The Dr's Office

[yooper420]

Good morning Doc. Voted in your poll a few minutes ago. Interesting.

 

[P Jammers]

Again, I take exception to being told in a round about way that I am full of bovine organic fertilizer and that I am trying to claim inventing something new. I don't take offense to what is said, only exception to what is said. All I can say is that I had a desire for "tastier" smoke expressed to me. While my standard hydro smoke was good, they wanted more flavor. I got an idea from different things that I heard and read(about hygrozyme). I tried it (as a personal experiment)without telling anyone that I was going to try it, and I got rave reviews on the results, and still get rave reviews on my bud. As I said before, I don't know the in-depth science to it but I know that 3 people have done the same thing and got the same results. :confused2:

The scientific method says that if an experiment's results can be repeated in different scenarios then the experiment is a success. I guess we can call the first 3 of us to try this (as I don't know of anyone else who has done this) the Alpha and Beta tests. I am not trying to sell nutrients or lights or equipment or even methods to anyone. It works for me and I am curious if it will work for others who wish to have the same results without having to grow organically. If it improves the resulting bud flavors and doesn't introduce anything harmful to the user, then I am all for it, at least for my self if it doesn't work for a single other person, but my desire is to help others. :confused2:

First off, I was not speaking to you directly. I gave you the reason your plants taste better, and it's because you dropped your main nutes to lower the total percentage of food so your smoke is not going to take on any flavor of said nutes.

Hydroponic smoke has a reputation of tasting bad because the higher percentage of people over feed, Period.

Hygrozyme is a root cleaner. While it helps in DWC systems, it is designed to sit in the medium and clean roots that way. It eats away at decaying root matter and keeps the roots good and clean so they can uptake food. Used properly, it has ZERO effect on taste. Over dosed, and you can taste it just like any other product used in excess.

I don't know if anyone else has discovered this method as I didn't get it from anyone. I take exception to the idea that my method is the result of being brainwashed by any companies. I was happy with the results that I was getting with synthetics until a friend who regularly bought bud from me told me that he and his friends preferred "that organic flavor" in their bud.

Not sure why you are taking exception. I never pointed any fingers at you and was talking about the noobs in this thread throwing out 15 other products, but since you threw out the other statement I underlined, lets start there. Perhaps I was reading through the lines, but it certainly reads like you think you invented the idea of combining chemical and organic products as you made mention to anyone has "discovered the method" I will say that I find it odd that you use a company who claims to have made a product equal to General Hydro, yet have never used their calculator which clearly combines Chemical and Organic nutes, and has for years. Advanced jungle juice is garbage as a stand alone product. I have tested it side by side and the results are not even remotely close.

Your "friend" who claimed to like "that organic flavor" is clueless, and if you believed for one second that there is an "Organic flavor" and that it is better than hydro, then both of you have a lot to learn.

"Properly grown" cannabis wether it be organic or hydro there is no way to tell the difference. Thinking or saying anything else just shows ignorance to the facts. Over fed plants no matter which way they are grown are going to have bad taste.

You are the one I pointed out claiming you grew in Coco and that it "had" to have Calmag added. This is bad information, and untrue and I have seen you post it numerous time just this week. Coco has zero effect on calcium, only magnesium and sulfur. My question is, why are we adding a product that contains both calcium and magnesium? Do you realize that you are now creating a toxic calcium condition?

You know me Hush, I don't tend to sit back when bad information is being spewed, nor do I go and say things in a round about way.

Perhaps some of my earlier comments could have been taken as directed to you, but I assure you they were not.

Doc mentions using H202. Guess what, it kills microbes on contact. So what was the point if using the tea again?

There is no medium present, or at least not enough to create an an environment for microbes and fungi's to survive. So why are we mixing in hygrozyme again?

I will say this again. Yes you will grow plants using the above method but I can assure you it can and is done much better using a whole lot less.

If flavors have improved, then the original hydro methods just wen't good enough.

I have laid out a simple recipe for anyone to try. One can either try it, or you can stick your head in the sand and believe what ya want.

Makes me no never mind. I could just keep my pie hold shut and watch people struggle and throw money in the toilet.

If you guys like I can just walk on eggshells and secretly laugh at all the in accurate information and just post my porn shots.
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[WeedHopper]

:yeahthat:

 

[Dr. Green Fang]

Diggin' everything being said in here, both for and against things. It's all good... beyond this part PJ

If you guys like I can just walk on eggshells and secretly laugh at all the in accurate information and just post my porn shots.

You know we don't want you to keep quite, hence me thanking you and even asking you to check things. No need to keep claiming we're not listening to you or that we're "ignoring" you my friend. I got the LED's ya? Now, I'm setting up a space to do just that...a minimal run.

As for the porn shots, very nice. I DO have some comparable stuff I could post, but then that's back n forth for no reason hah. We know you got the skills, and obviously others do too...I'm going to try the minimal approach and even buying another light (right now even) of the exact lights you recommended to me. What's that, almost $1,500 worth of listening to you? :aok:

Because when you say things like;

Makes me no never mind. I could just keep my pie hold shut and watch people struggle and throw money in the toilet.

Nobody asked you to be quite good sir, more the opposite. We all love a collective of opinions and then people try things and find what they like. I'm not "set" on what I'm using as more feeling everything had a purpose.. or at least I thought hah Either way, please continue to speak in here, and don't worry about us judging your thoughts or not judging them.. I just love you posting them.

HP feels a way.. you feel a way... as do I. Let's get all feely and stuff together, shall we? :rofl: :aok:

 

[Hushpuppy]

PJ: Maybe you are not seeing how condescending and insulting you are being toward me and others who like to try different things for the heck of it. I have never said nor insinuated that I invented or discovered anything, unless to say that I had an idea and discovered for myself, the results that I am getting.

I understand that you like many others, are one who speaks their mind, and I have no problem with that. But you are confusing the giving of facts and opinions with belittling, insulting, and practically face slapping others who respect you and who try to treat you with more respect for your years of experience. You are reminding me of a certain sitcom character who goes to teach a class on theoretical physics and then proceeds to tell everyone who is there to learn that they are a bunch of idiots whose contributions to science will be no more than to blow up paper Mache volcanos for elementary students.
Maybe you need to carefully reread what you type before posting it, rather than slapping someone in the face and then telling them that you weren't aiming at them.

Maybe you are correct about the calmag information, but I base my comments and "opinion" on what I have read from you and other more experienced growers as well as scientific information, with a lesser amount of my own experience. Maybe I am wrong about the role that the calcium plays in the chemical reactions with coco but it was my understanding that calcium in the calmag additive can and will interact with coco to prevent it from locking up magnesium and cause magnesium deficiencies. That is why I recommend it to those who grow using synthetic nutrients with coco in hydroponic systems.

I find it interesting that you assume much about me and my "friends" while insinuating to us that your knowledge and experience is without flaw and should be blindly followed if the rest of us wish to do it the "only right way". I don't know all of the science of the enzyme/microbe functions. I only learned what I know of it from Scandinavian Bioscientists that have been working with a long standing international company. I explained what I know of the process already so I will not explain it yet again. I can only say that I believe your information and/or opinion is flawed in this matter.

I don't wish for you to be silent on this or any other matter on this forum. I invite your comments and I glean from your knowledge as I always try remain open to learning. I only ask you to afford me the same respect that I afford you.

 

[Keef]

Green Fang -- What U do looks a lot like what I do !-- Except I grow in aero -- I have a sq. yd. Of veg. and 4 sq.yds. of bloom !-- the 8 ft ceiling are in a walk in closet !-- I do a quick turn around so my ones stay in veg a total of 6 weeks then off to bloom !-- 3 1/2 months from fresh cut to harvest with my 60 day widow !-- Why run such small plants ? I can harvest a sq. yd SEA OF GREEN 6 times in a year and I have 4 ! No way - no how -- people growing trees can touch my production numbers in the same amount of time !

 

[sopappy]

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If you guys like I can just walk on eggshells and secretly laugh at all the in accurate information and just post my porn shots.
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no, no, no... You straightened me out right quick about the 80% humidity thing and LEDs so I tried to verify where I picked that up, I was SURE it was in the literature that came with my LED. I couldn't find it! Still smarting, I fired off a letter to my vendor asking him to verify and never heard back.
I was trying to keep my room at 60% max, now I let it go to 70% and I won't fuss so much about it this summer. Thank you.

but yes, yes, yes... continue with the bud porn

 

[N.E.wguy]

I just want to say that all this is very interesting you the posters involved are acting like mature adults rather then making this a pointless conversation, instead I find all of this very informative and have learned every thing here and we all continue to thanks to posters like these that get the info out there.

Just want to say Thank You to DGF for starting this thread and having these topics raised and addressed by reputable people HP imo PJ i don't know you but i know the rest of you guys pretty well and appreciate the thread DGF

and on top of that this thread is full of win bud pics loven it man keep up the great threading

 

[N.E.wguy]

Green Fang -- What U do looks a lot like what I do !-- Except I grow in aero -- I have a sq. yd. Of veg. and 4 sq.yds. of bloom !-- the 8 ft ceiling are in a walk in closet !-- I do a quick turn around so my ones stay in veg a total of 6 weeks then off to bloom !-- 3 1/2 months from fresh cut to harvest with my 60 day widow !-- Why run such small plants ? I can harvest a sq. yd SEA OF GREEN 6 times in a year and I have 4 ! No way - no how -- people growing trees can touch my production numbers in the same amount of time !

oh no last thing he needs is more great idea to run amuck with lol. nice to meet you keef I posted in your:vap-bobby_on_the_be thread earlier don't think I ever met u

 

[WeedHopper]

Im still waiting for more bud porn. Lol

 

[N.E.wguy]

always WH !

 

[Kraven]

I agree Doc, I'm not chiming in because I'm to busy learning so much from HP a PJ. I respect both your views.

 

[P Jammers]

PJ: Maybe you are not seeing how condescending and insulting you are being toward me and others who like to try different things for the heck of it. I have never said nor insinuated that I invented or discovered anything, unless to say that I had an idea and discovered for myself, the results that I am getting.

In order for me to be or have a condescending tone you are implying I would need to be looking down on someone. I have simply come in to the thread and made factual statements based on science, not opinion. I'm sorry you feel that way, and for sure you're not the first to feel that way after being corrected with accurate information.

I understand that you like many others, are one who speaks their mind, and I have no problem with that. But you are confusing the giving of facts and opinions with belittling, insulting, and practically face slapping others who respect you and who try to treat you with more respect for your years of experience. You are reminding me of a certain sitcom character who goes to teach a class on theoretical physics and then proceeds to tell everyone who is there to learn that they are a bunch of idiots whose contributions to science will be no more than to blow up paper Mache volcanos for elementary students.

I did no name calling and if you go back to what has been written I never made this personal. You on the other hand came on to the thread and immediately made it about you.

Maybe you need to carefully reread what you type before posting it, rather than slapping someone in the face and then telling them that you weren't aiming at them.

I'd suggest that you go back and re read what I have written and what was said again before you made it about you. I like to stay with the facts when I try and give advise. It may come across to some as harsh, but at the end of the day you remember what I wrote because I do ZERO sugar coating. It's not in my makeup. Call it a flaw. I get results.

Maybe you are correct about the calmag information, but I base my comments and "opinion" on what I have read from you and other more experienced growers as well as scientific information, with a lesser amount of my own experience. Maybe I am wrong about the role that the calcium plays in the chemical reactions with coco but it was my understanding that calcium in the calmag additive can and will interact with coco to prevent it from locking up magnesium and cause magnesium deficiencies. That is why I recommend it to those who grow using synthetic nutrients with coco in hydroponic systems.

...and I doubt you'll go around telling people to use, or say I have to use Calmag in Coco because it is needed. Just think of the Thousands of dollars I have saved not only this site, but everyone who ever shares this information. No charge on that BTW.


BTW be careful people. Magnesium can be overdosed, so you do not need to add the 1 gram, or ML every time you change out your nutes, only if you are starting to show signs of an issue.

I find it interesting that you assume much about me and my "friends" while insinuating to us that your knowledge and experience is without flaw and should be blindly followed if the rest of us wish to do it the "only right way".

First, I do not need to assume anything about you or your friends. You made it painfully obvious that you both had an opinion that organic weed has a better taste. Any master grower knows that is a bunch of crap, and perfectly grown plants in either medium taste like the plants, not what was used to grow said plant. If you want to check that fact, get NorCalHal in here to give his thoughts on the subject.

As for your comments on the "only right way" I have said in this thread at least twice now that while your method will work it is not the best of ideas and is flawed. The thing that I saw the good Doc mention is H202, but that I have not seen you mention. That is the #1 glaring issue and is a Band-aid product for an issue, not something you add as a regular product. Used more times than not to battle over heated water in DWC and other systems where the roots are submerged in nutrients.

I don't know all of the science of the enzyme/microbe functions. I only learned what I know of it from Scandinavian Bioscientists that have been working with a long standing international company. I explained what I know of the process already so I will not explain it yet again. I can only say that I believe your information and/or opinion is flawed in this matter.

By all means, go ahead and post what is flawed. I mean I got my degree in horticulture in 1984, but I still remember a thing or two.

I don't wish for you to be silent on this or any other matter on this forum. I invite your comments and I glean from your knowledge as I always try remain open to learning. I only ask you to afford me the same respect that I afford you.

There are people in my life that do not know of PJ, my internet personality. Some of them know of the guy who used to grow large back in the day so they ask me for advice. In the past year two of these people had joined internet forums so I told them this.

Go to a site called Marijuana Passion. Once you are there look for a guy who goes by hushpuppy if you want to do hydro.

Fact is you had already earned my respect a while back. That said, and keeping it real like I always do, today that went down a bit.

Personally, I hope you were just having a bad week.

 

[P Jammers]

im still waiting for more bud porn. Lol

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[Dr. Green Fang]

Journal update.

Worked straight (10 minute lunch/dinner break) from 9am until 12:30am . . . I just got in. I did so much today, oh man! Will have a full DIY tutorial on 18 gal DWC totes tomorrow. I put all 4 of my new ones in the new setup...they are all 4 Cinderella 99

Each totes has about 8.5 gal of nutrient solution, mixed to about 800ppm's and at 5.9 PH. I just did base nutes, Rhizotonic, touch of Cal-Mag and 1.5 ml (trace) of Thrive Alive for B-Vitamin during transition. (I know PJ.. sit back and smile, hah! I'll be doing your method in a 2x2 in the coming weeks!)

I trans...planted? .. errr... moved my rooted clones from the rooted rockwool to a bigger block of rockwool....is that still transplanting, considering it's rockwool? So confusing!!

I also setup and quickly decided to break down a new 70L 8 port commercial air pump, made by Hydrofarm. The thing got exceedingly hot. I mean, I could barely keep my hand on it, then the heat transferred through the 1/4" hose to the 8 port metal valve thing, and THAT was even almost too hot to touch! The hoses started to "meld" to the metal lol. That thing was extremely loud, and extremely hot.. BUT.. it made an extreme amount of bubbles! lol...either way, I'll be going back to my 4 port fish tank air pumps. Not quite as many bubbles, but a lot less heat and sound. I literally couldn't sleep well if I left that pump going.

So much went on today.. I can't even collect my thoughts. I forgot to pick up proper air stones, so for tonight I installed ghetto ones. I didn't get long enough air hose, and the hose I got from amazon was JUST barely big enough to even work. I mean, really, wow...had a rough time getting it on some of the stones.

I'm contemplating setting up a scrog net on this one, being I have 4 large ones and they are all the same. Only thing that stops me is I think they are "too big".

Thoughts, thoughts, thoughts... thinking thinky think thoughts.

 

[Dr. Green Fang]

Off to the Hydro store today... expect a large picture update some time today

I'm so tired, lol

 

[Hushpuppy]

Hey D I had that same issue with a larger air pump when I was running my commercial grow. That thing was sooo loud and got way to warm for comfort. I found this pump to be a better fit for getting lots of air without so much noise and heat: https://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com/general-hydroponics-dual-diaphragm-air-pump-p-234.html

I'm glad to see you doing some side by side comparison grows. That should be interesting to see the results. If I had the room to do it, I would try several different ways at the same time to see what is and isn't working with my method and with the suggested method change from PJ. As I said before, I am interested in having others try my method to see if it works in other scenarios or if it is unique to just something that we are doing.

The buds are looking fine and the new kids are coming along nicely

 

[yooper420]

Luv the bud porn. Luv the interaction of the master growers. Great thread.

 

[N.E.wguy]

what are you saying about cal/mag and coco coir in hydro? I grow in coco/perlite

 

[P Jammers]

what are you saying about cal/mag and coco coir in hydro? I grow in coco/perlite

If you are speaking to me here is what I am saying based on using General Hydroponics Flora series, and or Advanced Jungle Juice better knows as the GH replacement.

I you are using Coco coir as a medium or DWC mix 6ML of Micro, 9ML of Bloom, and 1ML or Gram of pure Epsom Salt right off the batt. I have reformulated my old recipe to battle the needs of Coco coir and by using this method you will eliminate the need to use a Cal Mag product ever again.

Now a couple very important things to remember. You can easily overdose your plants so go sparingly on the epsom. For sure use it in the beginning stages of veg, and continue in to the first week or two of bloom. By this time chances are you will no longer need any epsom and can continue on with your regular program.

The single most important thing to remember is your PH. In flower you want to be 5.8 to 6.1 and run as close to the cuff as you can. If you detect any Calcium issues go a little higher as in 5.9 to 6.2 or 6.3.

The general rule of thumb they say is to run hydro between 5.5 and 6.5 which is a great general number for "most" plants.

The numbers I am stating on this site is for what we talk about here.

The demands of what we grow elements wise are in the 5.8 to 6.1 range typically, so if you fall beyond those numbers you will get issues causing one to think, OMG I need Calmag.

Also know that in using coco, the PH at the root zone changes pretty rapidly, so frequent watering is necessary to flush out old nutes with new oxygenated nutes at least every 18 to 24 hours.

As a tip and to save you some cash try using Coco coir chips instead of the coco/perlite mix. If you are starting seeds use rapids, or the like and plant right in to it using the above method.

Those two tips should save you a ton of cash down the road and lot of grief trying to guess why your plants are struggling.