Hick said:
"25 days in is too soon to be a 'mild hermie'"..that was the bases for my advice too, eman. ..that and the fact hat he has other females present.
"IF" it were an only plant, it might possibly be worth trying to save, but with the ever present possibility/probability of ruining the other 'true' fems, "I" wouldn't risk it.
"hermies are not that easy to 'cause'."...I believe, in fact.."true" females, will not hermie when stressed. I believe they 'must' be induced chemically in order to produce stamen. Now, if this is true, then introducing "that" pollen to another "true" female, should produce female seeds without the genetic hermie risk./tendancy. Am I right?..
I am NOT positive on this. I am poseing it more as a question for discussion, than fact..
Oh boy...this is going to be one of 'those' threads.
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Ever since my head first dive into breeding, I have been waiting to fire off some questions myself.
Wanna do some pondering together?
"IF" it were an only plant, it might possibly be worth trying to save, but with the ever present possibility/probability of ruining the other 'true' fems, "I" wouldn't risk it.
Exactly...other than attempting a reversal (genetic) of something VERY valuable, I see that plant above as a ticking time bomb.
.."true" females, will not hermie when stressed.
I am curious about that myself. I have done some 'tests'...not very nice, but also unsuccessful in producing hermies. I would tend to believe that breeders who use extreme chemicals to induce hermies would not do so if there were other options.
BUT...I have my doubts. Here is why:
Interesting about my 'new' avatar...the terminology is wrong. I probably won't change it, but I do understand the contradiction there. A 'landrace', in simplest terms, could be called an 'F2000+'. The definition in itself means a strain that has adapted to it's own native environment...preferably over 100 years (longer the better of course). By this thinking, I cannot actually 'preserve' a landrace...other than finding a 'Cali-Orange' P1 from a local outdoor grower. Of course, this would have to be a strain that has been kept pure (only inbred).
The resulting 'landrace', the way I see it, is actually VERY unstable. Any small changes in it's environment (such as <20 lattitude north) you would think would affect the genotype....would it not? In this regard, I can see how some strains such as 'thai' could be given the reputation for being hermie prone, plucked from the desert and attempted duplication in Holland? I would be upset too.
I think it is 'hybrid vigor' that keeps 'hermie tendencies' at bay, because of course, replicating another environment halfway around the world could be nearly impossible. An introduction of all new genes into a 'pool' that has been undisturbed for thousands of years you would think would make some serious waves....resetting the 'genotype' clock. I think 'moving' a landrace without doing this first, could cause hermies. I think the closer you get too pure 'indy' or pure 'sat'....or pure 'genotype', I think the chances of this happening increase. I base this on an past experience, but also on all the info out there that proves 'pure strains' (especially equatorials) are the most difficult to grow. A 'landrace' is 'locked' into it's environment by centuries of molding it's 'genotype'. Small changes should affect phenotypes, but 'hybrids' have 'several genotypes', and chances are, one will like you...but...I think disturbing a 'pure genotype' (landrace) is why sativas are prone to herm.
Now, if this is true, then introducing "that" pollen to another "true" female, should produce female seeds without the genetic hermie risk./tendancy. Am I right?..
Whatcha got Hick? Highland Thai? You messing around with blueberry?...hehe.
DJ. Short says a 'male gone hermie' must be used. To be honest with you, if your hermie is a sat-dom and goes 20 weeks, send it to me...might be worth it to me to try and tame it.:chuck:
HAHAHAHA...just kidding of course (am I? :evil: ) but I think you know what I mean....I pray I don't ever have to try this, but being a sat-lover I might. I think it is entirely possible though...I have been told that MJ for obvious reasons, would prefer to breed naturally. I also understand that 2% (approximately) of those 'feminised' seed will be male, and there is a good chance that these will NOT carry the hermie genetic. This in itself, is why I personally do not fear hermies. They are quite possibly the reason MJ has survived man's erradication attempts (if all strains have). I do not believe they are a 'dead end' to breeders either....but I think one had better be prepared to take on such a challenge....I would imagine it would be the hardest thing a breeder could attempt...so 'she' better be worth it.
Make any sense?
I may be wrong using 'genotype' where I did, but a landrace would not have a 'phenotype'...so is it not one big 'genotype'?
Thanks for stirring the brain this morning Hick, I love it!:aok: :smoke1:
