Update 7/25/07 outdoor grow

[clever_intuition]

This is what it looks like. A leaf hopper

 

[Kupunakane]

Yeppers,
Once Clever_Int said where to go look, I think I see the little devil also. Talk with a few of the guys about tying your plant over. I think this is a brilliant idea and I see that it does work well. You can carefully tie the top and pull it gently over towards the rim of the container, (don't break the stalk). you will see the side branches are now pointing up and they will start to grow towards the light. After awhile you can rotate the pot, (no more that 1/4 turn), and repeat the process. This will give you that desired Christmas tree look. I personally think though that sativas have a hard time with this as they like to grow tall man.
Like I said some of the guys here do this, and have it down to an art form, talk with them a little, you will be satisfied I'm sure. By the way Hydro 333 had this to share check it out, Low Stress Training made simple, http://www.marijuanagrowing.eu/cannabis2335-0-asc-0.html
thinking good thoughts for your grow
smoke in peace
KingKahuuna

 

[clever_intuition]

This will probably help a little more than knowing about the bug its self. I never knew I could know what a bug is just by looking at it thats friggen cool!

Put 3 cloves of garlic, a medium onion and 30 mL of red pepper in 1 L of water. Crush, let stand 10 minutes and strain. Dilute with water (ratio of 1:3). Or soak 6 rhubarb leaves in 2 L of water. Crush and strain.

Spray the plants and repeat three times at three-day intervals. The second solution is effective against grubs and black spot on roses. Both solutions can be frozen. Diatomaceous earth, pyrethrum and rotenone can be used to kill leafhoppers, scarab beetles and mealybugs, but they are not selective pest controls, so they should be used only as a last resort.

Remove and burn all leaves with insects or eggs on them. Flying insects do not like humidity. Spraying plants in sunny weather, or sprinkling a little lime on the leaves in the early morning will keep these pests away. A mulch of oak leaves will repel insects that chew foliage.

 

[ktownlegend]

still don't see the bug ur talking about, the only thing i see on that leaf is a couple of holes and maybe a darkspot.

 

[clever_intuition]

Look close it is there, on the pictures you first posted, left side pic in the upper right hand side, middle leaf. Click on the pic to enlarge it.

 

[ktownlegend]

well i guess i got a few things to try out then. next question. has ne one every switched an outdoor grow with direct light to an outdoor grow in a greenhouse type of structure? if so did u have to increase ur watering schedule

 

[ktownlegend]

i keep looking man, but i seriously am not seeing what u guys are talking about

 

[clever_intuition]

Just to let you know you also have a bug in the second picture from the left, you have to zoom to see it though......Kust letting you know man.

I hope all works out for you

 

[walter]

hey buddy you definatly have a prob of some sort, somthing is eatin the crap outta your leaves,, i forget what post it was in but someone was saying somthing about 7 DUST,, get that stuff and try it out im interested in hereing how it works,, another thing,, thoes pots your growing in are the same ones i used for years, youll find that the sun dries your soil out real fast and that your soil will move away from the edge of your pot and expose your roots,, i cut out the bottom of my pots and put them halfway into the ground , and also they will get to top heavy when you start budding and the pots are to narrow at the bottom and fall over easly with the slightest wind ,, i just thought id give you a heads up on the hole situation with thoes pots.

 

[ktownlegend]

well heres an update on the looks neway. not to bad, the one in the greenhouse got over watered yesterday, i added in some fresh soil on the top so shes drooping a lil bit, as for the rest, doing fine it seems, the bugs haven't been to much of a problem in the past days, but i will be trying out a one of those recipes for bug sprays either tomorrow or tuesday.

looks also like some hairs forming on few different plants. hoping for a bunch of girls, but its hard to say just yet still getting alot of light. ne advice or comments always appreciated. i'd like some feed back on the greenhouse change though. if ne one else has done it and what were some changes, other than temp.

 

[ktownlegend]

will someone with some outdoor experience/ greenhouse outdoor experience please give me some feed back, im sittin here wondering what to expect in days to come and its making me nervous. i check the greenhouse ones today, there was a bee sittin on my baby. i wouldn't imagine that begin a problem. but it seems a spider has taken a liking to the bottom few leaves. i have yet to try those recipes, can't seem to find just rhubarb leaves.

 

[ktownlegend]

Okay, so today, i had to add in some supports to the greenhouse, the top was holding a pool of water, even though theres slits to let air in, it still held water, a good lot of it ran through into my pots, so i took the bottom trays off for the day and let'em drain. put one from downstairs in the greenhouse with the other one. I also today picked up, Organocide, an organic insecticide/fungicide. a 3 way meter to test for moisture, light and ph levels. plus my gardener gave me a free sample jar of Rootech cloning Gel. (BA) i sprayed them all down with the spray, checked moisture, light and ph levels on all. the ones in the ground are about a 6 - 6.5 the one next to those in the pot is bout the same, the other 3 behind the ladders where really acidic, like under 5, probly y there not growing right. the one in the greenhouse was 5-5.5 so a lil acidic also. im gonna wait till the weekend for new pics to see if the spray works and to try what ever advice u guys can give me on a simple solution to a ph inbalance thats inexpensive also.

 

[Kupunakane]

I am looking at your plants,
and I really don't think they are a sativa, or if they are then they are mixed with an indica. The leaves are not long and skinny enough. They have that bit of an indica broad leaf look. If they are pure indica then too much watering, or not near enough light or both. They do look a bit stretchy and stalky.
I think that I owe you a bit of an explanation. We each seem to think of something different when we talk greenhouse. When I said yes I do have a lot of knowledge about having a greenhouse, I should have explained to you that I do hot house, and that I built my hot house to be the size of 12 foot x 25 foot x 12-16 foot cathedral ceiling. The big thing was made almost entirely of glass that I white-washed.
It looks to me like your green house is setup as a hot house kinda on the small side and made of visqueen, (a low density polyethalean ). It doesn't really work like a glass one does.
Visqueen is a good defuser for light to be sure, but it traps and holds way to much heat and humidity, so you have to seriously go With some careful venting if your going to do a green house. I think you will have good control. Insects will tend to disappear simply cause they can't get past the material. Your plants will tend to love the green house, but not a hot house. Watch your watering as you won't lose that much moisture in a green house, or a hothouse. Instead of inserting a probe a couple of inches into your soil, you need to get that probe way down by the roots. In all my hothouse growing I found that root rot really wanted to proliferate. Which are you wanting to have ? a green house, or a hot house.

smoke in peace
KingKahuuna

 

[ktownlegend]

i couldn't tell ya, its a first for me, never bothered to build a structure to house them before, just moved them around outside. i got that 3 way meter that will reach all the way to the pot of the pots to check for moisture levels. seeing as how it rained yesterday, there all about 9-10, and as far as answering ur question, im not to sure, i haven't thought about switching building materials. nor a difference in Naming the structure. thats the first time i've ever been informed of two different styles of Greenhouse so to speak. i just went and checked them a second ago. on the light meter, it goes from 0-2000.

0 being dark, 2000 being direct light, the greenhouse doesn't get direct sunlight till 12 exactly, but as of 11 there getting inbetween 800 - 1000 on the meter, so i wouldn't worry bout materials passing light. but i am a lil concerned about temp, its easily a good 10 degrees warmer/+ more humid.

the one thats been in there is bushing out great, a good color, the bottoms leaves from being burned are the only ugly thing about it. im bout to have to start tying the top down and topping it again, im not to sure how many there are now, over a dozen fer sure. there was a spider on it also, i sprayed them down really good yesterday with that insecticde too, and still found a spider. as far as strain, it came out a bag of good popcorn nugs awhile back.


comments, advice, and feed back always appreciated

fire it up

 

[Geter-D1]

i done a lot of nursery work back in my teen years , if your going to use the viqueen , you need some sort of ventilation cut some flaps in it that you can roll up and down this will help controll the temp , moisture and let a little more direct light in , and regular spiders are usually not a problem in fact out side there sometimes beneficial, with your real insect problems. keep on growing on

 

[Geter-D1]

by the way , k town , you can make a real nice little green house using 1/2 pvc not very expensive either 3-4 $ dollars in fittings and 3-4 sticks of pvc depending on how big you want to make it easy build

 

[ktownlegend]

i think that'll be next time around,lol but i'll be putting some pics up probly sunday. so far so good, except for the one in the pot by the ones in the ground, i pinched the stem on one side a lil to hard, and it split, the branch isn't dying its trying to heal itself, but i was wondering if i could put a splint on it so to speak with perhaps a lil clone gel to act as a bandaid sort of. granite that is for rooting but on the surface of the plant would it act like neosporane? as for the ones in the greenhouse, doing fantastic, the original is bushing out beautifully, i got a lil clone kicking too i'll show u guys looks crazy, cuz i cut all the leafs off except for the top wher i topped, now its just two branchs kicking off tight compacted. the other one i added to the greenhouse is doing good, ph's all balanced out( i think it was all the rain that messed it up) o and u guys weren't kidding about the holding moisture in the greenhouse, i haven't had to water the two of them in 4 days now. which brings up my next problem, how am i gonna feed nutes for bloom if i have to dilute it with water, i odn't want to over water them. i thought about a dry fert, but i like the one i use. so any thoughts on that would be fantastic, i thought foliar feeding but i'm pretty sure thats not gonna do what it can through the roots. i have so many tops on them its hard to keep track, expecting a good yield.

advice, questions and comments always appreciated

Fire it up

KT

 

[Geter-D1]

if your worried about the moisture when you nute and water , and you dont want to cut flaps , roll the bottom of the visqueen up a couple inches , at night this will allow moisture to escape , and still keep some warmth in your green house , this should help with that problem , so you can give it the nutes you want,..........and yes you can splint it , it will help it regrow better , if its just split some put some tape around it to cover the slit it will heal faster

 

[ktownlegend]

well if u look at the pic of the greenhouse, i have slits cut in it all over the place, the bottom is pre-made raised up and the opening is a huge cut hooked together i'll take some pics of it sunday to show u. but what about the cloning gel on the splint, will it be of good help or bad? come on now boys i know ur out there(kk,grunts,hick) what u got to say?

 

[Hick]

.......cloneing hormones are to promote rooting and usually contain a fungucide, but I don't think "I" would use it for this application. It ain't neosporin for plants.
"I" don't have hi humidity to deal with, so I'm not "experienced" there, but I do believe, those plants will dry out in time. When they do, feed them.
Circulation is as important in a GH situation as it is ID. Keep that air moveing.