WW trich pics at 69 days

[HippyInEngland]

http://www.marijuanapassion.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44391

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[StoneyBud]

I just typed a LONG post about peace, love, and everyone getting along, then hit POST REPLY, and got, of course, SERVER BUSY and lost it all. Sh*t!!!!!!

I also asked if flushing was an unproven theory as Stoney intimated and why Art Vandolay's sig mentions smoking WW leaves-it this facetiousness?

AG.

I hate it when that happens! Try repeated hits on your F5 key next time until your post appears. It takes several hits sometimes.

As for the flushing; I've never seen a single test that was done with any reliable methods. It's all anecdotal stories about how someone tried it and the smoke was much smoother. None have ever done any repeatable tests that I've heard of.

In regards to smoking leaves, sure, they have thc in them. If the weed is one of the more potent ones, you can catch a buzz from the leaf. It takes a lot of leaf to get stoned, but sure, it can happen. In my poorer days, I smoked leaf many times. It beats *nothing*.

Peace and Love back atcha!

 

[Amateur Grower]

Just checked my best girl-70 days today. She seems to be ambering up nicely. I might go ahead and harvest her in the morning. None of the other 4 show this much amber.

AG

 

[BBFan]

So on the whole darkness thing-

If I understand what you're saying is that there is no growth and therefore no trich production in the dark. When it's lights out, there is no metabolic processes occuring whatsoever?

I just read this:

The carbon-fixing reactions used to be called the dark reactions because light does not play a direct role in their functioning. The reactions take place in series outside of the grana in the stroma of the chloroplast. These reactions only occur if the end products of the light reactions are available for use. Depending on the plant involved, the carbon-fixing reactions may develop or progress in different ways. The most common type of carbon-fixing reactions in plants is the process called the Calvin cycle. In the Calvin cycle, carbon dioxide from the atmosphere is combined with a 5-carbon sugar—RuBP, or ribulose bisphosphate. The combined molecules are converted via several steps into a 6-carbon sugar, such as glucose. The ATP and NADPH molecules from the light reactions provide the energy and resources for the reactions. Some of the sugars produced are further combined into polysaccharides (strings of simple sugars) or are stored as starch within the plant. There are other variations, including the 4-carbon pathway which is usually found in desert plants (C4 plants).

Source: hxxp://www.biology-online.org/11/9_plant_metabolism.htm

This implies that growth and/or metabolism continues in the dark. I can't find where trich production is specifically related to photosynthesis (that it occurs only when light is hitting the chlorophyll).

I have read what NorCalHal says in that additional trich production occurs to protect the calyxes, but I can't find where it's only purpose is that.

Anybody got anything else I can look at for more info?

 

[StoneyBud]

So on the whole darkness thing-

If I understand what you're saying is that there is no growth and therefore no trich production in the dark. When it's lights out, there is no metabolic processes occurring whatsoever?

I just read this:


Source: hxxp://www.biology-online.org/11/9_plant_metabolism.htm

This implies that growth and/or metabolism continues in the dark. I can't find where trich production is specifically related to photosynthesis (that it occurs only when light is hitting the chlorophyll).

I have read what NorCalHal says in that additional trich production occurs to protect the calyxes, but I can't find where it's only purpose is that.

Anybody got anything else I can look at for more info?

BBFan, that's a good find and is one of the more interesting parts of plant systems.

The process that your excerpt is referring to is the plant sugar production. We have to remember that hundreds of different processes happen within a plant each day. Some are related directly, and some are only indirectly related to daylight.

All depend on daylight as part of the total macro process that results in plant growth.

Take away the daylight and you've ended the process replication. The current process that has it's initiation in Daylight, will complete, but only that far.

It won't start the process again, because the initial step in that process is now absent. Light.

The sugar production within almost all plants are the result of that same type of macro process.

The production of resin on the leaf surfaces can't surpass the flow of the normal resin production cycle which includes light. When that light stops, that exact point in the various light dependant cycles will stop at that point in their cycles. The point of the respective cycles will progress in it's natural relationships to other processes until it's completion. When the last of the energy from the inclusion of light into the processes has ended, that part of the plant macro processes will also cease to function.

If, however, light was restored to the initial plant processes prior to irreversible damages, the plant would recover and respond, perhaps, with an increase in resin production, among other process changes.

The increased resin production would draw from other processes at that point. The total plant capability hasn't changed; it's only been redirected to other pathways.

The flow chart would look something like this: Light on - Plant stores energy and all normal plant processes are functioning - Light out - Plant uses stored energy to continue processes - Plant processes start nearing end life capability - Light on - Plant immediately initiates new processes developing from light input - Plant "harm" centers report much damage - Plant systems change to provide more hormones to damaged parts - resin production increased to help provide temperature control on leaf surfaces and protect the species - Plant becomes heavier due to increased resin weight - More hormones sent to stems - Plant recovers from light deprivation stress - Plant processes normal.

The actual plant processes in the above flow are what happens when the plant is harmed in some way, or perceives harm to it's own internal processes.

This is all in Plant 101. It's how those beautiful little green things work.

Forgive me if I rambled. I'm stoned on Aurora and have also enjoyed a couple of rum & cokes. That's a major party when you're my age.

Peace - Love

and more money.

 

[Friend-of-a-friend]

I thought that the marijuana plant produced resin in response to humidity....the less humid, the more resin coating to protect the seedpod.

 

[BBFan]

Great post Stoney- thanks for the lesson (not bad for such an old guy hehe).

But that's the piece of info that I've been unable to find. That resin production only occurs in the light- that it does not continue in the dark relying on the stored energy within the plant to continue the process until those energy stores are depleted. I understand that certain processes are light dependant- is resin production one of those processes (meaning it can only occur when light is actually hitting the plant)?

So, since we all know that heat and light destroy thc, if the plants metabolic processes continue for a period of time, and if resin is continuing to be produced for a short period after lights out, could one conclude that since more resin is being produced than that which is being destroyed, you end up with a more potent end product?
However marginal?
I can't find the source right now, but I thought that I read resin is also produced not only to protect the calyxes but also to help airborne pollen stick to the plant to increase the potential for pollenation. Am I wrong here and is resin production strictly and only developed as a protective mechanism by the plant to protect itself from the light and heat of the sun?


Hey friend-of-a-friend:

I thought that the marijuana plant produced resin in response to humidity....the less humid, the more resin coating to protect the seedpod.

What I have read is that resin production is higher in more arid conditions, but that it is not the sole trigger for resin production.

 

[BBFan]

Sorry to jack your thread AG- looks like you're ready to harvest. Congratulations and enjoy- let us know how the chop goes.

Many people do (myself included) selective harvesting, allowing the rest of the plant to finish out. Certainly from the pics above that particular part of the plant is ready for the chop IMHO. But then, I don't enjoy being glued to the couch.

 

[Hick]

What I have read is that resin production is higher in more arid conditions, but that it is not the sole trigger for resin production.

in response to heat, aridity,(low RH not soil) and UV light.. IMO/E

I can't find the source right now, but I thought that I read resin is also produced not only to protect the calyxes but also to help airborne pollen stick to the plant to increase the potential for pollenation. Am I wrong here and is resin production strictly and only developed as a protective mechanism by the plant to protect itself from the light and heat of the sun?

possibly.. I have read that too.

 

[BBFan]

Yes Hick- I have read that UV light is a big factor in resin production- in fact that is something I learned from DirtyolSouth in one of his posts. Upon further research, I found confirming studies in Clarke's MJ Botany. I recently purchased a UV light from a pet store to use on my next grow as a result of DirtyolSouth's comments.

Do HID (mh & hps) bulbs emit trace amounts of UV light? I wonder why more people have not discussed the use of UV lights in their grows, or have I just missed those posts?

 

[Hick]

BB.. I remember "puffin Afatty" posting/discussing uv enhancement a year or so ago. But I failed to find the threads by search. I've read some on it. uvA I "think" is the spectrum you're looking for.
mj botany was my source of the information too

 

[4u2sm0ke]

Hick..I miss"Puffin " .. Hope he is doing okay...here is the link you are reffering too


http://www.marijuanapassion.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25555


take care and be safe:bong:

 

[PencilHead]

Has anyone tried molassas or LED lighting?

 

[umbra]

I did a reptillian uvb cfl on 2 grows. supplemental lighting. i did not notice much difference on the first try, so I tried again. This time I viewed it with a scanning electron microscope, and can say that I could not see much difference, or smoked any differently. So my results were inconclusive. I suspect that plants bred with very high trichomes production MAY not respond the same as ones with less. My samples were completely covered and did not leave any additional room for more trichomes. I'm not saying that my experiment is the ultimate result, but I'm more focused on diversied microorganisms and those results are much more tanagible.

 

[umbra]

Has anyone tried molassas or LED lighting?

I still use molasses and have a bunch of high powered leds sitting in boxes. Did the leds as well. I'll stick with T5's and hps.

 

[BBFan]

So now we have 2 discussions going on:
UVB lighting and its effects on resin production- though Umbra I think it has more to do with thc production within the trichs and not necessarily an increase in trich production.

and

the whole darkness before chop discussion.

Anyone care to offer more input?

 

[umbra]

BB the only way I know to test thc content is gcms. And I don't have access to one any more. So thats why I did not test it that way. But seat of the pants testing (smoking) didn't prove particularly effective either. So while it may or may not be true, the evidence is not easliy proven.

 

[StoneyBud]

Has anyone tried molassas or LED lighting?

I still use molasses and have a bunch of high powered leds sitting in boxes. Did the leds as well. I'll stick with T5's and hps.

I use molasses all the time. More on waffles than pancakes, but it's fantastic on both!

 

[Amateur Grower]

I started a 2nd, small grow when I realized I wasn't going to get the output I had hoped from my first grow (2nd grow is 4 unsexed as of now-2 WW and 2 bagseed which are pure sativa, best I can tell).

I may try molasses on these. BTW, I decided to wait another day or two on the chop. I've invested 3 months so far, so I wouldn't want to be premature by a week at this point.

AG

 

[dirtyolsouth]

Rock on AG! You're in for some tasty nugs. I get to this point and although I've been dying to harvest for a couple weeks I start to get apprehensive about it just before harvest when I... well, we won't discuss THAT anymore!

Anyone care to offer more input?

All I have left to say on the topic is: "But THIS one goes to eleven!"

Peace!