Crossing a hermaphrodite with a female

[Tater]

Mass: thats another good point, lots of people confuse late sprouting pollen sacks with hermaphroditing, which isn't really the case. The topic is quite frankly extremely confusing especially with all the conflicting view points. I'll keep reading though and posting but only if you promise to keep correcting me lol. Nice thread, much better than the "kill all herms" mantra that many seem to follow.

 

[massproducer]

The other thing buddy, from finding your other post, i found out that it was blueberry that you had hermie on ya, the thing about blueberry is that it has a very high propensity to put out late flowering nanners because of its inbred genetics. This is very documented, and not really hidden from by the two major breeders of blueberry, which are DJ and dutch passion. I am not talking about femmed blueberry, i am talking about regular m/f blueberry. I don't think that this plant should have even been femmed because of its strong IBL status.

So with this I am not sure that you would not have had a similar situation with regular blueberry seeds.

 

[BuddyLuv]

This was not a few nanners inside a bud. This was full male clusters growing out of the bottom of each budding node. I understand if a nanner pops late in flowering because the plant senses a need to reproduce. These were full grown male clusters hanging right under the buds, not a single sac but more like bunches of grapes hanging down. I also spoke with Dutch Passion via email previous to my purchase. They told me they would be all female plants from genetically isolated females that were chemically forced to flower. I think maybe they are just getting lazy or just do not give two craps. Either way I learned a very important lesson, do not believe the HYPE. My Nirvana Bubblegum and White Widow are so far 100% female with no signs of any male flowers what so ever. I went through them with a fine tooth comb after th Blueberry incident.

 

[massproducer]

I am not really understanding how you could possibly miss full grown male branches? For these to be that mature they would have had to be forming around the same time as the females, as i said this just makes no sense to me. especially if you are saying that 5 seperate SEEDS have done this. Looking at the probablities of this happening naturally, even with very poorly made fems or even just using straight enviromental hermies is highly unprobable. Not all strains grow the same and some are very hard to grow, and are not really recommended for novice growers. For example Nevilles haze, I can almost gaurantee that 7 out of 10 growers that feel rather confident with their skills would totally ruin this plant, to the point where it is almost unsmokable. Anytime I get 5 plants like this, i would be forced to look at my situation. Now if you get a couple of flat out hermies right from the start then ok, but for them all to be hermied in the way that you speak, maybe this strain just didn't like your conditions.

The point being what you are saying is a very rare exception and very far from the norm. If it were not for a hermie we would not have some of the most popular strains around, like OG KUSH and Sour Diesel and a whole slew of others. I don't think there is any hype whatso ever

 

[BuddyLuv]

If you look at the pics in my grow you can see why I had missed the male parts. None of the branches formed above the canopy only below it. When I went to bend a few tops down to avoid the lamps that is when I could see the clusters. So I decided to look deeper and then I found nanners sticking out of the cola's. As far as room conditions I don't think they could be better.

Room 74"Lx72"Wx82"H
2 1000w Air cooled digital lamps
Aerojet 4
Temps 64/77 at the canopy main room temp is about 75
Humidity 45%-55%
Nutrients are all advanced nutrients only the WW ever showed signs of nute burn
Sensi 2 part
Cal Mg
Carbo load
sensizym
Big Bud
Overdrive
PPM 1400 on res changes
pH 5.5-6.0 between adjustments

 

[massproducer]

look buddy, i am not trying to argue, but I am saying that you are the exception and not the rule. This is truly the first time I have heard this, and as i said IMO, this is just my opinion, if I had a whole strain all go hermie in week 7, I would have to look at my situation. One of the reasons I switched to modular type hydro systems a while ago was because I found that putting different strains in the same system and treating them totally the same is far from optimal. From reading your thread, which is wonderful, you stated that you were more the type to just come in your grow room once a day to check the ph, but some strains need more attention then that.

You have to understand that I am not advocating everyone going out and buying femmed seeds, because frankly I would probably never BUY a femmed bean ever. I do however create my own femmed beans at times that cubing is not possible because I do not have the correct male, and at other times when I find 2 very special females that I would like to cross, as long as they fit the criteria. I have experimented with 1000's of my own personal femmed beans, and have personally taken them down to R3 and S3, and I have never experienced any problems until I get to R2/S2, and even then, just some of the plants are weaker and as such will hermie. Plants hermie as a response to something, not just because they feel like it. The problem is that unless you pay close attenion to all of the signals then you would never really know that your plants are not happy with a certain aspect of their life, because not unlike people, plants can be very good at hiding problems, if you are not perticularly looking.

But regardless, I am sorry to hear the bad news.

 

[BuddyLuv]

Here is a good question for you mass. Do you think the overdrive could have caused it? It is the only real change in the routine. They were actually doing the same as the rest until week 6 when I stopped using big bud and switched to overdrive for the last two feedings, then the flush. After that res change they seemed to stop in bud production and actually the pistils started turning amber.