215 Watt LED Grow

[Rogue]

The voltages depend on the LED and the manufacturer. My blues use 3.2 V, the Warm White uses 3.3 V, the bright white uses 3.4 V and the red 2 V all at 150ma.

From your numbers Gman I am guessing you are using the 5mm LEDs. If you are not already committed to them I would look at the 10mm 1/2W or 1W LEDs that are out. You get more light for less soldering. Also it is always a good idea to use a resistor in series with your LEDs as it helps prevent over currenting them as well as helps take part of any voltage spikes.

 

[papabeach1]

umm.. why use amp?

to me leds can live with 120 volts? just light and wires and plug with timer?

maybe some of little fuses like cars have ?

some cars use leds..

 

[Tater]

Yeah screw amps what do you need those for? To me you should be able to just power them with rainbows and wishes.

 

[The Hemp Goddess]

Yeah screw amps what do you need those for? To me you should be able to just power them with rainbows and wishes.

:rofl:

 

[WannaGetHigh]

can wait to see how these girls turn out best of luck

 

[Rogue]

Yeah screw amps what do you need those for? To me you should be able to just power them with rainbows and wishes.

I might get in trouble for passing this on but you seem like some one who really understands how the world works and I think you can handle knowing how electricity really works.

[FONT=trebuchet ms, Arial, Helvetica] ELECTRICAL THEORY OF SMOKE...BY JOSEPH LUCAS[/FONT]

Positive ground depends upon proper circuit functioning, the transmission of negative ions by retention of the visible spectral manifestation known as "smoke". Smoke is the thing that makes electrical circuits work; we know this to be true because every time one lets the smoke out of the electrical system, it stops working. This can be verified repeatedly through empirical testing.

When, for example, the smoke escapes from an electrical component (i.e., say, a Lucas voltage regulator), it will be observed that the component stops working. The function of the wire harness is to carry the smoke from one device to another; when the wire harness "springs a leak", and lets all the smoke out of the system, nothing works afterwards. Starter motors were frowned upon in British Automobiles for some time, largely because they consume large quantities of smoke, requiring very large wires.

It has been noted that Lucas components are possibly more prone to electrical leakage than Bosch or generic Japanese electrics. Experts point out that this is because Lucas is British and all things British leak. British engines leak oil, shock absorbers, hydraulic forks and disk brakes leak fluid, British tires leak air and the British defense establishment leaks secrets...so, naturally, British electronics leak smoke.

Author Unknown


The Theory Explained through Discussion.

When wires smoke, how come the smoke is not the same color as the wire?

This is not completely true. When the smoke is in the wire, it is under pressure (called voltage). The pressure difference causes the color to change from the normal color we are used to. Not unlike the blood in our veins and arteries changing color due to the oxygen content. When the smoke escapes the wire and is exposed to air, the pressure is released, and the color reverts back to what we commonly recognize as smoke. The wire then changes to the color of the smoke that escaped.

I hope this helps you understand.


I would only question the last sentence of that description. It has been my experience that the wire turns a color directly opposite of the smoke.

Not always true, I think it must depend on the composition of the smoke in question.


I should have made it a little clearer; the color the wire becomes, is directly proportional to the escape velocity of the smoke. Higher velocities generate higher heat. This heat tends to burn the wire and affect the coloring. The statement was meant to be a generalization, indicating the fact that the color of the wire does in fact change. Sorry for the miscommunication.

I was speaking of electrical smoke which is generally white. The spent smoke casing generally assumes a color somewhat near black after the smoke leaves.

I can't stand it anymore! If, as you say, light bulbs suck up darkness and convert it to smoke which is transmitted (via wire) to a power source for recycling...why do car batteries go dead when lights are left on? Do car batteries (and flashlight batteries for that matter) have a limited amount of storage capability? Is it like a hard drive that gets so full that you have to double-space and then lose all data?

Now you're getting it.......

I thought you guys were smarter than this. Of course the battery stores the smoke. In fact it can store so much smoke that if you open the top and light a match, the resulting explosion can do serious damage. I'm sure you are aware that usually where there's smoke there's fire. If you connect the battery to a charger, the smoke is then returned to the wire (Remember, a light bulb wont work unless it is connected to a wire system) for the utility companies to use. Your hard drive analogy is a very good example.

Our hardware guys might be onto something in their quest for superior wiring. I have noticed the unique method of of series/parallel wiring the power strips on our systems seems to prevent the smoke from getting out of the wires. A "Smoke Loop" of sorts. In the case of the "smoked" workstation recently, you should notice that this was a conventional single power strip installation.

Since color is percieved by the cone shaped receptors in our eyes, and cones require more light that their rod shaped counterparts. Is the sky blue at night?

At night the process including contraction of the pupil is visual purple by which the eye adapts to conditions of increased illumination when facing 300 candle power redeflecting devices.

Since there is a spectrum of light that we as humans cannot see, I support the theory that everything is going up in smoke, we just can't see it. This may explain why the neighbors dog barks for no apparant reason.

I think your basic understanding of smoke systems is remarkable. However I find a flaw with your theory. The battery is a reusable storage device for smoke. therefore, one would assume that some sort of one way valve (we can call it a diode) should be needed to prevent pressure flooding back into the system while at rest. Unlike the A/C system, the smoke system is collecting darkness at the headlights and converting it to smoke. This causes the system to fill up. The battery can contain much higher pressures and volumes than the wires. If this pressure exceeds the capacity of the wire, it will cause a rupture as you described. The rupture can be controlled by a sacraficial device known as a fuse. But this still doesn't eliminate the problem. Perhaps a two way valve (zener diode) is used to allow a small amount of pressure to return to the system, and partially equalize. I find this theory unlikely though, due to the increase in the force required to start the pump (which is now under pressure) working again...

The smoke continues circulating through the system, due to the pressure differential in the battery (smoke pressure/vacuum reservoir). When the reservoir becomes depleted, the pressure simply equalizes everywhere in the system (similar to an A/C system when it's turned off) and stuff just wont work. Notice the relations: Work (W) = Force (F) x Distance (D); Force (F) = total difference in pressure (Dp) x Area (A). Therefore, the work done in a pressure system is: Dp x A x D. If the pressure differential (Dp) is reduced to zero then W = 0 x A x D = 0.

The smoke only escapes the wires when a path is created between the pressure differential areas (@ either the reservoir or the pump) that has too little restriction. When this happens, the smoke travels through the wires so fast that the friction between the smoke and the outer walls of the wiring heats the wires until they rupture. The smoke continues to escape until its pressure is equalized with the atmosphere, or until the conduit that provides the path between pressure areas is severed. When this happens, the sudden drop in pressure allows the wires to "collapse" slightly and, being soo hot, as the edges of the ruptures and severed ends touch, the material becomes fused, sealing the system and retaining the remaining smoke.

Don't forget, when the system is at rest, all the valves, (switches and relays) are closed, keeping the pressure areas separated. When restarting the pump, as long as everything is OK, the smoke pressure is equal on both sides of the pump and there is no net force on the pump when it begins operating again. Also, within the pump there are pressure/volume actuated one-way valves with restrictors built in, arranged in such a way that they keep excess smoke volume recirculating through an integral smoke loop, which maintains the pressure within manageable limits.

The excess smoke, created by the light/smoke converters (headlights and other darkness absorbing devices), is changed back to darkness and dissipated in small unit concentrations so its dark effect is not locally observed. The smoke pump impeller (stator), converts smoke into magnetic flux which does work on the engine. Some of the excess work energy is dissipated through the cooling system and exhaust in the form of heat, while the remaining work energy is converted back to smoke and distributed evenly in small concentrations as you drive. This maintains the total quantity of smoke in the system at an average that does not change over time.


:rofl:

 

[Tater]

I have never seen that floating around before (hehe floating). This should be made a sticky. Please mods sticky this so that we don't have to keep explaining it over and over again.

 

[tesla]

Ok Just one question. The local grow shop is using the led lights(On Display) The dude is really pushing them. But the thing is the tomato plants look like crap. He says that it is normal and will not affect quality,quantity or taste>Pulls up a chair, let the grow and reports continue.

 

[Tater]

hahaha, yeah right. The way the plants look should speak volumes about his product. Sounds like he got suckered into buying some and now he's trying to unload them.

 

[isjusalickleherbmon]

more pics!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[isjusalickleherbmon]

more pics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[isjusalickleherbmon]

:confused2: :confused2: didnt mean to double post

 

[aaonehundred]

Pulling up a chair. . ..

 

[Rogue]

The plants are doing good I've been busy and haven't had time to do pictures will put a few up later today. I am going to switch to using two of the $20 HPS lights to flower on this run. After discussing and doing some testing on my LED board with a close family member I have discovered that I made some major mistakes in my wiring design. I am only getting about 30 to 40 percent of the light that my my board is capable of. So, I am going to re-wire it while this batch flowers.

 

[northernlightssmokn]

So how are they doing??

edit...Nevermind...lol...I posted this question before noticing that there were 5 more pages to the thred....HAHAHA...the reply box should be only at the last page on the thred...

Putting down the bong and stepping away from the computer.....:bong:

 

[Wiseguy_Chef]

yes yes where some bud porn bro, u know we are all perves an love to peak at mary-jane naked showing her big ol` bud (not mary-jane the member on the forms)

 

[Rogue]

Up date time.

Sorry for the delay in putting anything up. My day job has been real busy leaving little time to much more the keep my babies alive and smoke some when I get home.

I'm down to 5 plants now discovered a male yesterday. I also discovered a female as well. She is already showing a couple flowers.

I topped three of the remaining plants yesterday so I am going to wait a week and then flower. My plants are now under 2 of the $20 HPS bulbs with the reflectors they sell as an accessory. They are nice and bright but damn do they use the power.

I am not giving up on the LEDs. I discovered that I used the wrong specs when I wired them up and I am not getting the correct voltages and currents to them so they are not putting out more than about 40% of the light they should. So while this batch flowers under HPS I am going to do the fun business of completely re-wiring my board. It will be worth it in the end but I am not looking forward to it. I figure it will take me about 20 hours worth of work to cut them apart and then hook them back up correctly. Lesson learned always check your numbers twice when your not high when building something.

I will be doing weekly updates again as things have slowed down for the foreseeable future at my job.

 

[bombbudpuffa]

Looking good Rogue.

 

[Elven]

Good luck on the rewire! I know it will work out for the best. I just finally got my fog system working properly and I was starting to think I was nuts . well more nuts that I am.

 

[Dewayne]

they look pretty good...the results are doing better than when i first thought when i started reading this page. you can tell the stocks on the plant are a little thin and the plants are a little stretchy, and not so compact, probably due to the lack of efficient wattage. if it was 50 per sq ft instead of 35 watts...you'd prolly have something really good.

but on anynote...they look great and healthy, i'll have to see the yield good luck man!