Sopappy's grow

[sopappy]

Sopappy, after this DWC I'm going to go back to soil. When I get ready I would like for you to grow with me, it's about two months away. We will go through all the steps together, use the same dirt and the same methods. That way I can teach you what I know, and maybe learn something from you. Thats only if you want to, we will make it a journal so we can constantly swap pictures and ask questions and we can post everything that we are doing and whats happening with the plant. BUT LIKE I SAID.....only if your interested, no need to feel pressured, if your not interested it will not offend me nor hurt my feelings

Of course I'm in. (I almost said "far out")
And I think I still have my Great Escape soil discard pants too.
But why? I mean I did see your bud porn from those soil grows but I thought your DWC went smooth and with superb results.
Is it the taste? aroma? burn?

My first grow was Northern Lights 4 years ago but boy, did I luck out. It was incredible, had it all, taste, aroma, buzz, even appearance was stunning. But it's been slowly downhill ever since. You're point on this, I'll follow your lead.

two months... I still want to try the DWC but I'll scale back and use bag seed instead just to get something going in there again. If I flower in 2 months, me and the veg room would be ready. It would also be a great LED vs HPS/MH comparison too. Yup, I'm liking this. I have those barney blister packs you saw and 10 pk ultra (whatever that is) I'd even like to use the same seed but that's too much information, how the hell would I get them to you?

 

[Rosebud]

far out is correct, awesomeness abounds.. Kraven that is so cool of you to do. Sopappy you are in good hands.
I just want to say I am glad both of you found MP.... FAR OUT!!!

 

[sopappy]

far out is correct, awesomeness abounds.. Kraven that is so cool of you to do. Sopappy you are in good hands.
I just want to say I am glad both of you found MP.... FAR OUT!!!

I'm thinking he may have just finished a bowl when he wrote that so I won't hold him to it but it would be pretty cool alright.

They heard me down there. At least 3 are looking much more vibrant but too little, too late..., why oh why didn't I experiment with these instead of those femmed blisterpacks ???? duuuuuuuumb

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[sopappy]

I bit the bullet, put on 'take me to the river' and set about giving last rites to the poorest of the lot. I tugged and it was a struggle.

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[sopappy]

I'm going to start a couple of buckets, just a simple drip system, something like this.
(Kraven, I'm still up for the soil in couple o' months, I'll have room)

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[Kraven]

I'm thinking he may have just finished a bowl when he wrote that so I won't hold him to it but it would be pretty cool alright.

They heard me down there. At least 3 are looking much more vibrant but too little, too late..., why oh why didn't I experiment with these instead of those femmed blisterpacks ???? duuuuuuuumb

Naa I'm for real, I'm thinking of growing BF night shade, we will just grow together, would not want to take any of your beans. It will be like a "Bro Grow"...whew I'm stoned and that's what I just decided we should name the thread

 

[sopappy]

Naa I'm for real, I'm thinking of growing BF night shade, we will just grow together, would not want to take any of your beans. It will be like a "Bro Grow"...whew I'm stoned and that's what I just decided we should name the thread

Bro Grow? hahaha, yup, your plants are pretty good to you alright. Personally, I'm doing a flush, cold turkey, from more than a gm/day to zip, almost 4 weeks now but enough is ENOUGH... I am REALLY looking forward to this weekend. :yay:
Oh, that reminds me, I don't think I saw any Humble Pie on that Hamster Lewis thread. I gotta put "30 days is the hole" up there, check it out (after a wake & bake).... alright Ted

 

[Rosebud]

Love the bro grow!!!!

 

[sopappy]

Naa I'm for real, I'm thinking of growing BF night shade, we will just grow together, would not want to take any of your beans. It will be like a "Bro Grow"...whew I'm stoned and that's what I just decided we should name the thread

Kraven, drag that Dr Green fellow over here to look at these buckets with the control bucket and re-circulating pump. It seems to me it would solve some problems but it uses a drip to feed the buckets which apparently means you don't need air stones. I'm trying two buckets with a control bucket (but I'm not using a submersible pump like you see in the picture) under one of my LEDs.
BUT I was following your discussion re using 18 gal totes so I don't want to drill my buckets until y'all comment. No pressure though, I can wait.

Speaking of pressure, buddy dropped by with my score for this weekend, I only wanted 7g because I'm broke with money wasted on seeds and coco disaster. He gave me 4 different strains of (get this) 1.75g each, a buffet for pete's sake and I'm trying to wait until Saturday morning.... aaaaarrrrggggghhhhh, it's been THIRTY DAYS.... it's 6pm Thursday....

tick tock tick tock
:bolt:

 

[Dr. Green Fang]

Yeah... first of all, don't wait. Go grab a smoking device and get the edge off. We'll all call it 30 days and be good.

Second, hello. I'm here! Ok, drip system eh? I do not like drips anymore. They clog, sometimes dislodge and spray in the wrong directions (yikes!), they have a tendency to promote bugs by keeping your top layer wet. There's more reasons, but I generally stay away from it now.

My "dream hydro" setup, is one I was already running, just a bit redesigned. It only works if you have room for your control res, but basically you use a control reservoir outside of the containers, and have it all interconnected with 1" or larger pipe. 2" is preferable, as seen in your first picture. But, this has to be done properly, and there's loads of videos out there describing this system. It's called Under Current and also known as RDWC. I prefer DWC in large containers with access ports now! Less places for algae to build up. Less chance of a "miss flow" with pumps from Under Current (control res overflow or something of the sort). With loads of air, and lots of room for the root mass to grow, you promote a large / healthy canopy.

I do not like 5 gal buckets, as I believe there needs to be way more room for roots, and the solution they should be held in. 5 gal DWC will drink a LOT and very fast from mid flowering on, and it's rather annoying to add back every day. 5 gals will work for RDWC though, like you have shown, but again.. there's many factors that work against RDWC in my opinion. Straight DWC is wonderful. Another thing that's rather nifty is Flood and Drain table, but that's a bit of a pain in the butt as well. I use Flood n Drain for my veg setup, and it's seeming to work pretty nice. Feeds from the bottom, and the 15 gal control res under the table has 4 air stones in it.

The problem I have with control res's under plants during flowering is... you're exceedingly limiting your vertical height. Unless you're in a warehouse or place with raised ceilings, but if you're in a tent, forget it! The 18 gal totes only allow for so much vertical growth as it is. But, with those, I've managed a few runs with 7 - 10 oz's per single plant. I can not wait to get back to that... I went soilless (again.. was that at first) over the last half a year, and it's been just horrible the entire time. Piss poor yields and fighting issues left and right. You find an issue, it takes longer to correct in things other than Hydro. Hydro is so much more invigorating and "precise" to me. But, honestly, to each their own you know? Many members on here have run some stuff that will blow you away when you look at how healthy and big / frosty it is.. and they are organic!

Any questions about water, I'm always around! Also, please check my grow journals from the past. I've done a lot of in detail journals.

http://www.marijuanapassion.com/forum/search.php?searchid=1593399

That link should show you all threads started by me.

This one specifically may interest you:
http://www.marijuanapassion.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66411

Will check your thread more and see if I can add anything else. :aok:

 

[sopappy]

I'm hanging on by my fingernails... the monkey is making some pretty persuasive arguments.... but this caught my eye and I must ask:

"The 18 gal totes only allow for so much vertical growth as it is"

Does this mean the 5 gal would allow for even less vertical growth? I only have a 7 foot ceiling, the LED hang about a foot below that and the bucket is a foot tall...
I'd be happy with 3 or 4 foot plant.... would it be shorter than that in 5 gal?

I'll have more questions likely but I'm going to try listening to Laquerhead... if that doesn't quiet that yammering monkey, I likely won't be back tonight

This is MUCH appreciated. I'm most impressed with what you and Kraven are doing so I want to digest all this and walk through those threads. I should post a picture of my rooms as well. I can't afford another false start.

 

[Dr. Green Fang]

Honestly, if you listen to my (or others whom are knowledgeable) advice, it's really going to help you in the long run.

5gal bucket and 18 gal tote are almost the exact same height. You have the same ceiling as me, so you'll be getting 3 1/2 - 4 foot plants, just maximize your horizontal growth. I don't do scrog with DWC, though now I could because of my 4" access ports. I do major LST and super cropping, along with round(s) of FIM / topping in veg.

What I ment by "only allow so much growth" is that, the larger container you use, the more vertical height you have to sacrifice. It's only inches, but inches count when we have a 7' ceiling right? hah. It's nothing much to worry about. I've hit 10.2 oz's on a single plant (1 out of 4 in the tent) doing the 18 gal totes. others have hit 7.1 and in that range. Highest yield with hydro in my 4x4 has been 27oz, and I hope to crush that this year.

 

[Kraven]

Honestly, if you listen to my (or others whom are knowledgeable) advice, it's really going to help you in the long run.

5gal bucket and 18 gal tote are almost the exact same height. You have the same ceiling as me, so you'll be getting 3 1/2 - 4 foot plants, just maximize your horizontal growth. I don't do scrog with DWC, though now I could because of my 4" access ports. I do major LST and super cropping, along with round(s) of FIM / topping in veg.

What I ment by "only allow so much growth" is that, the larger container you use, the more vertical height you have to sacrifice. It's only inches, but inches count when we have a 7' ceiling right? hah. It's nothing much to worry about. I've hit 10.2 oz's on a single plant (1 out of 4 in the tent) doing the 18 gal totes. others have hit 7.1 and in that range. Highest yield with hydro in my 4x4 has been 27oz, and I hope to crush that this year.

:yeahthat:

http://www.marijuanapassion.com//www.pinterest.com/pin/create/extension/

 

[sopappy]

Cheese :vap-red vapor:

:holysheep:

I have a shitload of reading to do, in the meantime, I'll post before I do anything.
I still have those coco plants, I can't bring myself to kill something that's growing. I should post another picture and take poll.

 

[Kraven]

:48:

I'm sooooo stoned.

 

[Dr. Green Fang]

Me too Kraven! Cindy 99 rippin' me up right now!

 

[sopappy]

Shortest acid trip I ever had

 

[sopappy]

If anybody wants to play, I am posting two pictures of my coco disaster. Some of the plants in the picture taken about 2 weeks ago were 2 - 4 weeks old and suffered through at least 3 flushes to clean up the coco. (got it down to 100 ppm)
This latest picture is 2 weeks later and the most growth was in the last 3 days, their color is not so great but some seem lively enough. Any hope at all?
Or is the end product pretty much going to suck no matter what I do now?

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[Kraven]

:farm::cool2:

 

[sopappy]

one thumbs up... I think I lost my audience hahaha
but good enough for me. They look pretty darn good and I'm going to press on with.... wait for it.... hempy buckets.... I've sealed a dozen of my old 3 qt pots and I'm going use up my coco and perlite and just see what happens. I'm not looking forward to the transplant though, I'm afraid the medium will just fall through my hands!