My First Grow All Under $40

[janusx]

Help!!! My once beautiful plants look like hell!

So here's the facts. I noticed yellowing on the older lower leaves, so I did research, concluded nitrogen def., bought bloodmeal, sprinkled 2 tbsp on each plant's soil. After hearing that the problem would get worse with that much, i scraped the top bloodmeal off, and just watered alot the next 2 days. I haven't fed the plants anything else, I just planted the seeds in miracle grow soil, and 1 week ago sprinkled the bloodmeal. thats IT! Now the bottom leaves are falling off on the shorter VERY GREEN plant, and the Tall plant's older leaves are yellowing/browning. On top of that, the plants leaves are curling up at the ends and tips and it's just a MESS!!! Also, in the last week, except for one getting taller, i haven't noticed hardly any growth. HELPPP!!

Do you guys think there is any hope left?

 

[Bubby]

My once beautiful plants look like hell!

You should see mine.

They can definitely recover from that, if you fix the problem. I'm no good with dirt, so maybe some others will chime in with a topsoil recipe or something..

My mothers are in dirt, and the nutrients were used up a long time ago, so when they start getting hungry I feed them a small dose (200 - 300 ppm) of a hydro solution I have. It's 'perfectly balanced', so I don't have to worry about too much N, or too little P, etc.

 

[Growdude]

It doesnt look like N defficancy to me, N deff. makes the lower leaves pale yellow but not like yours. And generally the plant looks pale green, yours look dark.
Im leaning toward nute burn but that will show on other leaves as well not just the bottom.

Just look at new growth as the bottom leaves that are yellow wont green back up.

 

[janusx]

ok i'll give it time, i hope they pull threw it just fine, so i guess i should start using some kind of nutrient setup, what do you guys recommend for my case that I could pickup from home depot, lowes, walmart?

Update: I've found a good place where I'm at that caries Foxfarm products, like Big Bloom and the works, so I'm sure they got other good ferts that I could use and a much better selection than depot/lowes would have. So if you guys could give me an idea for my stage and future stages of what I should pickup while i go there tomorrow, I'll share my growings with you!!!! ok maybe not:ignore:

 

[THE BROTHER'S GRUNT]

Here is a link to some Fox Farm products. http://www.foxfarmfertilizer.com/products_liqfert1.html

 

[janusx]

Ok all, I went to the nursery, they didn't carry anymore foxfarm products, but they reccommended this stuff for "my kind of grow" (they knew what was up)

so i got a container of "SUPERthrive" and a container of "OMRI Alaska Fish Fertilizer NPK 5-1-1 organic fish emulsion.

I haven't got epsom salts yet, which i plan to do in the next few days to take care of magnesium.

This is what i plan to do with approval from the pros! I plan to take a gallon container that's been sitting out for 3 days with tap water and apply 2 - 3 drops of the superthrive, then add 4 teaspoons of the Omri fish firt to the same gallon of water, then water my baby's back to perfection. Does that sound about right?

 

[Hick]

"I" have had ..less than positive results from the ST. Others here have positive reports, NOT me.
Make sure to check your ph after adding that fish emulsion to your water, too.

 

[janusx]

ok, also do you guys think in just a few days I can start the flowering 12/12 cycle? it's been about 32 days since they first sprouted.

EDIT: I just happened to go plucking at the soil, and while there are no bugs there, i notice a lot of worms, very small tiny tiny white worms in the soil, is this normal with MG soil from walmart???

 

[Hick]

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeekk...:shocked: they sure do NOT belong there...
My initial guesse would be either fungus gnats or white flies. It is their larvae stage you see in the soil.
Do a quick search...you'll find several posts dealing with them..

 

[janusx]

ok thanks man I really appreciate the info, that answers the question of why I saw gnats a few posts back. The soil seems to be infested pretty bad, i'd say like 5-6 larvae every square inch, that might be a contributing factor of why i haven't seen much of a plant growth in either plant. I'm gonna start watering from the bottom, and in the meantime, i don't want to drive 20 miles to this nursery again for more supplies lol so i'm gonna just see what kind of treatment i can find similar to the gnatrol/Diatomaceous Earth stuff at the local lowes.

This journal I think is a good example for new growers considering I seem to make all the "common" mistakes first time growers make. I plan next year around this time to do another grow after this one is completed, you really learn a lot that first disaster

I also bought some 2 five gallon containers, and I'm gonna pickup some MG Organic soil and fill them puppies up and transplant them as soon as this bug problem is taken care of, I want my plants to feel free to grow big Also, this whole grow I've not had a fan on them at all, so my next step is going to radioshack and getting a 12v adapter so i can power a spare pc fan

 

[HGB]

1/2 to 1 inch of sand on top of the soil :hubba:

like morter sand.... they cant get thru it when they hatch, and die off

the plant looks to be -mg to me...1/2 table spoon epson salt/gallon of water will fix it right up either as a foiler spray or in the soil

peace

 

[janusx]

Well everyone, bugs are gone, plants are greener than ever, and they are lookin GREAT!! they are each 2 feet tall, one is actually about 2.5 feet tall today, and I JUST put them on 12/12 light today, today is day 38 of Vegetative cycle, or actually 1st day of Flower cycle

I once again want to thank everyone who's contributed to this forum

 

[GrandDaddyToke]

Man I made all the mistakes on my first grow too. The most important thing I learned was soil and nutrients. Go with all Fox Farm products and see the results. Plan ahead and have all that you will need. FF has a grow chart that tells you what nutrients to add @ what time of the grow. This has helped me a lot. With all the experienced growers on this site that are willing to look @ your grow and give you grate advice you can't go wrong. Check out my second grow and see what you think.

GOOD LUCK​

GROW JOURNAL:watchplant:
http://www.marijuanapassion.com/forum/showthread.php?p=132684#post132684

 

[allgrownup]

I think you should rinse your roots clean, and replace those plants into clean soil asap.

huh.....you just gave me an idea as well....i'll post it on the coffee table.

anyway, yeah back to your soil, worms don't feed on dirt per say

Their nutrition comes from things in soil, such as decaying roots and leaves. Animal manures are an important food source for earthworms. They eat living organisms such as nematodes, protozoans, rotifers, bacteria, fungi in soil. Worms will also feed on the decomposing remains of other animals. something was in that soil and anything other than earthworms would be enough to make me change it pronto. Its possible that roots are the only food source left in that pot. Worms get hungry

Transplant and try to get a consistent watering/feeding schedule using ph'd water. Try to get you light within a couple inches of the plant cola's. Those cfl's wont burn your leaf and you need as tight as budz as possible. Try to focus the majority of the lumens where the majority of the payoff will come from.

best of luck

 

[janusx]

Thanks for the tips, I will get right to that.

As a little update, i do plan to transplant real soon, I still am unable to locate foxform products in my area, although there still are 2 places left that foxfarm's website says they carry it. I bought about 10 gallon's worth at homedepot of MG Organic soil, so i'm gonna plant my babies in 5 gallon pots as soon as I can confirm the sex in around 5 days.

For lighting, I went out and bought another shoplight, this one is one of the reflective bowl kind, and i bought a 4th cpl light, $10 at walmart, the 42W CPL bulb, so that makes three 27W cpl and one 42W cpl shinining on my beauts. To make things easier I went out and got an automatic timer so I don't have to worry about my plants getting the proper light schedule. This thread's title is very misleading, as I'm in to this project about $100 now

 

[allgrownup]

turn that light and reflector into a "quad cfl" setup.

also, if you can save up 100 more dollars, you should by an HPS light. there is no comparison to the quality and yeild.


the cheapest ways will cost you the most in the long run.....trust me. as you keep upgrading your methods you will be replacing items you already have. Its far better to just save and buy what you need. Save for that light man. You'll thank yourself in the long run.

cfl's are ok but by the time you had 8 -10 of them and all the hardware to set'm up right, you could have just bought a 400W HPS.

Keep them lights close!

peace

 

[janusx]

well, both turned out to be males:fid:

I'm going to try one more time since I still have everything i need, just using some seeds leftover from last attemp that I never tried to germinate.

I haven't killed the males yet, I will sometime today, but I will say, they do look green and full and healthy.

 

[Growdude]

well, both turned out to be males:fid:

I'm going to try one more time since I still have everything i need, just using some seeds leftover from last attemp that I never tried to germinate.

I haven't killed the males yet, I will sometime today, but I will say, they do look green and full and healthy.

Sorry to hear about your plants,the good thing is you learned alot and you now know you can grow some nice looking plants.
Females next time!

 

[janusx]

hey everyone! I just wanted to stop by and tell everyone that I did indeed begin to grow again, and that i'm about 2.5 weeks into flowering and that this time I got 2/3 females!!! One is doing very well with the white hairs sprouting everywhere, but I have myself a dilemma. I know it depends on the strains and conditions but roughly the flower cycle should be around 8-10 weeks. Well On december 17/18 I have to boogie on out of here on vacation and that means that I can only flower up until 6 weeks before I have to cut them down because i CANNOT leave them growing where they are because of maintenance checks. So, question is, even though they will be a couple weeks short, and not amber in color instead of white, will i still get a high from them if I dry them out over a period of 2-4 weeks?

Thanks alot everyone!

Oh and by the way, using all the techniques in this forum and my own mistakes from last time as reference, I must say I haven't run into any problems so far at all

 

[POTDOC]

well they wont be near as strong but they will be decent smoke