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@Voice, I totally understand regarding a job search. Ya gotta do what ya gotta do. I have never taken unemployment. Couple of times in my life I had to temporally take a giant step back just to keep food on the table. Eventually a good paying job came my way. My last job lasted 25 years and I retired at 60.

This is the land of opportunity for all. If you bust your ass and commit yourself you will do better in this country that almost any other. NO matter what skin color you are wearing hard work pays off and good people are very hard to find. As a business owner I know. Doesn't matter to me as long as you produce I needed you. 10% of us are over producers and 90% do just enough to get by.
 
Totally agree Pute. I owned my own business for over 27 yrs before i shut the doors. I make pretty good money as a PM and i know i have a check coming every week. Course i have worked for this Company almost 28 yrs. Most of those yrs as a Sub Contractor and now as a PM. My house and cars are paid for. No other Country even come close to America. Why the fk do you think we have such a problem at the border. As for skin color im sick of hearing about it. There are Millions of good Black ppl making a hell of a lot more money then my White ass. And i dont know shit about slavery. Never met a slave nor anybody that has owned slaves. My ppl were poor dirt farmers and ranchers that worked their ass off and didnt have any help from slaves nor did they want it.
If you cant find a job in these day and times you dont want one.
 
Bottom line is ...... I am to proud to not take a gov't handout. I have had jobs that would make a Billy Goat puke. There is help wanted signs on every store I walk into and yet unemployment has been rising since Jan 20th. What the farg is wrong with this country.
 
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Bottom line is ...... I am to proud not to take a gov't handout. I have had jobs that would make a Billy Goat puke. There is help wanted signs on every store I walk into and yet unemployment has been rising since Jan 20th. What the farg is wrong with this country.
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Bunch of lazy a mother fkers that don't wanna work. Pretty simple.
I have never been on unemployment. I worked some real shitty jobs to pay my bills though. That's what a man does. Government shuts this bullshit down and they will work or starve. Plenty work everywhere. So if your going hungry and are not disabled,, you area lazy piece of shit.
 
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Yeah… but if I had a job making 80k and lost it… I’m tryna finda a job that’s equal pay or close… and that takes time. From my work history I’m considered “unemployable” bc the past make me unadaptable to the future. Imagine that. People make their choices. Like I said. It’s easy to judge. And thanks about my brother but he’s deceased… prob got the best deal of us all.
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Equal pay for equal abilities is fair and how it should be. What talents are you selling and what image are you presenting to prospective employers?

My "white" ancestors arrived in America as indentured servants to pay for their passage and as poor white trash they interbred with a Nigerian slave, an East Asian, and a Native American along the way. My father was the generation that elevated us from poor white trash to middle class and my generation that put us in the top 10% of the nation with regard to income.

I got my start shoveling shit, hoeing vegetable crops, picking cotton, mowing lawns, hauling hay, and tending livestock for neighbors.

I left home at age 18 with the clothes on my back to fulfil my military service requirement and have supported myself every since, including obtaining and paying for my schooling while working full time at menial jobs. Even after I became an engineer, the cold hard winds blew several times during economic downturns over my career and I had to take lesser jobs to support myself and my family. I never missed a payment, or declared bankruptcy, but I have drawn unemployment twice while searching.

I got everything I needed to be successful by simply doing my part here in the US of A, as hard as it was at times. I have no prejudice against blacks and in my life I have worked with blacks, for blacks, employed blacks, and have rented to blacks, as well as dated a black woman. I've also participated in multiple Affirmative Action programs by which we bent over backwards to bring minorities into the workforce. We gave the job to a black person without the training, credentials, or experience, instead of qualified non minority applicants, and did everything we could to insure their success.

We were more successful with some than others, because like any race we have our intellectual and moral giants as well as the morally deficit and mentally challenged, but from my perspective one of the key factors determining how people are treated is their actions and their attitude. It is easy to blame others and the system for our own failures and conveniently avoids confronting our own short comings and the part we need to do to succeed. Without fail, those who failed in the Affirmative Action program blamed racism and others, even in the face of overwhelming records of their shortfalls and egregious conduct to the contrary.

I've observed light years of progress from the early 60's when there were still three toilets and two water fountains some places in the south, but continue to be dismayed by the FBI violent crime statistics. They show that blacks are about 13% of the US population, and despite there also being more that 13% poor white trash, black brothers perpetrate more than 50% of the violent crime, with a disproportionate amount against blacks. The statistics also show that the number of black fathers in residence supporting their families continues to plummet.

How do we change those actions? Are they a response to systemic racial prejudice or to the lack of a father at home with a positive attitude, demonstrating what it takes to succeed.
 
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Equal pay for equal abilities is fair and how it should be. What talents are you selling and what image are you presenting to prospective employers?

My "white" ancestors arrived in America as indentured servants to pay for their passage and as poor white trash they interbred with a Nigerian slave and an Native American along the way. My father was the generation that elevated us from poor white trash to middle class and my generation that put us in the top 10% of the nation with regard to income.

I got my start shoveling shit, hoeing vegetable crops, picking cotton, mowing lawns, hauling hay, and tending livestock for neighbors.

I left home at age 18 with the clothes on my back to fulfil my military service requirement and have supported myself every since, including obtaining and paying for my schooling while working full time at menial jobs. Even after I became an engineer, the cold hard winds blew several times during economic downturns over my career and I had to take lesser jobs to support myself and my family. I never missed a payment, or declared bankruptcy, but I have drawn unemployment twice while searching.

I got everything I needed to be successful by simply doing my part here in the US of A, as hard as it was at times. I have no prejudice against blacks and in my life I have worked with blacks, for blacks, employed blacks, and have rented to blacks, as well as dated a black woman. I've also participated in multiple Affirmative Action programs by which we bent over backwards to bring minorities into the workforce. We gave the job to a black person without the training, credentials, or experience, instead of qualified non minority applicants, and did everything we could to insure their success.

We were more successful with some than others, because like any race we have our intellectual and moral giants as well as the morally deficit and mentally challenged, but from my perspective one of the key factors determining how people are treated is their actions and their attitude. It is easy to blame others and the system for our own failures and conveniently avoids confronting our own short comings and the part we need to do to succeed. Without fail, those who failed in the Affirmative Action program blamed racism and others, even in the face of overwhelming records of their shortfalls and egregious conduct to the contrary.

I've observed light years of progress from the early 60's when there were still three toilets and two water fountains some places in the south, but continue to be dismayed by the FBI violent crime statistics. They show that blacks are about 13% of the US population, and despite there also being more that 13% poor white trash, black brothers perpetrate more than 50% of the violent crime, with a disproportionate amount against blacks. The statistics also show that the number of black fathers in residence supporting their families continues to plummet.

How do we change those actions? Are they a response to systemic racial prejudice or to the lack of a father at home with a positive attitude, demonstrating what it takes to succeed.
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Par Excellent post Sir
 
"How do we change those actions ," asks Tattered Old Graywolf.
I know nothing about the USA, but I do know about a survey done in Holland regarding the ideal size of conurbations.
Below a certain size of town , that cyclist you are just overtaking is likely the son, daughter, wife, grandmother, of SOMEONE YOU KNOW. In a big city, it is not quite the same.
People in a small town polish each other like pebbles in a bag.
People in a big city are rats in a sack.
If you want people to care about each other´s welfare (which is covid´s big lesson for us ) they need pleasant surroundings and a bit of space.
Especially now that "geography is history."
 
Morning OFC. Good post GW. If you believe you are oppressed you are. Free your mind ....your ass will follow.

@ Possum, I am 70 as well but we always allow youngsters in. Welcome!

@ Pagan, I hate going into the city. Denver used to be a wonderful city but it has changed over the years. Not a complete shit hole like some larger cities but headed that way fast.

Trimming today.
 
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you guys have great and honorable histories that shows personas willing to cover a brother's 6, and I respect those qualities. I will always have inner strength to protect the 6s of those that carry honor and truth on their shoulders ..

There has been an enormous amount of inbound activity at Gitmo,, not from the middle east but from America ..


Speaking of Denver, Pute did you know that Nimrod's body was recovered from his grave in Iraq around '07 and sent to the Denver Airport's DARPA's 10 story underground complex .. the question is why




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@ patwi....I have heard a lot about that underground complex. Word around the campfire is it is a bunker complex for the elite. People like the Gov and other important dignitaries in case of a national emergency. So, all the elite hobnobs are protected. I wonder why I'm not invited.

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Afternoon. Trimming done. Need to go out and work in the veggie garden now. Beans need propping up and the maters need some pruning.

Hotter than a fire cracker again today. Hot dry wind as well. Perfect conditions for more fires in the mountains above. Cool front coming....can't wait.

I need a fishing fix. Hmmmm.

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