the worst day mad as hell!!!!!!!

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Hick said:
:hitchair: take THAT!!..banjO'
...was posted i jesst... but, I have to agree with mrpuff', "to a point".. though I wouldn't/don't condone a "beating", I certainly believe that 'corpral punishment' has it's place, and can be a beneficial deterant in society.
"I" think social services needs a "spanking".. :p
 
wow guys
i believe in a butt spanking when need to be ,,,,,but back in 2000 my oldest had stole some pot off of my brother thru the thanksgiving break and toke it to school and got caught,,, when i got that boy home that day i beat the living hell out of him and i mean beat the living hell out of him,,, sent him to school the next day and bye 10:00 that morning i had to cops at my door wanting to take me to jail saying i went over board and maybe i did,,,, but at the time i thought it was for a good reason,,, either way for the next 2 months i had children services at my house once a week,,,,,, so i had to find other ways of punishment,,,,, i do believe there is to many ppl tring to tell ppl how to take care of their children,,, but in the same breathe,,, i do agree with the ppl that want to make sure kids are safe,,,, there are way to many ppl that hurt and even causes death to kids,,,, you know dough how far is to far or even crossing that line,,, for ppl to get in others lives
 
annscrib said:
wow guys
i believe in a butt spanking when need to be ,,,,,but back in 2000 my oldest had stole some pot off of my brother thru the thanksgiving break and toke it to school and got caught,,, when i got that boy home that day i beat the living hell out of him and i mean beat the living hell out of him,,, sent him to school the next day and bye 10:00 that morning i had to cops at my door wanting to take me to jail saying i went over board and maybe i did,,,, but at the time i thought it was for a good reason,,, either way for the next 2 months i had children services at my house once a week,,,,,, so i had to find other ways of punishment,,,,, i do believe there is to many ppl tring to tell ppl how to take care of their children,,, but in the same breathe,,, i do agree with the ppl that want to make sure kids are safe,,,, there are way to many ppl that hurt and even causes death to kids,,,, you know dough how far is to far or even crossing that line,,, for ppl to get in others lives



Im sorry to hear that :(. :48:
 
i should know better,but welll, might as well not be growing then, cause if i started administering whip downs on my child, i can only imagine what would come next, jail, leo visiting my home, cps, anger mgmt. classes, courts,hearings, payments to state for foster-care,visiting my child when told i can, amongst a longer list of other things. there are many ways to punish a child without violence. sorry for your troubles ann,and if i offended any one, sorry for that too. this is MY opinion...
 
Ann what a thing to go through !! Sorry to hear but I can relate to some what.!
My granddaughters 4 month old girl and a 10 yr old girl was living with us off and on and her mom went to jail and her aunt went and got welfare and took the kids to her house and when this aunt got sick she asked us to help her and take the girls for awhile and sure we said ! Then when she was getting better she wanted to take the girls back and the oldest DIDN"T want to go back and the last weekend before she left, she had a girlfriend over tthat night and about 1;30am I get up for bathroom run and notice the light over the stove on and I went to check it out and the girls was Gone and my front Gate wide open and I woke the wife up and the keys were in the car turned in acc. way and she tryed to take the car but couldn't we started calling all the firends she knew and family and then a few hours later we had to call the cops and when they got here they LOOKED in every crack and room there was !!!!
I wasn't growing or anything but I just picked up my 1/2lb for the month and it had a smell I had to take that out of the house and bag it over and over and put in the bottom of the trash can !

I was soooo mad over all of this that the cops found them at her other grandpas house and they DIDN"T even call me to let me know and walk 1 mile to a pay phone in high heels to get there !!!!!! The cops came don on them for not letting us know !!! SOOOO did weeeee!!!
 
Raising children starts an infant,
can't expect to be start "teaching" kids in their teens
after they are already out of control.

Im curious, where is his father??

Children need to learn to respect their parent, and border line
have fear of them also. If a child dont respect/fear their parents,
think they will give a crap about other people and the law?

I dont mean to offend people, but I deal with the public @ work.
And believe me, i see first hand. THe out of control kids with no
rule or discipline, being insubordinate/disrespectful and out right being
bad, while clueless parents sit there and take the parent abuse.

its sad and disheartening to know how rampant stuff like this is in the
USA.
 
MrPuffAlot said:
I dont mean to offend people, but I deal with the public @ work.
And believe me, i see first hand. THe out of control kids with no
rule or discipline, being insubordinate/disrespectful and out right being
bad, while clueless parents sit there and take the parent abuse.

ok not tring to offend anyone at but.........

mr puff you work with the public and see all the out of control children,,,,,, then you MUST know this anit 1900,01,02 ect.... its 2008 and now days you beat your kid down like you are saying and YOU WILL BE IN JAIL... and I do know what im saying,,,, its not like the old days when you could beat ur kid and make them fear ya,,,,, you try that now and either you will be in jail or ur kids will be takin away,,,,, ok im srry but im not going to jail nor am i not going to take chance of my children being takin from me.....

kids do stupid things hes 15 and this is 1st time ever getting in any kind of trouble at all he make a's and b's he lost his truck he has a job that he is putting half his check away each time he gets paid for when he does go to court he knows what he did was wrong,,, hes done worte 2 500 word essay talking about what he and how he can keep from it happening again and so on
 
Face it the kid is way to old for a *** kicking if you feel it is nessecery to give him one go ahead. But to sit him down work with him on how what he did was wrong on how he can make amends with what he did IMO hard laborer through out the summer.(Paying for slashed tires aint cheap and paint jobs) I think it would build more character then beating him would. Plus he may have felony offenses on him btw if they play to charge him. I think more then ever he needs you right now to talk some sense into him.
 
I think 'that' incident occured several years ago hydro'. ;)
..annas working on a whole 'nuther child now..:p
 
Hick said:
I think 'that' incident occured several years ago hydro'. ;)
..annas working on a whole 'nuther child now..:p

lol hick yes nuther children but hydro is talking about the right kid the 15 year old and what i call the painter and his partner in crime is the slasher the other kid is 14 these 2 are really very good kids they just did something stupid

yes he is looking at 1 felony

now my 18 year old is another whole other story
 
I understand anna'. Haveing raised or taken part in rearing 5 boys(2 o' hers 'n 3 o' mine). They all have personalities, each is different. gotta respect that ;)
 
thats why i can not have kids. sorry to hear about that. so sad. better to be safe though. good luck
 
Personally i like the way my parents did it.
If you did something wrong you got 1 crack on the butt and asked why you got it.
Never made the same mistake twice.
 
my dad never whipped me,but my mom sure gave me some.but i never got one i didn't ask for.and actually i should have gotten more than i did.my parents are gone nowmbut i will respect them forever for all they did for me.
 
Folks, using physical violence against a person is the last resort of a person who has run out of the ability to use their brain and form logic.

I don't want to get into a pissing contest about it, but in the 18 years of raising my son, while he lived in my home, I never once, NOT ONCE used physical violence on him.

Sure, hitting people works. So does cutting off their fingers or hands. Hell folks, if they're really, really bad, you can cut their freaking heads off like the savages in sand land.

What I used is MY brain and my child's brain, combined with logic, discipline, consistency and fairness.

I'll explain; When he was too young for logic, I simply used examples to teach. If he cried as a means to gain attention, I gave him no attention until he stopped crying. After determining if he had a reason to cry, and didn't, I put him into a dark (nightlight), quiet room until he stopped crying. Since part of the reason was that usually he was just tired and had become "grumpy", he slept and woke feeling better. Then he was allowed to join the rest of the family and enjoy life.

If he did something that was unfair to another person, into the room he went. He was taught that "If you want to enjoy your life among other people, you have to consider their lives as well as your own". He learned this through example, as I stated above, until he was old enough to understand the spoken word at about 3 years old.

From that age until even now, (in his 40's), I've always explained how I felt about various situations to him in a fair, logical manner. Then, I asked him HIS opinion of the same situation and if he still didn't understand it in a way that would make him a thoughtful, fair and understanding person, I EXPLAINED IT AGAIN IN DIFFERENT WORDS.

You guessed it; this all took time. Sometimes I missed something I had planned for myself to enjoy. TOUGH CRAP. I brought my son into the world, and it was my responsibility to make him into a person who in turn would be responsible, thoughtful, fair and considerate of others. That sometimes takes a LOT OF TIME, and you miss other things. Too bad. So sad. Children deserve to be raised in this manner.

I've yet to meet a child who thought; "I think I'll have Mom and Dad make love and create me. Then I'll be born". A child is at your mercy when born and you are responsible for raising that child to be a good person. You are responsible to the child for that and responsible to society for that. YOU AND YOUR SPOUSE brought the child into the world. Don't act as if you are doing the child a favor by raising them.

Once a child is old enough to understand reason and logic, a parent needs only those tools to continue the child's education.

If a child breaks something for no obvious logical reason, you sit the child down in a room with no distractions and you take the time to discuss the action with the child.

Your child will be honest with you UNLESS YOU TEACH THEM TO LIE. You can't DO one thing and then expect something different from your child. Children learn how to act through YOUR actions as well as your words.

If you show disrespect for others while hiding behind a closed door and then show a different face to that person, your child will also learn to be "Two-Faced". If you tell someone one thing, and then laugh at them behind closed doors while you do something other then what you said to them, your child will learn to be sneaky and lie as you do.

Children learn more from example than they do from what you say, unless you say the same thing that you do. If you DO what you say, and you DO that all the time, then you will teach your child to be HONEST in it's actions and words. Nothing less will work.

I don't mean to preach to all of you, but when I hear that beating a person is a way to teach them properly, it just pisses me off.

Violence is only something that works as a last resort after logic, reason, patience and teaching by example have been tried.

Please, if your child is doing something wrong, sit them down and discuss it with them as you would with any reasonable, thinking person.

Show them how it's bad to act that way and then balance the scales of fairness. If they caused 400 dollars of harm to another, then tell them you will take 400 dollars of their possessions and give them or their sale price to the person they harmed. I did this with my son when he was very young. While I watched, he broke another child's plaything. I took one of his favorite playthings outside and after asking his Mother to observe, I gave that plaything to his friend and explained why.

Both the other child and his Mother learned fairness from that example. My son learned fairness and logic from that example.

No one got beat.

Annscrib, I don't mean to cast any dispersions on your raising of your child, but I do encourage you to use logic, reason, fairness and your brain to resolve this problem. Please do not use violence. If you use violence, you'll teach your son to use IT instead of his brain to resolve problems prior to using his intelligence.

I'm sure that there will be those who want to argue with what I've said. Please keep in mind that I've only typed a few examples of how to raise a child and that due to brevity, I can't cover every single contingency. A series of "But, but, but..." type arguments will do nothing to help. If you wish to argue, then state your opinion and give me a chance to discuss it with you. Perhaps we already agree and we just don't realize it.

<Stoney climbs back down off the soap box> :D
 
well i can say since him and his friend had did this,,they havent got in anymore trouble,,now the kids they was with that night is now in a program. when we did go to court they put him on probation and fined him 1000.00 which he has pay 500. of it so far,,and because i want pay any of that 1000. looks like he will be on probation till the season picks back up and they start hiring teens again he knows that i will not pay this ,,, i didnt do so im not paying
he understands why iwant pay his fined off,,,, he has learn that if he wants to damnage others stuff he will have to pay for it
 
Folks, using physical violence against a person is the last resort of a person who has run out of the ability to use their brain and form logic.




thank you. tonight my drunk cousin tried to lay his hands on me and made a huge mistake... i walked away as my words are stronger than my fists will ever be.


violence solves nothing.
 
Plain, and simple. Violence begets violence. i was raised up in a many of foster care homes. matter of fact, 16 years. i ran away from every one of them over violence. theres many forms of violence. and some, you would'nt even want to know about. if your child is doing things they would'nt normally do, take it as a cry for help. deal with it NOW, not tomorrow. thats when it could be to late, and a lifetime of grief counseling is not gonna help...bb...
 

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