The Original Old Farts Club

[ROSTERMAN]

 

[ROSTERMAN]

 

[ROSTERMAN]

 

[ROSTERMAN]

 

[pute]

Roster you are a hoot. Appreciate ya!

 

[Hippie420]

Air conditioning kicked on for the first time five minutes ago. Got it set for 71. Supposed to be cool again tomorrow.

 

[yooper420]

Good morning my old fart brethren, how ya'll doin' today. Great discussion on several subjects. Speaking as a person who got passed over and hurt by affirmative action at my workplace., I am discussed by your support of it. We were given a test, both written and oral. Not enough minorities passed, so they gave everyone 5 points. Now they had enough to make a list. Then they took minorities off the bottom of the list and promoted them over non minorities. These minorities never passed the test in the first place. And you call that fair ? I was in the business of saving lives and putting out the fires that YOU started. Affirmative action bit me in the azz. I never judged a person by the color of his skin, only if you could do the job.

 

[Tattered Old Graywolf]

"How do we change those actions ," asks Tattered Old Graywolf. I know nothing about the USA, but I do know about a survey done in Holland regarding the ideal size of conurbations. Below a certain size of town , that cyclist you are just overtaking is likely the son, daughter, wife, grandmother, of SOMEONE YOU KNOW. In a big city, it is not quite the same. People in a small town polish each other like pebbles in a bag.
People in a big city are rats in a sack. If you want people to care about each other´s welfare (which is covid´s big lesson for us ) they need pleasant surroundings and a bit of space. Especially now that "geography is history."

Yeah, crowded rats become cannibalistic. That's one solution to overpopulation I guess.

There is always pathology in the populous, but one study that I found provocative found that nature and nurture were about equal in influence, but the predominance of the nurture wasn't the parents, but the children's peers, because that is who they are trying to fit in with after a certain age. Most of the current gun violence in Portland is gang related, where the peers are criminals.

Studies also show that gangs and criminal activity are more prevalent among the impoverished, than the rest of the population, regardless of race. It also shows that single head of household females are frequently impoverished and on public assistance. Two parent households were on average less impoverished, suggesting that the odds of criminal activity increase in single parent households.

Most of the crime is by males and who boys pick as peers depends on the child's self image and sense of values. A strong father figure with good moral values, improve the odds that the peers children pick are more aligned with those values.

Having been divorced, I am acutely aware that sometimes two people can't live under the same roof, so at best the father can only stay in the children's lives and support them financially.

One solution to consider, is that rather than affirmative action just providing welfare to the single parent households, how about we require mothers on welfare to reveal the father and criminally prosecute absentee fathers who don't support their children?

Another might be to provide free vasectomies' to men about town wishing to continue indiscriminately breeding but not broadcast any seeds they are unable to support if successful.

Morning OFC. Good post GW. If you believe you are oppressed you are. Free your mind ....your ass will follow.

Believing is seeing.

Good morning my old fart brethren, how ya'll doin' today. Great discussion on several subjects. Speaking as a person who got passed over and hurt by affirmative action at my workplace., I am discussed by your support of it. We were given a test, both written and oral. Not enough minorities passed, so they gave everyone 5 points. Now they had enough to make a list. Then they took minorities off the bottom of the list and promoted them over non minorities. These minorities never passed the test in the first place. And you call that fair ? I was in the business of saving lives and putting out the fires that YOU started. Affirmative action bit me in the azz. I never judged a person by the color of his skin, only if you could do the job.

Affirmative action is reverse discrimination with the rationale being that while it isn't fair, it is more equitable. The fleet don't always win the race, nor the strong the battle, but they are the ones to bet your money on in life or death issues. I think putting an unqualified person in over their head to make things equitable serves to tell that person, and the peers whom they work with, that they aren't able to compete on their own merits.

How does that help their self image? How about we train them for a job they can successfully and professionally perform and be proud of? If it falls upon you to sweep streets, then sweep the streets like Michael Angelo painted the Sistine Chapel.

How about apprentice programs so that the first step isn't huge and they learn by doing rather than reading books? I once tutored math and science GED students/inmates at the Multnomah County Jail work release program, only to discover that without exception their underlying learning issue was that they read poorly or had poor reading comprehension.

 

[Pagan]

"Yeah, crowded rats become cannibalistic."
Couldn´t agree more.
Crowded humans predate on each other.
Meanwhile up on the mountain ...
My friend´s trailer home burnt down one day.
He lost everything except his friends.
People on the mountain rallied round, crowd funded for a new caravan, and sheltered him ´til it was all sorted.
This wasn´t charity, it was people saying "Hombré, you´re a well-loved and valuable member of our community, we care about you and we need you".
People lose their intrinsic value in an industrial society, now that we live largely in the ashes of an industrial society we need to

THE REST OF THIS POST IS UNFORGIVABLY POLITICAL AND HAS BEEN SHOVED WHERE THE SUN SHINETH NOT.
God save the King !

 

[Tattered Old Graywolf]

"Yeah, crowded rats become cannibalistic."
Couldn´t agree more.
Crowded humans predate on each other.
Meanwhile up on the mountain ...
My friend´s trailer home burnt down one day.
He lost everything except his friends.
People on the mountain rallied round, crowd funded for a new caravan, and sheltered him ´til it was all sorted.
This wasn´t charity, it was people saying "Hombré, you´re a well-loved and valuable member of our community, we care about you and we need you".
People lose their intrinsic value in an industrial society, now that we live largely in the ashes of an industrial society we need to

THE REST OF THIS POST IS UNFORGIVABLY POLITICAL AND HAS BEEN SHOVED WHERE THE SUN SHINETH NOT.
God save the King !

We did a similar thing when one of our friends broke his neck and became a quad, but that had more to do with who his friends/peers were than whether it was rural or industrial. Some of us take care of our own.

As for your sunshine deprived location, I trust it will provide some illumination there.

 

[Pagan]

As for your sunshine deprived location, I trust it will provide some illumination there.

For something to be funny, you need to paint a picture in the reader´s mind.
I think you nailed it there ...

Though my feeling is, that the soil determines what grows there - if metaphors are considered useful.
Fortunately, homo Sapiens are weeds.

 

[pute]

Morning OFC. Summer riots are srarting up again..... another summer of love where our cities are burnt down and nobody does anything to stop it. It's ok though we will pass another stimulus package to rebuild everything at the taxpayers expense.

Wonder what is gonna happen when those business owners no longer pay taxes because their business was destroyed or vandalized.....where is the stimulus $$$ gonna come from then.....

 

[Tattered Old Graywolf]

Morning OFC. Summer riots are srarting up again..... another summer of love where our cities are burnt down and nobody does anything to stop it. It's ok though we will pass another stimulus package to rebuild everything at the taxpayers expense. Wonder what is gonna happy when those business owners no longer pay taxes because their business was destroyed or vandalized.....where is the stimulus $$$ gonna come from then.....

They are already taking the money from us without taxes simply by printing money without adding collateral. It devalues the dollar, and inflates the cost of living, while decreasing the value of our savings.

The riots aren't the same as crime to support one's self and aren't disproportionately populated by poor folks trying to survive. They differ from demonstrations in that they include violence by folks trying to divide us by race and economic class, rather than seek an equitable solution.

Our weak feckless leadership applauded them and egged them on when they were trying to overthrow the previous regime, but now they are stuck with dealing with it themselves. Time for them to show us how to pick up a fresh stool from the clean end or start enforcing existing laws.

 

[ROSTERMAN]

They are already taking the money from us without taxes simply by printing money without adding collateral. It devalues the dollar, and inflates the cost of living, while decreasing the value of our savings.

The riots aren't the same as crime to support one's self and aren't disproportionately populated by poor folks trying to survive. They differ from demonstrations in that they include violence by folks trying to divide us by race and economic class, rather than seek an equitable solution.

Our weak feckless leadership applauded them and egged them on when they were trying to overthrow the previous regime, but now they are stuck with dealing with it themselves. Time for them to show us how to pick up a fresh stool from the clean end or start enforcing existing laws.

They are already blaming " the old people on SS" they are calling us GREEDY , imagine that
Paying into a system all our lives so we too could have a little retirement money to fall back on and survive in the last days of our lives,
They want to use our Money to share the wealth
I say Bulldunk, Get OFF YOUR BUTTS YA LAZY BASSTARDS and Pay your own way for once. PERIOD!!!!!!~

 

[Tattered Old Graywolf]

For something to be funny, you need to paint a picture in the reader´s mind. I think you nailed it there ...
Though my feeling is, that the soil determines what grows there - if metaphors are considered useful. Fortunately, homo Sapiens are weeds.

Also demonstrating different views can be handled obliquely. Walking around the elephant I can see how your perspective in Spain might be different the US, where we have multiple perspectives of our own on the same subject.

We all have our gifts and weaknesses. You can't make chicken salad out of chicken manure, but it does a better job as a fertilizer than chicken salad.

For best yields, a good garden has good soil, viable seeds, water, and regular hoeing to preserve the space for the seedlings to flourish in, or they may be choked out by hardier unprincipled weeds.

 

[user 60606]

I signed papers yesterday allowing for a lump sum minus 20% (penalty taxes) from a government retirement package instead of monthly installment payments, .. it's substantial .. I'm receiving my monthly SS already and if they put a proposal out there that I can opt out and receive a lump sum from them then I will do that too ..

Our compound is up for sale too so I'm putting $1K in a san francisco examiner classifieds real estate advertisement ... P.T. Barnum said it so eloquently with 'a sucker born every minute'

 

[Tattered Old Graywolf]

They are already blaming " the old people on SS" they are calling us GREEDY , imagine that
Paying into a system all our lives so we too could have a little retirement money to fall back on and survive in the last days of our lives, They want to use our Money to share the wealth I say Bulldunk, Get OFF YOUR BUTTS YA LAZY BASSTARDS and Pay your own way for once. PERIOD!!!!!!~

When looking for gold, you have to go where the gold is and the aging population does on average have more wealth than the current generations. Before declaring war, we always vilify our opponent, so that our egregious actions seem more reasonable.

The ship has already sailed on what we paid into the program as it was moved to the general fund and Social Security pays not just us folks who paid into it all their lives, but SSI is where the money comes from for those welfare programs supporting folks who didn't.

 

[user 60606]

Well, here's to Freedom .. Cheers


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[user 60570]

They are already taking the money from us without taxes simply by printing money without adding collateral. It devalues the dollar, and inflates the cost of living, while decreasing the value of our savings.

quoted for truth

inflation , or printing more money , quantitative easing , whatever one wants to call it , it is a hidden added TAX that none of us ever voted on

 

[yooper420]

In my so called "golden years", all that's golden is my piss.