dont mention LED's

[Rosebud]

Yes those look very nice Niteshft.

 

[P Jammers]

Sitting here doing :bong1: of my hps buds and laughing, while you try to convince people how it takes 99 plants to do what a hps can do with 10 plants, but it is better?

You guys are giving All the reason why it is not better then a hps.

Where do you think I am at? I am sitting here laughing hard:rofl:

So hurry on back to your lab so that you can LST your 99 plants, while I sit back and enjoy my hps buds:bong:

But gee these wonder lights make it not stretch and taste better.:rofl:

You guys are funny:rofl::rofl:

I have watched to many LED wannabes come and go to get my feathers ruffled p.jammers :aok:

Tell you what, put up a thread. We'll do a similar strain, and update week by week in a journal. Not only will I do it faster I'll out yield you and we'll show the little world here just how clueless you really are. We flip at the same time.

That goes for anyone here who wants to do a comparison and show results out in the open.

Keep on Quackin on duck. Put up, or Shut u time.

And just for the record, I do not run anywhere near 99 plants nor do I LST any strain that would not need it under any lights.

You're going off some Mis-Quoting that Novellchef made on this site. I have never said anyone would need to grow single cola plants, and have never posted a pic of one ever.

I have close to 30 strains I have completed under LED's all completely documented, and your going to sit up here and talk this jive.

Please, you're an absolute disgrace to this community, and an extremely rude person with a very creative imagination. Nothing more, nothing less.

If you have nothing further to add, get that thread going and lets do this.

Are are you really just a chicken? :hubba:

Cluck Cluck


For others who are more interested in facts, this is a very low yielding Purple Diesel plant that I did under LED's anyway. It's actually done better under LED's over HPS and quite outstanding. I am sure NVthis can comment if anyone has a dispute about this particular pheno.

 

[nouvellechef]

Yes. I didn't mean PJ was growing 99. What I meant and let's be honest, huge majority of growers are doing in full or part time for income. Whether it be LED or HID, nobody will ever out yield a SOG with legions of plants in terms of crops per year. And with either light, having a room full in bloom(no veg), mothers and rooting clones getting ready, 99 little ladies will creep up in no time.

That's all I meant.

I think it's fantastic what the future holds. 5 years ago, I prob would switch it up. But at $5 a oz net cost to me, lowering that, is just not on my radar

 

[NorCalHal]

I believe every word of it. It just scares me cause I know, running a legion of single cola plants with those LED's is the way to go. Just like running a HID, single cola SOG, but you save on killowatt hours and bulb replacement. But I know going over 99 plants can happen real quick, thats the part that scares me. While I might save some money over the years, I just sleep better only having a few she beasts under some HID's.

But keep on doing!

Straight up.

 

[AluminumMonster]

I can't argue with that Nouvellechef... im using all hid, and T5's and my plant count if ya include cuts is well in to the 80's already... and @ $5 an oz I don't think I would change anything either lol.

However, since I can keep my plant count the same, I still want to make the change

 

[Locked]

Nice plants niteshft, and PJ that P Diesel looks like candy bro. Let's not let the facts get muddled up with LED hating. Peeps are constantly asking for documentation and pics of successful LED grows and when we get some we resort to name calling and distorting things? Come on we are a better community then that. PJ is not spamming the site or plugging a company...he is sharing his results and clearing up some obvious misconceptions with today's latest LED technology. Jmo

 

[gourmet]

I'de love to see a comparison grow.

 

[Rosebud]

Me too.

 

[nvthis]

For others who are more interested in facts, this is a very low yielding Purple Diesel plant that I did under LED's anyway. It's actually done better under LED's over HPS and quite outstanding. I am sure NVthis can comment if anyone has a dispute about this particular pheno.

Man, I can't wait to go to LED's. Honestly, I have been waiting for growers like you to pave the way for years. To figure these damn things out and make them work up to snuff. Ya'll are pioneers in my book. Yup, can't wait... No more heat = longer indoor grow season. No more HID = less fear of electrical fire hazard. That last one, to me, is WAY MORE meaningful than any power savings I might realize.

PJ, you killed it with that Purp D, bro. That's just insane.

However.. In all fairness.... And not to add fuel here, but just because he is a topshelf grower himself, the best Purp D I have seen yet is Hammy's. For the size pot he uses, it was truly mind boggling.. Of course, that in no way takes from what you have accomplished here. And, frankly, I think in time (and perfecting the LED craft) we may see even that example eclipsed. Keep up the good work. Everybody is watching now

Oh, and you guys be easy on my bro PC.. He's a good mate and, just like most of us, he has yet to be subjected to a lot of positivity concerning LED's over the years, so his scepticism is understandable, relatable and, in the end, forgivable. The Duck has a "prove it first and show me, or it ain't real" mentality, just like me, just like a lot of us. Give him time. If LED's are truly the way, he'll come around

 

[Locked]

Man I miss that Purple D...was some tasty Dank for sure. Well said Nv, and thanks for the kind words. I am going to have to try these out first hand after the New Year. Finding a source to get the newest LED Technology and not getting taken for Ebay style junk instead is something that has me excited. I bet many of us would give them a try as long as we knew we were getting "good" lights and not that cheap knock off crap that is floating all over the net. jmo

 

[pcduck]

I have nothing to prove p.jammers. Everybody knows that hps works:aok:

Tell you what you do, you do a grow with 1 plant under a led and one under a hps. Same strain, same techniques and we will see what the outcome is, because then we would not have to worry about different environments or different nutes or anything else. And I will believe your results just like I would anybody else's that I don't know from Adam with only 18 posts.:aok:

Just be sure to hide the hps in your led grow pics:aok:

 

[nvthis]

he'll come around

Or, maybe not..

LMAO

Eh, I still love ya bro..

 

[nvthis]

Man I miss that Purple D...was some tasty Dank for sure. Well said Nv, and thanks for the kind words. I am going to have to try these out first hand after the New Year. Finding a source to get the newest LED Technology and not getting taken for Ebay style junk instead is something that has me excited. I bet many of us would give them a try as long as we knew we were getting "good" lights and not that cheap knock off crap that is floating all over the net. jmo

I think PJ's efforts are timely and hugely promising. He's one smart cookie, for sure. It might be a good move.

As for me, I am getting more and more comfortable with the idea myself. I have a large bank of LED's now, but I haven't used them and don't know that they are what I want. Or, at least, by themselves anyway. Hmm.. I'll have to hit up PJ about it and see what he thinks..

That being said, I don't want to understate the importance of this thread. Keep it up, guys..

PJ,
I think he is Chicken after all...
Becouse we all know D. Duck always goes after a challange!

All you guys need to just give it a break already. This proves nothing, nor is it at all helpful. That includes you, PC. C'mon, guys, ya'll are better than this. There's nothing to be gained here by deviating from the learning process... Talking **** never got anyone anywhere. You all know me, and that COMES FROM EXPERIENCE!!

 

[my my]

well said nvthis,
imo the problem is the Duck is not
OPEN MINDED GROWER:holysheep:

non of us said Rush right out and buy..
Just sharing is all...
I myself had to watch a few grows by PJ before i decided to look into it in more deepth..
BUT the big difference i sat in the background with my Yap shut and watched..
I certainly didn't heckle him....
on that note. i will just put up some pics of my girl on a weekly basis untill she finishes.
My My

 

[P Jammers]

First thank you for the kind words guys. I really wish it were true Hammy, but I get the same vibe from this place it had 2 years ago

I have nothing to prove p.jammers. Everybody knows that hps works:aok:

Tell you what you do, you do a grow with 1 plant under a led and one under a hps. Same strain, same techniques and we will see what the outcome is, because then we would not have to worry about different environments or different nutes or anything else. And I will believe your results just like I would anybody else's that I don't know from Adam with only 18 posts.:aok:

Just be sure to hide the hps in your led grow pics:aok:

You were asked in a kind way to check out my threads at another board you are a member of. Perhaps the close to 3000 posts there would be helpful, no? I guess the close to 800 posts I had here 2 years ago don't count now either right?

I have already run the side by sides, with both HPS vs LED all things the same which is also documented with pictures.

Yes. I didn't mean PJ was growing 99. What I meant and let's be honest, huge majority of growers are doing in full or part time for income. Whether it be LED or HID, nobody will ever out yield a SOG with legions of plants in terms of crops per year. And with either light, having a room full in bloom(no veg), mothers and rooting clones getting ready, 99 little ladies will creep up in no time.

That's all I meant.

And you're right, a large portion do however if you go back to my original post in this thread and read the last line you will see I said they are not for everybody.

What about the guy who runs a small tent who wants to grow a few plants? Does that thinking make any sense then?

What about the commercial business that has no equipment currently and is ready to start up. No brainer right?

The thing I will disagree on is the over all yield. When I first set up I added more buckets to the system "thinking" I was going to lose some yield. I've since increased my yield and have not skipped a beat.

Turns out, I was wrong, and I can yield the same, and even better on some strains, some a little less but even then I can veg a little longer and get things right on track.

Look, I came here only because people were making claims they did not produce results. I've shown that's not true.

I have nothing left to say or prove.

My peeps know where to hit me.

Peace

 

[gourmet]

Too bad. I was looking to watch a comparison grow or a side by side.

 

[nvthis]

well said nvthis,
imo the problem is the Duck is not
OPEN MINDED GROWER:holysheep:

Unfortunately, this couldn't be further from the truth. If you ignored PC, you wouldn't even know he's here. And his "mindedness", be it open, closed or otherwise, has absolutely no bearing on you, me or anyone else at the end of the day. **The problem** is reciprocating and perpetuating. Some one has to be man (or woman) enough to break the cycle because at that point, nobody (read, NOBODY) is the winner.

And to prove it, PJ has now left the building. Too bad, we all lose..

 

[Locked]

**The problem** is reciprocating and perpetuating. Some one has to be man (or woman) enough to break the cycle because at that point, nobody (read, NOBODY) is the winner.

And to prove it, PJ has now left the building. Too bad..

Worst part is MP as a community is the real loser...there are not a lot of well documented LED grows out there let alone one that comes along with a grower willing to break down what he is doing, equipment he is using, specs etc. I understand some peeps don't really get along with others, but sometimes you have to put that crap on the back burner for the good of the whole community. That goes for both sides of the argument. Antagonizing comments don't help, they only add fuel to the fire. In this case said fire has burned this thread out of any more info from PJ. Thanks for popping in PJ, sorry it went down this road. I appreciate you coming by and at least giving me something to think about and ponder for next year.

 

[Old_SSSC_Guy]

Regardless whether LEDs work for growing I'm kinda surprised that no one has mentioned one of the better reasons for not considering them: because they are unnatural and simply do not replicate mother nature.

To me the goal of the indoor grower is to try to achieve parity with mother nature. The aim is not to create a false environment - but rather to mimic a natural eco environment on a small scale which the planet offers plants as a matter of course. Consistent temps within seasons, a finite light pattern, and the nutrients required for healthy growth. In indoor gardening you to not create a false environment to make your plants happy - you try to duplicate/simulate the outdoor environment as closely as you can.

However in the LED world you choose to falsify the light source(s) using visible color spectrums simply not available or common to nature. I know of no where on the earthen planet where visible red light is consistent or common; or blue, or green or whatever. Just as a healthy diet includes more than one single food source, balanced health for plants and the plant vigor we all seek comes from a subtle mix of light spectrum. Not one primary spectrum which simply does not occur in nature.

The only functional light source - at the moment - which approximates the balanced spectrum required for healthy growth is HID lighting. We do not switch to red bulbs for flowering. Why would we?

Why not try putting a red theater gel on your halide or HPS if red light is the sole key to success? Maybe its because the plants will suffer from the un-natural light source you expect them to live under. They may survive - but they will not be robust, and will offer weak results compared to other light sources.

Just an opinion...

 

[P Jammers]

Not the building, just the thread guys.
:hubba: