel and most important feed it oxygen.
Those bldgs. were essentially turned into blast furnaces which create extremely high temps.
Said temps caused the clips holding the steel framework to the beams to fail.










See that works as a explanation for the two towers but bldg. 7..........not so much.
Bldg. 7 was thermite
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that sounds like the governments explanation


what is the Official explanation of this?




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dogster said:
That was a cruise missile not a jet.
That was the official explanation in layman's terms for the two towers..........sarcasm.
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gotcha and that makes sense


Architects and Engineers for 9-11 have some very compelling arguments



https://www.ae911truth.org/

Undisputed Facts Point to the Controlled Demolition of WTC 7
Response to NIST’s Invitation for Written Comments
Documentation of spoken remarks presented on December 18 conference call with the NCST Advisory Committee
Emailed to NIST on January 4, 2007
Richard Gage, AIA – Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth
I’m Richard Gage, AIA, a licensed architect of 20 years. I represent Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth,1 a fast-growing body of more than 230 architects and engineers dedicated solely to bringing out the truth about all three high-rise building collapses on 9/11. We believe that we have answers to your questions about the puzzling collapse of World Trade Center 7.
In more than 100 steel-framed, high-rise fires (most of them very hot, very large and very long- lasting), not one has collapsed, ever. So it behooves all of us, as your own former chief of NIST’s Fire Science Division, Dr. James Quintiere, said, “to look at real alternatives that might have been the cause of these collapses.”2
Let’s start with temperatures – 1,340 ̊ F. temperatures, recorded in thermal images of the surface of the World Trade Center rubble pile a week after 9/11 by NASA’s AVIRIS equipment on USGS overflights.3 Such temperatures cannot be achieved by oxygen-starved hydrocarbon fires. Such fires burn at only 600 to 800 ̊ F.4 Remember, there was no fire on the top of the pile. The source of this incredible heat was therefore below the surface of the rubble, where it must have been far hotter than 1,340 degrees.
Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition, Inc., who was hired for the Building 7 cleanup, said that “molten steel was found at 7 WTC.”5 Leslie Robertson, World Trade Center structural engineer, stated that on October 5, “21 days after the attacks, the fires were still burning and molten steel was still running.”6 Fire department personnel, recorded on video, reported seeing “molten steel running down the channel rails... like you're in a foundry – like lava from a volcano.”7 Joe O’Toole, a Bronx firefighter, saw a crane lifting a steel beam vertically from deep within a pile. He said “it was dripping from the molten steel.”8 Bart Voorsanger, an architect hired to save “relics from the rubble,” stated about the multi-ton “meteorite” that it was a “fused element of molten steel and concrete.”9
The knowledge that this evidence even exists was denied by one of your top engineers, John Gross, in his appearance at the University of Texas in April of this year.10
Steel melts at about 2,850 degrees Fahrenheit, about twice the temperature of the World Trade Center Tower 1 and 2 fires as estimated by NIST. So what melted the steel?
1

Appendix C of FEMA’s BPAT Report (attached to this email) documents steel samples showing rapid oxidation, sulfidation, and intergranular melting.11 A liquid eutectic mixture, including sulfur from an unknown source, caused intense corrosion of the steel, gaping holes in wide flange beams, and the thinning of half-inch-thick flanges to almost razor-sharpness in the World Trade Center 7 steel. The New York Times called this “the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation.”
NIST left all of this crucial forensic evidence out of its report. Why? Because it didn’t fit in with the official conspiracy theory.
Last year, physicist Steven Jones, two other physicists, and a geologist analyzed the slag at the ends of the beams and in the samples of the previously molten metal.12 They found iron, aluminum, sulfur, manganese and fluorine – the chemical evidence of thermate, a high-tech incendiary cutting charge used by the military to cut through steel like a hot knife through butter. The by-product of the thermate reaction is molten iron! There’s no other possible source for all the molten iron that was found. One of thermate’s key ingredients is sulfur, which can form the liquid eutectic that FEMA found and lower the melting point of steel.
In addition, World Trade Center 7’s catastrophic structural failure showed every characteristic of explosive, controlled demolition. You can see all these characteristics at our website www.AE911truth.org. The destruction began suddenly at the base of the building. Several first responders reported explosions occurring about a second before the collapse. There was the symmetrical, near-free-fall speed of collapse, through the path of greatest resistance – with 40,000 tons of steel designed to resist this load – straight down into its own footprint. This requires that all the columns have to fail within a fraction of a second of each other – perimeter columns as well as core columns. There was also the appearance of mistimed explosions (squibs?) at the upper seven floors on the network video recordings of the collapse. And we have expert testimony from a European demolitions expert, Danny Jowenko, who said “This is controlled demolition... a team of experts did this... This is professional work, without any doubt.”13
Fire cannot produce these effects. Fire produces large, gradual deformations and asymmetrical collapses. Thermate can produce all of these effects used in conjunction with linear shaped charges. If the thermate is formed into ultra-fine particles, as has been accomplished at Los Alamos National Laboratory, it is called super-thermate, and is very explosive.14
The National Fire Protection Association’s NFPA 921 Guide for Fire and Explosion Investigations (1998 Edition) dictates in fire investigations that certain residues should be tested for. Thermate would leave behind signs of sulfidation/corrosion by sulfur. Such residues were in fact noted in Appendix C of the FEMA BPAT report (see note 11). “If the physical evidence establishes one factor, such as the presence of an accelerant, that may be sufficient to establish the cause even where other factors such as ignition source cannot be determined.”15 Thermate and sulfur obviously qualify as accelerants in this case (with regard to the destruction of steel which in turn could have caused the near-free-fall-speed collapse). (The fires were not particularly suspicious, but Building 7’s collapse was, because of its symmetry and speed.)
2

Because NIST seems to have forgotten or neglected to apply key features of the scientific method, I am including as an attachment to this submission Steven E. Jones, “Revisiting 9/11/2001 -- Applying the Scientific Method”, Journal of 911 Studies, April 2007, http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/JonesWTC911SciMethod.pdf.
How much longer must we endure NIST’s cover-up of how Building 7 was actually destroyed? Millions of Americans,16 including the 230+ architects and engineers and 600 others of AE911Truth.org, demand that NIST come clean with a full-throttle, fully resourced and transparent forensic investigation of the evidence of the controlled demolition of Building 7.
 
bigsur51 said:
that sounds like the governments explanation


what is the Official explanation of this?




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The parking lot video of the Pentagram strike shows ‘something’ speeding toward the building horizontal to the ground. Never flown a plane much less a 757 but I imagine keeping a 150-200 thousand pound aircraft steady at 10 or 20 feet off the ground would be quite a feat. I saw a video a while back of a reporter at the scene questioning a bunch of the narrative. That video has been memory holed since.

Remember: the term ‘conspiracy theory’ was a term the CIA came up with to discredit people saying true statements that went against what the CIA was selling.
 
Airplanes hit the building as a cover up for controlled explosives taking it down like an accordion.
I've seen that demolition done. That's exactly how it looks and works. Those tops of those buildings should have fallen over not went straight down.
 
bigsur51 said:
gotcha and that makes sense


Architects and Engineers for 9-11 have some very compelling arguments



https://www.ae911truth.org/

Undisputed Facts Point to the Controlled Demolition of WTC 7
Response to NIST’s Invitation for Written Comments
Documentation of spoken remarks presented on December 18 conference call with the NCST Advisory Committee
Emailed to NIST on January 4, 2007
Richard Gage, AIA – Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth
I’m Richard Gage, AIA, a licensed architect of 20 years. I represent Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth,1 a fast-growing body of more than 230 architects and engineers dedicated solely to bringing out the truth about all three high-rise building collapses on 9/11. We believe that we have answers to your questions about the puzzling collapse of World Trade Center 7.
In more than 100 steel-framed, high-rise fires (most of them very hot, very large and very long- lasting), not one has collapsed, ever. So it behooves all of us, as your own former chief of NIST’s Fire Science Division, Dr. James Quintiere, said, “to look at real alternatives that might have been the cause of these collapses.”2
Let’s start with temperatures – 1,340 ̊ F. temperatures, recorded in thermal images of the surface of the World Trade Center rubble pile a week after 9/11 by NASA’s AVIRIS equipment on USGS overflights.3 Such temperatures cannot be achieved by oxygen-starved hydrocarbon fires. Such fires burn at only 600 to 800 ̊ F.4 Remember, there was no fire on the top of the pile. The source of this incredible heat was therefore below the surface of the rubble, where it must have been far hotter than 1,340 degrees.
Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition, Inc., who was hired for the Building 7 cleanup, said that “molten steel was found at 7 WTC.”5 Leslie Robertson, World Trade Center structural engineer, stated that on October 5, “21 days after the attacks, the fires were still burning and molten steel was still running.”6 Fire department personnel, recorded on video, reported seeing “molten steel running down the channel rails... like you're in a foundry – like lava from a volcano.”7 Joe O’Toole, a Bronx firefighter, saw a crane lifting a steel beam vertically from deep within a pile. He said “it was dripping from the molten steel.”8 Bart Voorsanger, an architect hired to save “relics from the rubble,” stated about the multi-ton “meteorite” that it was a “fused element of molten steel and concrete.”9
The knowledge that this evidence even exists was denied by one of your top engineers, John Gross, in his appearance at the University of Texas in April of this year.10
Steel melts at about 2,850 degrees Fahrenheit, about twice the temperature of the World Trade Center Tower 1 and 2 fires as estimated by NIST. So what melted the steel?
1

Appendix C of FEMA’s BPAT Report (attached to this email) documents steel samples showing rapid oxidation, sulfidation, and intergranular melting.11 A liquid eutectic mixture, including sulfur from an unknown source, caused intense corrosion of the steel, gaping holes in wide flange beams, and the thinning of half-inch-thick flanges to almost razor-sharpness in the World Trade Center 7 steel. The New York Times called this “the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation.”
NIST left all of this crucial forensic evidence out of its report. Why? Because it didn’t fit in with the official conspiracy theory.
Last year, physicist Steven Jones, two other physicists, and a geologist analyzed the slag at the ends of the beams and in the samples of the previously molten metal.12 They found iron, aluminum, sulfur, manganese and fluorine – the chemical evidence of thermate, a high-tech incendiary cutting charge used by the military to cut through steel like a hot knife through butter. The by-product of the thermate reaction is molten iron! There’s no other possible source for all the molten iron that was found. One of thermate’s key ingredients is sulfur, which can form the liquid eutectic that FEMA found and lower the melting point of steel.
In addition, World Trade Center 7’s catastrophic structural failure showed every characteristic of explosive, controlled demolition. You can see all these characteristics at our website www.AE911truth.org. The destruction began suddenly at the base of the building. Several first responders reported explosions occurring about a second before the collapse. There was the symmetrical, near-free-fall speed of collapse, through the path of greatest resistance – with 40,000 tons of steel designed to resist this load – straight down into its own footprint. This requires that all the columns have to fail within a fraction of a second of each other – perimeter columns as well as core columns. There was also the appearance of mistimed explosions (squibs?) at the upper seven floors on the network video recordings of the collapse. And we have expert testimony from a European demolitions expert, Danny Jowenko, who said “This is controlled demolition... a team of experts did this... This is professional work, without any doubt.”13
Fire cannot produce these effects. Fire produces large, gradual deformations and asymmetrical collapses. Thermate can produce all of these effects used in conjunction with linear shaped charges. If the thermate is formed into ultra-fine particles, as has been accomplished at Los Alamos National Laboratory, it is called super-thermate, and is very explosive.14
The National Fire Protection Association’s NFPA 921 Guide for Fire and Explosion Investigations (1998 Edition) dictates in fire investigations that certain residues should be tested for. Thermate would leave behind signs of sulfidation/corrosion by sulfur. Such residues were in fact noted in Appendix C of the FEMA BPAT report (see note 11). “If the physical evidence establishes one factor, such as the presence of an accelerant, that may be sufficient to establish the cause even where other factors such as ignition source cannot be determined.”15 Thermate and sulfur obviously qualify as accelerants in this case (with regard to the destruction of steel which in turn could have caused the near-free-fall-speed collapse). (The fires were not particularly suspicious, but Building 7’s collapse was, because of its symmetry and speed.)
2

Because NIST seems to have forgotten or neglected to apply key features of the scientific method, I am including as an attachment to this submission Steven E. Jones, “Revisiting 9/11/2001 -- Applying the Scientific Method”, Journal of 911 Studies, April 2007, http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/JonesWTC911SciMethod.pdf.
How much longer must we endure NIST’s cover-up of how Building 7 was actually destroyed? Millions of Americans,16 including the 230+ architects and engineers and 600 others of AE911Truth.org, demand that NIST come clean with a full-throttle, fully resourced and transparent forensic investigation of the evidence of the controlled demolition of Building 7.
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I like to read expert analysis that agrees with my gut feeling😁.
 
bigsur51 said:
jet airplanes do not disappear into a Bldg…….and what happened to the titanium jet engines?



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Just months before 9/11, the World Trade Center's lease was sold to Larry Silverstein.

Silverstein took out an insurance plan that 'fortuitously' covered terrorism. After 9/11,

Silverstein took the insurance company to court, claiming he should be paid double because there were 2 attacks.

He won, and was awarded $4,550,000,000.


The billionaire only avoided being present in the attack when his wife persuaded him to see a doctor that morning rather than take his usual spot in an office at the top of the North Tower. ... SURE


bigsur51 said:
some believe it was run by the Mossad

so many questions , so few answers
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Well He.ll ... I'll take a cheeseburger, pepsi and fries 'cos the truth is always a good show
 
Patwi said:
Just months before 9/11, the World Trade Center's lease was sold to Larry Silverstein.

Silverstein took out an insurance plan that 'fortuitously' covered terrorism. After 9/11,

Silverstein took the insurance company to court, claiming he should be paid double because there were 2 attacks.

He won, and was awarded $4,550,000,000.


The billionaire only avoided being present in the attack when his wife persuaded him to see a doctor that morning rather than take his usual spot in an office at the top of the North Tower. ... SURE





Well He.ll ... I'll take a cheeseburger, pepsi and fries 'cos the truth is always a good show
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there was either a video or photos of several men dancing in the street as the towers came down

they were driving a white van

they were arrested and then the swampers in DC got wind of it and we’re told to deport them back to Israel
 
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