Dreaming Big 2.0

[MtnStew]

So out of nowhere I noticed that she's reverted back to 3 leaf sets. Overall looks healthy but all new growth accept the main colas have 3 leaf sets established and forming. Cola has 4 leaf sets. The 5s are old growth previous to supercropping.
I read this can be due to change in light schedule which I have been at 24/0 for over a month since we got it. We did just turn them up last week from 40% to 50% for a few days and settled at 60% which gave us 40 DLI for that plant is week 5-6.
Has anyone experienced this. I wouldn't have even noticed it if I didn't take a dozen leaves off to open up light to bud site development areas.

It still looks healthy so I'm not overly concerned.

 

[MtnStew]

It sat at 58% most of the day yesterday. We moved the humidifier and dehumidifier around. But our temps are dropping again which is pulling us out of the ideal VPD range. I'll head back over there this morning and try to fix that.

 

[MtnStew]

Red line, 5:45AM "Steve" moves the dehumidifier to the center of the current grow area. He also turned the humidifier knob down from 75% to 25%. (Not smart humidifier, it's a stupid one with no control or sensors for RH.)

Yellow line, 10:35AM I enter with a second box fan and a heater with auto settings. Heater gets set to 71°F and I waited for it to turn off before leaving to verify autonomy. Kicks back off at 73° near the heater which is on the opposite side of the grow room from the plants. I refilled the humidifier and turned it up to 50%.

Heater has kicked back on twice since I left. Should be back on again very soon. Each time it drops the humidity down about 5-10% but still keeps the VPD within range for veg.

 

[MtnStew]

I'm really hoping that the proof is enough to convince "STEVE" that I know what I'm doing.. I may be new to his setup but I know how to dial in a room.
The red line is my adjustments yesterday. Added a heater set to 71°F, added a second box fan and turned up the first to move more air to even the temp out across the whole room, and turned the humidifier down slightly.
Yellow line is him getting home, turning the heater up to 73°F, turned the second fan off and the other down from 3 to 1.
Red line is approximately 12 hours from 10:30am to 10:30pm. Yellow line is overnight up until current time of day here.

Red line is 100% within ideal VPD the whole time. Dropped to the bottom and rose to the top of veg VPD but always in range.
His adjustments didn't help maintain the balance.
He woke up and checked the app. And sure enough, "I'm putting everything back the way you had it yesterday. Come over later and fix it if you want to. Not sure i can even get it set as close as you did yesterday"

Looking like we're transplanting the remaining 8 plants tonight as well. 7 gallon for autos and 3 gallon for photos. I'll catch you all tonight with an update.

 

[Hippie420]

Two cooks in the same kitchen never work out.

 

[MtnStew]

Two cooks in the same kitchen never work out.

He called me again and said "Please just come fix it. I'll leave it alone unless you ask me to do something."
We went 12 hours with only a low CO² alarm in the trolmaster system. Then 8 alarms for high humidity overnight. He understands now.

 

[KGB]

Not trying to interfere but might I offer a suggestion?

Thats a concrete floor in the winter. Have you considered insulating the floor? In your case I would use 1 1/2 to 2 inch dense foam insulation. Should give you an r-18 rating then put crap flooring on top where you walk so you don’t crush the foam.

The colder it is the more that concrete will sweat

Just my opinion

 

[greenmobster440]

So out of nowhere I noticed that she's reverted back to 3 leaf sets. Overall looks healthy but all new growth accept the main colas have 3 leaf sets established and forming. Cola has 4 leaf sets. The 5s are old growth previous to supercropping.
I read this can be due to change in light schedule which I have been at 24/0 for over a month since we got it. We did just turn them up last week from 40% to 50% for a few days and settled at 60% which gave us 40 DLI for that plant is week 5-6.
Has anyone experienced this. I wouldn't have even noticed it if I didn't take a dozen leaves off to open up light to bud site development areas.View attachment 367565View attachment 367566View attachment 367567View attachment 367568View attachment 367569
It still looks healthy so I'm not overly concerned.

She looks great. Ya did a nice job coaxing out her branches. I think it'll kick some normal leaf soon. It's just getting cracked back up.

 

[Hippie420]

Not trying to interfere but might I offer a suggestion?

Thats a concrete floor in the winter. Have you considered insulating the floor? In your case I would use 1 1/2 to 2 inch dense foam insulation. Should give you an r-18 rating then put crap flooring on top where you walk so you don’t crush the foam.

The colder it is the more that concrete will sweat

Just my opinion

If the concrete is where the humidity is coming from, I think an epoxy floor finish would probably work.

 

[MtnStew]

"Return of the Thrips" Christmas special.
THIS WEEKS EPISODE: FFFFFFFFFFAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHKKKKKKKKKKKK.
So no signs of infestation but those fudging things are STILL on the SkunkOG. I've been all over that plant for days and saw nothing. Then today I noticed them in the vein of one of the stems of a 5 leaf set near the main top. I was simply twisting the leaf stem to open up a spot a little and they started moving
Spinosad bath incoming.
Sad because we have seedlings that won't handle the bath well but it's gotta get done.
Removing the humidifier for a couple days and blacking out the room for 24 hours while they die.
IMO 78-84%RH the other night caused this resurrection. They were probably there undetected and I just missed it.
I'd say soil, but the ProMix we have is new. And they were infested in solo cups from the person we got em from.. So we just missed a couple I guess.
If anyone has any other ideas. Get them in within the next hour. I gotta go back over there and take care of this mess.

 

[MtnStew]

If the concrete is where the humidity is coming from, I think an epoxy floor finish would probably work.

Not trying to interfere but might I offer a suggestion?

Thats a concrete floor in the winter. Have you considered insulating the floor? In your case I would use 1 1/2 to 2 inch dense foam insulation. Should give you an r-18 rating then put crap flooring on top where you walk so you don’t crush the foam.

The colder it is the more that concrete will sweat

Just my opinion

The floor was previously sealed. Just hasn't been redone in 10 years. Infrared thermometer has the floor at a constant 58.3°F. With heater, without heater, with humidifier, without humidifier.



RH for the room without assistance(example: buckets of water, trays of water under lights for natural evaporation, humidifier, etc.) Sits at 21% all day. That's with or without all lights at 100%. He's actually had more of a low humidity problem in the past.



Humidity is coming from a cheap bedroom humidifier with a knob that only controls how much vapor comes out. It is a constant humidifier and does not shut off at any point unless empty.



Getting a new heater and humidifier tomorrow to help with the future of this grow.



Ordering the DSH-1 plug for the TrolMaster Hydro X controller so that the humidifier will turn on and off with the controller settings. Instead of its own independent sensor that may not be equal to the controller.

 

[MtnStew]

Seedlings saved.

 

[KGB]

Had aphids on an older cottonwood tree and bought a box of these. They ate em all

 

[MtnStew]

Had aphids on an older cottonwood tree and bought a box of these. They ate em all

I warned him that his house is about to get infested. I'm releasing the whole box of 1500 in the room and dozens are going to escape everytime he opens the door. cat and dog should have fun chasing them around for a few weeks till they all die off.

 

[greenmobster440]

Damn bugs. Santa sucks

Let the bodies hit the floor!

That's why I prefer seed over a clone when swapping things with folks. I'd feel pretty bad if I infested someone's garden unintentionally of course but still.

 

[MtnStew]

We're sure this was intentionally done. One clone was a male and both were infested from the start. $100 for both, bought off the Facebook marketplace
We thought we fixed it and just out of nowhere I noticed it still not clear. She was soaked. Seedlings all got transplanted. Feminine flyers(lady bugs ) purchased to finish whatever doesn't die.
We need to be bug free before turning on the cloner. Tonight was spinosad. Tomorrow lights back on. Friday were gonna spray again but with Athena IPM.

Bugs should arrive just after Santa so we'll most likely be good before the year ends.
Might spray again "better safe than sorry" after the lady bugs disappear. Especially with the autos being in there. Don't want thrips in my bud.

 

[MtnStew]

Getting there. Lights back on. Forgot to tell him to turn the humidifier back on. I'll go take care of that.

 

[greenmobster440]

Being the grow boss comes with its checklists of undone or forgotten tasks...lol.

You have way more patience than I..lol I'm a nice easy going laid back guy but on the other hand when in the grow room I am a total control freak. Open-minded control freak but freak none the less..lol

 

[MtnStew]

The plants that were already transplanted prior to yesterday got soaked down with spinosad. Soil and every mm of plant covered. Walls and floor of the entire room were soaked down as well. Humidity jumped to 70+ for a majority of the overnight hours. Finally trickled down to 58.1% by lights on this morning. And then came under control after the humidifier was turned back on and the heater was replaced.
Sad news though...
Thrips not dead. Nymphs seen on more leaves today then yesterday. IPM tomorrow. Lady bugs ordered but won't arrive until 12/30 because of Santa and his mass amounts of toys ordered on Amazon that take priority. Apparently. Should have thought more about the strike before making the purchase but oh well. Too late now.

Smaller one is Plushberry. Bigger 3 are Lemon Lime Sherbert 1, 2, and 3.

Ultra Lemon Haze 1 and 2(top and bottom)

Pineapple Express, Picante, and French Macaroon.

Dreamberry 1, 2, and 3.

I think I will get Nematodes Sf as well to make sure the soil is pest free and they do not return.
Pretty sure the transplanted seedlings need nutes. We chose to go straight water for the transplants because of the toxicity we had with the Skunk. But the heater was replaced today and it is under control now so I don't see a problem with them getting watered again tomorrow.
So my wife bought my PAR meter on Amazon as a Christmas gift. It arrives tomorrow. Say bye bye to inaccurate apps. They may be close to accurate but none of them are as accurate as a real full spectrum PAR meter.

Has anyone used ladybug larvae? I'm wondering if I can get away with using those over the super expensive NeemAttack Sf.
If they work then I can save $20 at least.