Noticed the cutting into the stem myself, it was all I could find. I don't plan on tying down too much longer but my next go round will have the pipe cleaners. I dunno why I couldn't find a store with em, but I swear I couldn't. I didn't even think about the air stone, but with the heat and fans blowing over them it evaporates pretty darn fast. I've been putting a tray of ice cubes plus plate every morning and its just about evaporated by nighttime. I figured ice is easier to work with on a plate and a little cool breeze can't hurt with my temps. Got the go ahead today to move the tent into the other room and closet. Room stays MUCH cooler prolly 5-10 degrees and the closet is bigger so I hope the temps will drop a bit more.
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If you still can not find some pipe cleaners look at an arts n crafts store. I had a hard time finding them also. Believe it or not K-mart & wal-mart did not have them--at least the type of pipe cleaner we're looking for. I got some bright yellow so i can tell exactly where its placed and what grows in or around it.
i wish i had pictures on my post but my citrals are bushy and lots of new growth coming. The male citral i got rid of grew lots of lower branches and, what should have been, a long cola. If you looked into cloning i'm pretty sure the Citrals would be a good candidate because of all the lower branching it creates.
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i wish i had pictures on my post but my citrals are bushy and lots of new growth coming. The male citral i got rid of grew lots of lower branches and, what should have been, a long cola. If you looked into cloning i'm pretty sure the Citrals would be a good candidate because of all the lower branching it creates.
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I'm done with LSTing anyways so I just make sure to loosen all the wires so it just easily keeps the plant down without pulling too much. Doesn't look like any real damage. Yeah my kmart and walmart didn't have it either, and I thought they had near everything. Today my bagseed got a little heat damage cause my oscillating fan got stuck off somehow, twisted the leaves on top just a bit, dried out the rest a little more. Still nice and green just a few more brown spots 
. Hope to have the grow moved to other closet by tonight.
. Hope to have the grow moved to other closet by tonight.In other news, went out to check my 2 outdoor plants and they were gone.. 1 still had a little leaf material left at site, other just gone gone:hairpull:. Doesn't hurt me feelings tooooooo bad as I just put em out like a week ago and they were the runty and stressed out of their minds practice plants I had to begin with. However while looking around I started following some other trails and found 2 sativa's that are already out there. So maybe other grower chopped em, i dunno... I'm not too spiteful as they were obviously there first, much better looking than mine. Pretty darn close, within about 200 meters from my plants. Shoulda went around more when I was planting to begin with.
Indoor is still going good. Bagseed got untied yesterday in preparation for flower. Still stayed mostly down where it was, nice thick thick stem I pinched/supercropped? prior to tying down has grown completely sideways. Nice and bushy, you can see new leaf sites starting all over the place at every node. Preflowers all over (stalks I think they're called?) but nothing sexed yet, crossing fingers for a girl as I think it will be some nice stuff. Thinking of cloning for when she turns out as a girlie just to make sure I have. Will definately trying cloning citrals as well.
Citrals going good as well. Seems people still have wildly varying genetics with this strand and I think I'm already seeing some. 2 are very similar to each other, while the one on right is kinda smaller, very much more stretchy. Oh well I guarantee I'll smoke whatever it makes! All have had soil added up to the base of seed leaves for extra support as a just in case. All are on their 3rd node, 1st 5 part leaf growing in. Gonna postpone flowering till next week to give it a little more grow time. Plan on putting into 3 gallon bags as well this weekend. I know its a little early but want to give a few days in new container prior to starting flower.
And of course some green porn for everyone!
Indoor is still going good. Bagseed got untied yesterday in preparation for flower. Still stayed mostly down where it was, nice thick thick stem I pinched/supercropped? prior to tying down has grown completely sideways. Nice and bushy, you can see new leaf sites starting all over the place at every node. Preflowers all over (stalks I think they're called?) but nothing sexed yet, crossing fingers for a girl as I think it will be some nice stuff. Thinking of cloning for when she turns out as a girlie just to make sure I have. Will definately trying cloning citrals as well.
Citrals going good as well. Seems people still have wildly varying genetics with this strand and I think I'm already seeing some. 2 are very similar to each other, while the one on right is kinda smaller, very much more stretchy. Oh well I guarantee I'll smoke whatever it makes! All have had soil added up to the base of seed leaves for extra support as a just in case. All are on their 3rd node, 1st 5 part leaf growing in. Gonna postpone flowering till next week to give it a little more grow time. Plan on putting into 3 gallon bags as well this weekend. I know its a little early but want to give a few days in new container prior to starting flower.
And of course some green porn for everyone!
Transplanted my Citrals into their final home, 3 gallon grow bags. Unfortunately I ran out of soil so they are probably only in 2 gallon of soil each.. My fault but since they are going into flower within the week it shouldn't be too horrible on em. Gonna give em a couple days to recoup from the transfer first of course. The bagseed has gone wild since I untied her. New leaves shooting out everywhere now that they all get light. My closet heat is getting worse and the fiance is too lazy to get her closet cleaned up so I can move it in there so I've had to turn the HPS off for now. So its under weak light, the 40 w verticle fluoro and 4 CFLs, I figure that is better than 100 degree temps. Came home last night to the girl having the door shut and temps inside around 110. Leaves did a weird stretch upwards but have since resumed normalicy with no apparent leaf damage which is nice and amazing. :woohoo: Have a 1/3 hp 216 cfm dayton squirrel cage on the way that will become my light exhaust fan so I think I'm gonna have ventilation issues handled, just want it another room cause I'm sure this thing is gonna SCREAM. And now for the pics!
My fault but since they are going into flower within the week it shouldn't be too horrible on em. Gonna give em a couple days to recoup from the transfer first of course. The bagseed has gone wild since I untied her. New leaves shooting out everywhere now that they all get light. My closet heat is getting worse and the fiance is too lazy to get her closet cleaned up so I can move it in there so I've had to turn the HPS off for now. So its under weak light, the 40 w verticle fluoro and 4 CFLs, I figure that is better than 100 degree temps. Came home last night to the girl having the door shut and temps inside around 110. Leaves did a weird stretch upwards but have since resumed normalicy with no apparent leaf damage which is nice and amazing. :woohoo: Have a 1/3 hp 216 cfm dayton squirrel cage on the way that will become my light exhaust fan so I think I'm gonna have ventilation issues handled, just want it another room cause I'm sure this thing is gonna SCREAM. And now for the pics!
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how old is that plant ???the 1 from the begining of the post
Ehhhhhh... Its about 7 weeks. Its gonna thru some nute burn and light burn and experimentation so its not as big as it could be tho.
I posted this elsewhere but since its my journal I'm throwing this up here too if anyone can help.
Currently a 110 cfm CPU type fan is pulling from 3x2x6 tent thru cooltube 400 HPS light into 4 inch duct exhaust going out the back of my tent into wall. Temps are nasty, to keep 88-95 degrees I have to keep tent open with closet open. 2 small 80mm comp fans running as intakes, 8 inch oscillating fan set up to pull air from outside closet in.
So I have a 216 cfm squirrel cage fan on the way here to deal with heat issues, and moving into another larger closet that is less used. I was thinking of using the squirrel fan as strictly a light exhaust, 4 inch intake from bottom of closet door thru light and into wall. Use the 110 cfm fan as a tent exhaust into room, or maybe into wall as well. I worry about the back flow from HPS pushing back into tent exhaust if i do that. Or should I just suck from tent with the squirrel cage thru the light and not have a dedicated light intake? That leaves me with the 110 cfm fan as an intake or tent exhaust to closet. The 80mm computer fans will continue their duty as intake fans, but only suck from closet interior as I don't think they have anywhere near enough pull for a 4in ducting. With the equipment available what would be the best setup possible?
I posted this elsewhere but since its my journal I'm throwing this up here too if anyone can help.
Currently a 110 cfm CPU type fan is pulling from 3x2x6 tent thru cooltube 400 HPS light into 4 inch duct exhaust going out the back of my tent into wall. Temps are nasty, to keep 88-95 degrees I have to keep tent open with closet open. 2 small 80mm comp fans running as intakes, 8 inch oscillating fan set up to pull air from outside closet in.
So I have a 216 cfm squirrel cage fan on the way here to deal with heat issues, and moving into another larger closet that is less used. I was thinking of using the squirrel fan as strictly a light exhaust, 4 inch intake from bottom of closet door thru light and into wall. Use the 110 cfm fan as a tent exhaust into room, or maybe into wall as well. I worry about the back flow from HPS pushing back into tent exhaust if i do that. Or should I just suck from tent with the squirrel cage thru the light and not have a dedicated light intake? That leaves me with the 110 cfm fan as an intake or tent exhaust to closet. The 80mm computer fans will continue their duty as intake fans, but only suck from closet interior as I don't think they have anywhere near enough pull for a 4in ducting. With the equipment available what would be the best setup possible?
Well my nute burn on the bagseed (which you can see on last post in pics on bottom right of plant) has gotten worse without additional feedings so I flushed it out with about 2 gallons of water. pH coming out appears to be 6.0 so i really need to pick up some lime to top the soil with. I know a true flush takes what like 3 times the growing medium volume but with as slow as the nute burn has leached up the plant I don't think it really really needs a full on attack. Top still has significant nice green growth, its only the bottom leaves which are burnin up. Plant has become significantly bushier, and i did tie it down again while I'm waiting on my fan to arrive. I figure might as well keep it low and bushy and let the citrals grow until my tent is really ready to be self containing which should be monday or tuesday. Got the venting situation fixed a little bit, alternate running the HPS most the time except midday when I run the fluoros so temps stay below 95. Hover at 90-92 with the HPS, 85-87 or so with just fluoros and CFLs. the oscillating fan is currently in weird place drying the tent bottom out, I just flushed into the floor since its waterproof and I figured the heat and fan running on it will assist evaporation and give the closet a bit more humidity, as it currently sits around 30 with light on. I really want it higher (55 or so) to ease some of the strain on the leaves from the high temps. More humidity means the stoma can stay open longer with less water loss, hopefully helping keeping some moisture in the leaves and stopping any heat burns. I haven't noticed too much yet but taking precautions is much easier than fixing problems.
Anyway on to the pics, burn pic first, ugly but not horrible, its a plant, it will survive and continue on so not worried, next look at how much bushier it is getting, got a pretty awesome "S" bend in the stem now, working on getting it all around the bag. Starts in middle pot, comes towards camera, up and humps back down then to left of picture goes up and humps back down again, I'm having fun with it. Citrals looking good still, very tiny bit of yellowing on tips of lowest leaves of 2 (not shown in pics), guess they really don't need much feeding like I've heard, did about 1/4 strength, seems to have loved it other than yellow tip, as they have really exploded. Lastly is the tent as of right now.
Anyway on to the pics, burn pic first, ugly but not horrible, its a plant, it will survive and continue on so not worried, next look at how much bushier it is getting, got a pretty awesome "S" bend in the stem now, working on getting it all around the bag. Starts in middle pot, comes towards camera, up and humps back down then to left of picture goes up and humps back down again, I'm having fun with it. Citrals looking good still, very tiny bit of yellowing on tips of lowest leaves of 2 (not shown in pics), guess they really don't need much feeding like I've heard, did about 1/4 strength, seems to have loved it other than yellow tip, as they have really exploded. Lastly is the tent as of right now.
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It really sucks about the temperature issue you have. From what i've read and IMO, extra C02 can really be benificial for heat issues--not ideal, but temporary like mcgyver style. While observing my plants. I did notice that the growth slowed down a bit when i took out my co2. I've gotten advice from another forum that the stoma, if in veg, open up during higher levels of temperatures, but should be supplemented with co2. Anything higher is risking hermies or no growth--IMO seeds are either female or male, but the growers are what creates the hermies.
During flowering, it was suggested that temperature should be lowered as much as possible for better yields. I did get mixed reviews on how higher temperature affects quality.
As far as the yellowing on the Citrals i have the same problem with my #1, and had the same with the male i grew prior. At first i thought it was normal, but my #2 hasn't showed those yellowing traits yet. I don't think you should be too worried about yellowing as long as there are no other issues with those leaves; i.e. curled leaves, disfigured new growth...etc. Hope this helps. Continue strong. I look forward to seeing our results with Citral in about 8 weeks.
have a nice weekend,
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During flowering, it was suggested that temperature should be lowered as much as possible for better yields. I did get mixed reviews on how higher temperature affects quality.
As far as the yellowing on the Citrals i have the same problem with my #1, and had the same with the male i grew prior. At first i thought it was normal, but my #2 hasn't showed those yellowing traits yet. I don't think you should be too worried about yellowing as long as there are no other issues with those leaves; i.e. curled leaves, disfigured new growth...etc. Hope this helps. Continue strong. I look forward to seeing our results with Citral in about 8 weeks.
have a nice weekend,
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The male citral i had showed sex about three to four weeks after i put the light on 12/12--i don't have my grow log at work for accurate time frames. Keep in mind that he was only vegged on 24/0 for two weeks. The two Citrals i currently have just past one week on the 12/12 and has yet to show sex. Both are about one month old.
After one week from switching the lights, My non-LST (#2) Citral had exploded with lower growth. I didn't realize how much growth there would be since i attempted to take cuttings from the male plant . Both plants have almost doubled their height since the switch. Does your Citral plant have alternating nodes yet? How bout smell? #1 smell Earthy and #2 smell skunky.
lots of aloha,
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After one week from switching the lights, My non-LST (#2) Citral had exploded with lower growth. I didn't realize how much growth there would be since i attempted to take cuttings from the male plant
. Both plants have almost doubled their height since the switch. Does your Citral plant have alternating nodes yet? How bout smell? #1 smell Earthy and #2 smell skunky.lots of aloha,
kailiwela44
So temp issues were fixed by the update to the cooling system. Air is pulled thru cool tube, to squirrel cage on shelf above tent, where it goes straight up into a closed off space within the attic. Intake is 96 or whatever cfm computer fan sucking in a 2 foot right anglish vent. I tried under the door but just didn't flow enough so I have to leave closet door cracked a little. Which is fine because I have way more negative pressure than positive from the fans so shouldn't be a stink problem, and hoping going thru insulation in attic will scrub smell out before it sinks back into house. Something I should keep an eye, or nose, out for. Anyhow temps stay in 80s light on now, low 70s when light first come on. I haven't had all the lights on yet either, I'll try the fluoro today when lights come on and keep an eye on temps. Pics will be updated tonight when I go in there. The bagseed looked like it might want to show sex tonight, almost showed a hint this morning, the preflowers looked like they might want to split into paired pistils in a few places, maybe after this last "night" they'll have decided. My citrals still have about 1-2 weeks to be sexually mature so I don't doubt they'll take longer. Oh and they popped soil 6/25 so 3.8 weeks veg. Oh again, I may be stoned to the point of organizational failure and forgetfulness rates are high, I watered last night with a suspension of ground lime and water, soaked a fair amount into the soil, hoping it will buffer the soil up a little bit. Will give a couple days and check what the runoff is looking like before trying again.
I have 2 confirmed females out of 3, whooopeee!!! No signs from the 3rd one yet, hoping that to be a plus as there is definitely no balls yet, just waiting for those pistils to pop out! Fed them their first round of flowering nutes tonight as well, fox farms big bloom and tiger bloom. Under 1/4 strength combined, 1/3 gallon to each plant. Here is a pic of the whole garden now, no pics of flowers yet as they are still really small and don't think this camera will cut it. They are starting to get a tiny bit stinky, very odd smell, lemony muskiness. No real odor outside of closet still as the only exhaust goes into attic, tho I must need another exhaust to make negative pressure since the smell is escaping the tent.
2 confirmed females! :woohoo: And the 3rd sure looks like it had tiny pistillate formations at 1 alternating node so maybe 3 for 3 citral females out of non-feminized seeds. I must be doing something right, and have some good luck too! Also attempting to clone one of the females for a future mother, took a lower branch with 2 nodes, no opened preflowers on it, placed in mini humid dome under 2 CFLs and its perked up very nicely since I cut it 6 hours ago so hoping for the best.
