Is there a way to test Cal-Mag levels?

[icthruyou]

So everything I've read says upturned leaf-tips indicates light burn or Calmag deficiency ("praying for mag") and I'm assuming the way to differentiate is light burn is top - down on plant with worst at top and easing as you go down. Does a Calmag issue present evenly throughout the plant (all leaves curled top and bottom of plant)?

I guess my real question is do you have a method for testing Cal/Mag levels?

Please and thank you

 

[greenmobster440]

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[icthruyou]

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I don't know what you mean. The up-curl is on the Gelato and happened two weeks back. I did have it too close to the canopy. The LSD was only slightly affected then. It's actually part of the reason I got the second setup, two different needs and timelines I knew it could only help. Especially during the few yet important transition periods this plant has. Making a plant soldier through 18/6 into flower is like keeping someone up past their bedtime while watching them fall asleep in front of you. So I decided to buy another bedroom so flowering will never be compromised upon its start. Seems like kneecapping the bud building cycle's start.

Mind you I have no clue what I'm talking about. Just trying to think like the plant relative to environment.

I sat there in front of my LSD that's almost at chop-time and there are still tons of new/ newish triches. It's bad enough I'm actually terrified I'm going to fuck this lady up, now it seems there is a raging internal debate on when she will be ready. I had a few foxtails that actually became just fatter overall buds.....I think. They started with a knot-like sprout followed by a bunch more then they evened out resulting in fatter top colas. Still a bunch of clear and cloudy triches but only the very top of each bud shows any amber (excepting pistils which are now 60/40 total amber/white)

And when I say I'm terrified what I mean is I'm hesitant to cut her and once done I'm fearing the dry/cure. It's that "holy shit, I don't know jack about plants" and that just slapped me right across the face. In that I've always been an uncle way......I won't break your kids but I might scratch them on accident. I am probably not making much sense but I've gained so much respect for this process and all that's involved to appear this close to the finish has me nervous.

Know anyplace where the chop, dry and cure are written as you do it? Or anything close to it?

Thanks for the time..........

 

[MariJan]

I don't know what you mean. The up-curl is on the Gelato and happened two weeks back. I did have it too close to the canopy. The LSD was only slightly affected then. It's actually part of the reason I got the second setup, two different needs and timelines I knew it could only help. Especially during the few yet important transition periods this plant has. Making a plant soldier through 18/6 into flower is like keeping someone up past their bedtime while watching them fall asleep in front of you. So I decided to buy another bedroom so flowering will never be compromised upon its start. Seems like kneecapping the bud building cycle's start.

Mind you I have no clue what I'm talking about. Just trying to think like the plant relative to environment.

I sat there in front of my LSD that's almost at chop-time and there are still tons of new/ newish triches. It's bad enough I'm actually terrified I'm going to fuck this lady up, now it seems there is a raging internal debate on when she will be ready. I had a few foxtails that actually became just fatter overall buds.....I think. They started with a knot-like sprout followed by a bunch more then they evened out resulting in fatter top colas. Still a bunch of clear and cloudy triches but only the very top of each bud shows any amber (excepting pistils which are now 60/40 total amber/white)

And when I say I'm terrified what I mean is I'm hesitant to cut her and once done I'm fearing the dry/cure. It's that "holy shit, I don't know jack about plants" and that just slapped me right across the face. In that I've always been an uncle way......I won't break your kids but I might scratch them on accident. I am probably not making much sense but I've gained so much respect for this process and all that's involved to appear this close to the finish has me nervous.

Know anyplace where the chop, dry and cure are written as you do it? Or anything close to it?

Thanks for the time..........

Some threads show chop wash dry cure. Maybe my first year aug or Sept 2023. Not everyone wadhes. I do especially if I had to use a pesticide like neem oil or DE or if they were outside. I live in sand capital especially if we get wind in dry weather. We get a dust cast not a forecast. Yesterday was a great example it was so windy and had been so dry that the sky was literally brown from dust. I have to wash outside bud. Its controversial for sure. I tried it with one plant, when I first started reading about it. I already had pulled one with out washing of same strain. They were day and night. I never looked back. The potency was the same in washed and unwashed bud. The taste night and day. The taste was clean you could taster all the good stuff. Of course you have to wait for a proper cure. I like a 2 month cure its the best flavor for me. I don't even like to sample my weed now for 2 months. I use grove bags. I hate burping. Glass jars take so much room and when they are first cured you have to burp them every day at first then every few days then once a week. With grove bags I just check them in a few days in to be sure I properly dried them. If they feel dampish at all I put them back on my rack to dry s bit more. Some use the bodiva packs I don't. The bags are supposed to keep them at correct humidity between 58%-62% I believe in them. They are easier for me. Also cheaper than the jars. You have to do what best for you. Try both ways see what you like. You work very hard to get the weed just right. It really is preference after the plant is ready to be chopped. There are a lot of grow journals that go into details about the process.

 

[MariJan]

The buds were so sticky they are now briwn from sand. Not pretty and white like they were. I will get pics in a bit its still dark right now. Today will barely get out of the 50s

 

[greenmobster440]

I don't know what you mean. The up-curl is on the Gelato and happened two weeks back. I did have it too close to the canopy. The LSD was only slightly affected then. It's actually part of the reason I got the second setup, two different needs and timelines I knew it could only help. Especially during the few yet important transition periods this plant has. Making a plant soldier through 18/6 into flower is like keeping someone up past their bedtime while watching them fall asleep in front of you. So I decided to buy another bedroom so flowering will never be compromised upon its start. Seems like kneecapping the bud building cycle's start.

Mind you I have no clue what I'm talking about. Just trying to think like the plant relative to environment.

I sat there in front of my LSD that's almost at chop-time and there are still tons of new/ newish triches. It's bad enough I'm actually terrified I'm going to fuck this lady up, now it seems there is a raging internal debate on when she will be ready. I had a few foxtails that actually became just fatter overall buds.....I think. They started with a knot-like sprout followed by a bunch more then they evened out resulting in fatter top colas. Still a bunch of clear and cloudy triches but only the very top of each bud shows any amber (excepting pistils which are now 60/40 total amber/white)

And when I say I'm terrified what I mean is I'm hesitant to cut her and once done I'm fearing the dry/cure. It's that "holy shit, I don't know jack about plants" and that just slapped me right across the face. In that I've always been an uncle way......I won't break your kids but I might scratch them on accident. I am probably not making much sense but I've gained so much respect for this process and all that's involved to appear this close to the finish has me nervous.

Know anyplace where the chop, dry and cure are written as you do it? Or anything close to it?

Thanks for the time..........

I had no message. I posted on the wrong thread. I'ma stoner and often put things in the wrong place and forget..lol

Dude, let's see some pics. Usually a photo plant is getting close or ripe near 70days of 12/12. Autos are more close to 80-100total days.

If the bud is still kicking hairs it's prob still growing. Usually they start to die back a bit near harvest. All cloudy w a sprinkle of amber is what I shoot for.

Harvest time is kinda stressful. Ya don't want fuck it up but that window of harvest stays open for a few weeks.

Pics?

 

[MariJan]

I don't know what you mean. The up-curl is on the Gelato and happened two weeks back. I did have it too close to the canopy. The LSD was only slightly affected then. It's actually part of the reason I got the second setup, two different needs and timelines I knew it could only help. Especially during the few yet important transition periods this plant has. Making a plant soldier through 18/6 into flower is like keeping someone up past their bedtime while watching them fall asleep in front of you. So I decided to buy another bedroom so flowering will never be compromised upon its start. Seems like kneecapping the bud building cycle's start.

Mind you I have no clue what I'm talking about. Just trying to think like the plant relative to environment.

I sat there in front of my LSD that's almost at chop-time and there are still tons of new/ newish triches. It's bad enough I'm actually terrified I'm going to fuck this lady up, now it seems there is a raging internal debate on when she will be ready. I had a few foxtails that actually became just fatter overall buds.....I think. They started with a knot-like sprout followed by a bunch more then they evened out resulting in fatter top colas. Still a bunch of clear and cloudy triches but only the very top of each bud shows any amber (excepting pistils which are now 60/40 total amber/white)

And when I say I'm terrified what I mean is I'm hesitant to cut her and once done I'm fearing the dry/cure. It's that "holy shit, I don't know jack about plants" and that just slapped me right across the face. In that I've always been an uncle way......I won't break your kids but I might scratch them on accident. I am probably not making much sense but I've gained so much respect for this process and all that's involved to appear this close to the finish has me nervous.

Know anyplace where the chop, dry and cure are written as you do it? Or anything close to it?

Thanks for the time..........

https://www.marijuanapassion.com/threads/harvest-time.82636/ Here is one there are many search at the top harvest or curing or drying there are many threads like the one I just gave you

 

[icthruyou]

https://www.marijuanapassion.com/threads/harvest-time.82636/ Here is one there are many search at the top harvest or curing or drying there are many threads like the one I just gave you

Thanks for the response and link. Exactly what I was looking for.......I knew you'd have a reference or a close proximity.

That's pretty wild about hosing off. That what I hated about California (I lived in LA for two years, was there for 1999-2000 New Year) and that was the one thing I hated about LA, no rain. No seasons to speak of. When it did rain, your house fell off the side of a hill). Great for outdoor growing though. I like seasons. I need shit to die and come back before I check the year off. I felt totally disconnected there. Met some great people though. Surprising though it seems, some of the best people I know I met there.

Anyway - that totally makes sense though about the rinse. I mean they do live in rainy, humid areas right? Tantamount to taking a shower before hanging them up? I can't imagine NM being less arid than LA. I'm sure it's the opposite. It's probably a dustbowl compared to ocean-side LA. So your plants literally have a maximum transpiration rate due to the desert-like conditions, am I correct? Do genetics matter (outside of Sativa/Indica) when it comes to that? I would guess that's a big yes.

I got my order of Bodiva pouches and two different types of bags. Already read up on jar vs. bags and that one's a no-brainer. Also got Mykos and Jack's Classic and Bloom. Getting things together for the 5 that just popped. Sorry for the novel......I appreciate the time. Most of my inquiries are as much interest as anything. I certainly don't expect you to answer all my questions.......I will search so answer as you like/ have time, it's always appreciated.

 

[icthruyou]

I had no message. I posted on the wrong thread. I'ma stoner and often put things in the wrong place and forget..lol

Dude, let's see some pics. Usually a photo plant is getting close or ripe near 70days of 12/12. Autos are more close to 80-100total days.

If the bud is still kicking hairs it's prob still growing. Usually they start to die back a bit near harvest. All cloudy w a sprinkle of amber is what I shoot for.

Harvest time is kinda stressful. Ya don't want fuck it up but that window of harvest stays open for a few weeks.

Pics?

Sorry but that's hilarious. You had me going what in the hell does that mean.......I am truly lost. Thanks for the clarification and I'll check with the picture fairy. Triches are hard without a macro lens. I actually used to shoot film as a hobby and went digital SLR a long time ago. It's amazing what a phone can do just as well as some of the best, most expensive digital equipment was doing 8 or 10 years ago. I can't quite get the detail I KNOW I CAN with my SLR setup and a macro lens. I just don't have a macro anymore. I avoid the Photography section like the plague in forums. Not looking for any inspiration to have an interesting subject again.

Not to mention it's my first grow ever and frankly I look like an abusive boyfriend. We've incurred a few bumps along the road and about the onlything pretty on this plant is the buds. I can't tell the end-of-life-cycle dying from the boyfriend-induced nute-burn or the light-burn. I didn't know the consequences of letting the plant go natural (I thought it wise to see what she would do without intervention, like nature intended). A baseline I guess. Well lower buds are an issue with light and have kinda held-off finishing. So the only thing that I've managed to do is learn how I WON'T be treating the next. In fact, way ahead as there are 2 LSD's, one with 8 topcolas and stacking up flower nicely. I'll get pics of that too.

Thanks again for the help.

 

[Hippie420]

It's a learning curve for sure.

 

[icthruyou]

I had no message. I posted on the wrong thread. I'ma stoner and often put things in the wrong place and forget..lol

Dude, let's see some pics. Usually a photo plant is getting close or ripe near 70days of 12/12. Autos are more close to 80-100total days.

If the bud is still kicking hairs it's prob still growing. Usually they start to die back a bit near harvest. All cloudy w a sprinkle of amber is what I shoot for.

Harvest time is kinda stressful. Ya don't want fuck it up but that window of harvest stays open for a few weeks.

Pics?

Alright I got some pics. There are buds, triches and whole plant photos.

 

[icthruyou]

Okay now these two pics are of the same exact seeds just 4 weeks behind. (mid-December). Topped twice. I think I'm having an N issue. I'm off the Canna on the 2 LSDs that are flowering now. Just doing RO/DI at 7 for the next watering, probably two. The next feeding will be Jack's.

Hopefully I can get her back on track. I'm unsure about the purple in the leaves. From the other LSDs I've seen this can happen naturally or it may be my fault on the nutes. I think using jacks will be helpful too. She's still stacking up and fattening up too.

It's hard to believe that these ladies came from the same seed shipment as the one I'm about to harvest. Well at least my first "let it grow natural" plant looks like it will be a good result, I'm just shocked at what the difference is going to be between them. I can't wait to see these 8, should be nice. Hopefully not jinxing myself.

Thanks for the time.

 

[MariJan]

Thanks for the response and link. Exactly what I was looking for.......I knew you'd have a reference or a close proximity.

That's pretty wild about hosing off. That what I hated about California (I lived in LA for two years, was there for 1999-2000 New Year) and that was the one thing I hated about LA, no rain. No seasons to speak of. When it did rain, your house fell off the side of a hill). Great for outdoor growing though. I like seasons. I need shit to die and come back before I check the year off. I felt totally disconnected there. Met some great people though. Surprising though it seems, some of the best people I know I met there.

Anyway - that totally makes sense though about the rinse. I mean they do live in rainy, humid areas right? Tantamount to taking a shower before hanging them up? I can't imagine NM being less arid than LA. I'm sure it's the opposite. It's probably a dustbowl compared to ocean-side LA. So your plants literally have a maximum transpiration rate due to the desert-like conditions, am I correct? Do genetics matter (outside of Sativa/Indica) when it comes to that? I would guess that's a big yes.

I got my order of Bodiva pouches and two different types of bags. Already read up on jar vs. bags and that one's a no-brainer. Also got Mykos and Jack's Classic and Bloom. Getting things together for the 5 that just popped. Sorry for the novel......I appreciate the time. Most of my inquiries are as much interest as anything. I certainly don't expect you to answer all my questions.......I will search so answer as you like/ have time, it's always appreciated.

Ask anything about growing you want someone will answer if they can or at least point you in the right direction. We really don’t mind helping others. There are some if the best growers here, on thus forum.

 

[greenmobster440]

That top plant is still growing. Looks great. I'd take a sample and let it dry a few days or so a quick dry in the microwave. 10second burst on a paper towel. Allow it to cool a little between bursts and move it around the paper.

The second batch??? They are starving and it's showing in the plant structure, leaf and bud. Your not going to repair the damage. At this point just feed the bud and drag it to harvest. If ya got jacks I'd start with 1/2tsp a gal.

Overall your doing fine but ya gotta feed them till about the last week.

 

[icthruyou]

Thank you so much. I've been scared to death to nute burn the second group. I'm doing Jack's now but the Bloom is all I've got; which should be correct right? I don't get my 20-20-20 till the 19th. I'm in Flower but just barely. They are actually just 3 to 4 weeks behind my mature one.

As for that fine lady it occurred to me this morning that I should just take the top colas that are definitely amber/cloudy and shading the lower buds with triches and pistils that are still white. Expose those for a few more days. I was done with the nutes for that plant and was switched to just RO/DI 7.0 H2O on her. After I cut the big top stuff shading the lower, will the plant continue with the bottom or will the shock do damage (I'm not trying to make a Hermie)? Should I feed the topped plant or stick with just water?

I am leaving this here but if you should not have time to get back I will post the question in the BG Thread. Just a heads up in case you see it there and wonder why, it's a big move to chop the top while trying to keep alive the beheaded plant.....it may not be a good idea. I just know I went through and cleared out the fan leaves in-whole from the top along with trimming back sugars that were necrotic on the ends. It opened up the lower section to light and she greened up a bit and the lower leaves looked overall healthier. I know airflow helped her too. I just want to be sure on top and keep alive or chop it all. It should be fine to top, I just fear inducing a hermaphrodite

Once again, thanks for the help and heard on the second group. I'm sure a feeding or 2 of the 20-20-20- when it arrives wouldn't hurt them, but that's not for a few days anyway. Thanks again.

 

[greenmobster440]

Thank you so much. I've been scared to death to nute burn the second group. I'm doing Jack's now but the Bloom is all I've got; which should be correct right? I don't get my 20-20-20 till the 19th. I'm in Flower but just barely. They are actually just 3 to 4 weeks behind my mature one.

As for that fine lady it occurred to me this morning that I should just take the top colas that are definitely amber/cloudy and shading the lower buds with triches and pistils that are still white. Expose those for a few more days. I was done with the nutes for that plant and was switched to just RO/DI 7.0 H2O on her. After I cut the big top stuff shading the lower, will the plant continue with the bottom or will the shock do damage (I'm not trying to make a Hermie)? Should I feed the topped plant or stick with just water?

I am leaving this here but if you should not have time to get back I will post the question in the BG Thread. Just a heads up in case you see it there and wonder why, it's a big move to chop the top while trying to keep alive the beheaded plant.....it may not be a good idea. I just know I went through and cleared out the fan leaves in-whole from the top along with trimming back sugars that were necrotic on the ends. It opened up the lower section to light and she greened up a bit and the lower leaves looked overall healthier. I know airflow helped her too. I just want to be sure on top and keep alive or chop it all. It should be fine to top, I just fear inducing a hermaphrodite

Once again, thanks for the help and heard on the second group. I'm sure a feeding or 2 of the 20-20-20- when it arrives wouldn't hurt them, but that's not for a few days anyway. Thanks again.

Taking the top mature buds is fine. The lowers will continue to grow without harming the plant. It actually an excellent way to harvest a plant.

The Jack's is some pretty good stuff but it needs a little help now n then. Bloom has no calcium support so pick up a good calmag formula or some calcium nitrate. Ya also need some Epsom salts.

Check out the Jacks thread here on MP. Good info in there.

It doesn't really matter what nutrient ya use. Ya just have to find the correct dose and stick with it.

Seedlings..1/8tsp 202020
Veg.. 1/4tsp 202020, calnit, Epsom
Flower.. 1/4-1/2tsp bloom, 1/4calmit, 1/4epsom
I feed them with every watering. If they need water..they get Jack's.
I use tap water. I trust the promix to buffer my ph..and it does. So no metering is needed.
My feeding schedule changes slightly if I find a plant with high or lower needs. So ya adjust as needed.

I'd say your doing fine. Ya just need a grip on the feeding thing to get the most out of your plants. Each crop will get easier and more rewarding. I like seeing new growers succeed. Believe it or not your help me by me helping you. Keeps things fresh in my mind..so thank you.

 

[Triple Sec]

Taking the top mature buds is fine. The lowers will continue to grow without harming the plant. It actually an excellent way to harvest a plant.

I do that nearly every single inside plant. I end up with some beautiful popcorn and and another round of medium sized buds. Usually getting another 1-1.5ozs.

Finishing up my Blue Dream "wild child" today. Bud structure on this gal has been goofy since day one and its been more labor intensive than all the others ive grown.

 

[greenmobster440]

I do that nearly every single inside plant. I end up with some beautiful popcorn and and another round of medium sized buds. Usually getting another 1-1.5ozs.

Finishing up my Blue Dream "wild child" today. Bud structure on this gal has been goofy since day one and its been more labor intensive than all the others ive grown.

Yeah them buds down below don't get much love. The deeper ya can get light penetration the better. A slow harvest top to bottom is a good idea. We all know tops ripen first.

I try to train plants outward with floater screens so that center growth...the stuff usually in the dark below..gets full light the whole way. Doing it this way the whole canopy gets ripe at the same time.

 

[Triple Sec]

I try to train plants outward with floater screens so that center growth...the stuff usually in the dark below..gets full light the whole way. Doing it this way the whole canopy gets ripe at the same time.

I do that with a trellis. Just bend the mains over and outward. Tying them to the trellis with coated wire. This plant though has just been an odd ball from the start. Tons of single leaves and lots of low popcorn. I think the clone was taken late in flower and never quite got back to "just vegging".

I think some is very stain dependent too. No comparison in bud density/structure to my best/easiest producers. Lav Jones, Permanent Marker and Apple Fritter all cranked out the large dense buds for all 3 of us.

 

[MariJan]

Yeah them buds down below don't get much love. The deeper ya can get light penetration the better. A slow harvest top to bottom is a good idea. We all know tops ripen first.

I try to train plants outward with floater screens so that center growth...the stuff usually in the dark below..gets full light the whole way. Doing it this way the whole canopy gets ripe at the same time.

Nice I gotta try it sometime