Paranoid stoner question

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First off, its not 1942, its 2008. People's rights have come along way since, especially in enforcing them.

I take me rights seriously, and its my duty to make sure they are respected and enforced. If they arent enforced or respected then i can blame no one for it except myself! Simple as that, you gotta fight for what ya want!

LEO is there to uphold the law, and your rights are written in as part of that law, therefore they have to uphold your rights, its the law! If they fail to uphold your rights, ask for a supervisor, its your right to do so! Every officer i have ever come across hates paper work, and when a supervisor is called or an incident happesn, it involves paperwork.

Also, if you file a complaint against an officer, no matter how petty, it becomes part of their permanent file and cannot be expunged by any agency.

Hey I'm not trying to be mean but I'm not sure that you live in the same USA that I do. I understand what you are saying and in theory it sounds great and is correct but our rights are violated everyday. Also there are thousands of stories about it in the media everyday.

The part I bolded is true once again in theory but tell me you always get afforded your rights? I have been arrested on more than one occasion, never for drugs and never for a felony the usual I drank too much **. And everytime I had my rights violated. Have you ever been arrested or in trouble? I mean no offense but I disagree quite a bit, we have rights and that's what we are taught but do we? Who runs the show the citizens or the authorities?

Have you ever been arrested for MJ possesion or cultivation? Ask for a supervisor if you ever are and I have a feeling no one will care. Do you also realize that most rights are thrown out when it comes to MJ and the legal system. Here's one for you. If you are arrested by the FEDs in a legal MM state and you are legal do you know when you go to trial you can not mention that you are a medical MJ patient. Is that the rights we are talking about? How about immunity? Now do you know about immunity and drug charges? There is none, if a witness testifies and admits to breaking the law in his testimony HE IS NOT GRANTED IMMUNITY. Look into it, if you want I can elaborate in another thread. I have to agree with you that in theory you are right but you do not live in the same USA as me. It's still 1942 only difference is now we have a drug war and some better toys to play with.

The following amendments are null and void and yes they are OUR RIGHTS

The 1st, 4th seizure and search, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th cruel and unusual punishment, 9th, and 10th. Since you know you're rights I have not gone into detail, but please make sure to double check the drug laws and your rights and you will find they have been taken away LEGALLY (in theory). I know we aren't supposed to be political but how many of you know your rights? How many can tell what amendments are what? If you can't YOU DON'T KNOW the drug laws at the federal level. It's worse than 1942 IMO. If you disagree please tell me and I will listen, like I said I mean no offense but I think this would be a good time to really have an open discussion of our rights so people can educate themselves. The drug laws clearly violate the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and somehow we let that happen.

Also the last part I highlighted really has me chuckling, you're right but guess who else get's a record? That's right you and I that's who. So we had our rights violated and we complained but you're still in big trouble.

Our rights are archaeic when it comes to the Drug War seriously.

 

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your rights

also after you read it do some searching on the net and you will see rights violations left and right.

 

[Nova]

My rights are fully enforced whether or not im in cuffs. Yes, my wrists have tasted cold steel, and that is besides the point.

Those of you who say there is no sense in trying to fight for them, they are irrelevent, are the exact people who complain about not having rights and allowing some bogus law that undermines our rights.

I fight for mine and for others! If i see an officer treat someone wrong i intervene, its my job to make sure rights are enforced too, not just the leo's!

FOR THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE!

I have intevened several times and have made several complains in my day. If i file a complaint against an LEO and he cites me for something, that is considered retaliatory, and it will be thrown out!

Ya, like i said, best bet is too keep it low, but dont let a badge push ya around, you have the same rights as he does!

Nova

 

[Fadeux]

My rights are fully enforced whether or not im in cuffs. Yes, my wrists have tasted cold steel, and that is besides the point.

Those of you who say there is no sense in trying to fight for them, they are irrelevent, are the exact people who complain about not having rights and allowing some bogus law that undermines our rights.

I fight for mine and for others! If i see an officer treat someone wrong i intervene, its my job to make sure rights are enforced too, not just the leo's!

FOR THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE!

I have intevened several times and have made several complains in my day. If i file a complaint against an LEO and he cites me for something, that is considered retaliatory, and it will be thrown out!

Ya, like i said, best bet is too keep it low, but dont let a badge push ya around, you have the same rights as he does!

Nova

I dont want to get redundant (too late ) but I just had to add again that you are 100% correct. I mean that. But your rights change when you are breaking laws. Your rights are there to protect your individual liberty, not so you can grow dope without getting busted. I agree with you 100% in theory, but not in practice. Ill leave it at that.

Oh, and you should repost that supervisor thing. I was told that by a deputy friend of mine last year and had no idea about it.

If you don't like the way a cop is behaving towards you, politely (KEY WORD) ask him to call his supervisor. Either he will, and you can go from there, or he will just let you go.


Cheers!

 

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I have to agree. The reality and the way it is supposed to work are two different things and IMO if you think you can report police and if they retaliate you will have charges dropped. I also don't take a back seat and do not have a poor attitude, and I also know my stuff I am no whiner and am not a complainer. I can list every amendment I know drug laws pretty well and I have tried to report my rights being violated in numerous occasions and nothing. I was not saying not to do anything I was actually saying what the reality is and trying to actually help people by saying what I did. If it seems like I have a poor attitude that's fine but you would be sadly mistaken. Truth is if a cop sees anything in your house he can legally charge you end of story technically it's the law but it still is a blatant disregard for our rights. The gov't seizes over 1 billion dollars a year and that is even for people who are eventually sound innocent, who should I report these people too.

And not trying to be mean again but if you interfere while someone else is being policed you will make it worse for them IMO and chances are yourself. i consider myself a doer and not a talker but there is 2 different worlds here like I said earlier...the way things are and the way things should be. The federal gov't was put in place to be policed by the people and it's the other way around now, who do I report them to? I wish I had your outlook but I just don't, I have been arrested before never for drugs but you aren't reporting anyone and if you do they don't care and you may make it worse cause the judges and cops are usually on the same side. Drug Laws are absolutely unconstitutional and deprive you of every right pretty much. You can cry rights all you want but it's not realistic to say we have them as they should be.

 

[Nova]

Here's my concept of MY reality.....

You go good by me, i roll slow by you. You try to take what is mine, and imma make some heads roll.

I just fight for what is mine! My rights are my rights, nobody elses. I cant trust anyone else to defend my rights except me. I make use of what i know to make my life is as easy and worry free. I do what i need to do to preserve that tranquility. Alot of which is just simple non-confrontational situations. However, when flustered will become the biggest pain in the arse. Im just a fighter....cant help it!

Our local LEO are all respectable individuals here, honestly. Treat them right, and they do by you too! Most of the time just admitting your action gets ya off the hook. So i hold other leo's to be the same kind of individuals as we have here. Maybe that sounds too Mayberry'ish, but there are some individuals who have used the power wrong, and were dismissed without report. Usually those individuals show their head within the first year and are quickly rooted out.

Everyone come live with me! haahaa, im just kidding! :hubba: