The Original Old Farts Club

[yooper420]

We were rebuilding a bunker on our flight line and came across a Bamboo Viper living in it. Nasty little yellow snake. The compound at this airstrip we staged out of had a very large cyclone fence cage that had a Boa in it that was around 24' long. Said it took 12 guys to carry it in when they found it. Big mofo snake.

 

[Tattered Old Graywolf]

I think I have backwards california reasoning, They want to "de ugly" the AR15, by removing these "appearance of assault weapon" parts, while I want it to look as scary as possible, as that irritates anti gunners.

Its a very practical, light weight, very accurate, easy to put together rifle. I have personally built all of mine, and I've owned quite a few in various calibers of 5.56, 300 Black Out and .458 SOCOM.

I've never shot the 300 BO or .458 SOCOM but looking at their performance, they look like they would be fun to shoot, especially the 458 based on the 50 AE from a long enough barrel to burn all the powder.

I only built one rifle for bear hunting, and that was turning a 1917 Enfield into a 300 Weatherby Mag. Besides the milling, welding, and grinding, I converted it so as to cock on the upstroke, rather than the down stroke, and replaced the trigger group with a Dayton Traister adjustable single set. I then polished it and paid a gunsmith to install and headspace a new 300 Weatherby barrel and blue it. I bought a fancy cheeked walnut stock blank and glass bedded it. It ended up purdy and shot tight, but was a little too light at under eight pounds to make it pleasant to shoot.

One was enough to convince me that I didn't want to build another one and when during an unemployed lean time I was offered 10X what I had in it, I smiled all the way to the bank somehow feeling like a master armorer......... Imagine my subsequent disappointment and instant education when the check bounced and the con artist had fled and pawned the rifle in the Dalles.

My favorite battle rifle is still the M-14, and my M1A1 Super Match was the rifle I held the highest score with sitting rapid fire. I handed the new in the box M1A1 Super Match to a master gunsmith and had the bedding and trigger group refined, and had the gas release hole enlarged so that my meticulously prepared brass wasn't dented and scattered.

I do admire the AR-15/M-16's lighter weight for both rifle and ammo. An accurate design as well. My son had an aftermarket AR-10 in 7.62 X 51 that I could put three rounds touching into a 1/2 glow dot at 100 yards off a bench.

I especially admire some of the new calibers and fast lock time actions. After warming up my stock Ruger M-77 223 on a blustery day and scattering my rounds in about a 6" circle at 100 yards, I shot my friends son's custom 5 MM with light weight, super fast lock time. Still blustery but reduced my group in about half.

Have you experimented with Titanium lock parts and firing pin?

 

[pute]

Morning OFC. Happy moanday! Low to mid 90's today. And I have to cut the grass. Thinking I need to get out early. Probably won't happen, a bit of work in the grow first. Also taking the truck in for maintenance.

Damn GW, I won't be trying to break into your place. Sounds like you have all the guns in the world and you know how to use them.

Gotta pay some bills and drink some coffee now though.....

 

[Hippie420]

I bought a sportsterized K98 Mauser in 30-06 that weighed in at slightly under six pounds. With a hard plastic buttplate, she'd stomp the crap outta ya on a bench.
Fast forward 20 years; I buy a Rem700 in 300WM. This thing had me flinching before I even shot it. Paid three bills for it brand new in a box, took it to Davison where Answer Systems had their office, and spent another three bills on a muzzle brake and a recoil pad. With full bore 200 grain hunting rounds, she kicks like an M14. Money well spent.
I've got an AR10 with the Sudanese brown fiberglass furniture with the cocking lever in the handle. Fun to shoot. Heavy to carry for any distance.

 

[yooper420]

Switched my tent to 12/12 for flowering and turned on my Daisie 1750 spectrum lights to assist in flowering. We will see how it works out. Also trimmed up the bottoms on all plants. Will a total of 1400 watts of LED's for flowering. Have not used the 1750 spectrum lights before.

 

[Tattered Old Graywolf]

Damn GW, I won't be trying to break into your place. Sounds like you have all the guns in the world and you know how to use them.

Every Marine is a rifleman...............

I actually passed some of my ancestral guns to my sister, brother in law, grandsons, and a nephew, with the rest of my collection of swords and gun going to my son and daughter's as an early inheritance.

I bought a sportsterized K98 Mauser in 30-06 that weighed in at slightly under six pounds. With a hard plastic buttplate, she'd stomp the crap outta ya on a bench.

Fast forward 20 years; I buy a Rem700 in 300WM. This thing had me flinching before I even shot it. Paid three bills for it brand new in a box, took it to Davison where Answer Systems had their office, and spent another three bills on a muzzle brake and a recoil pad. With full bore 200 grain hunting rounds, she kicks like an M14. Money well spent.

I've got an AR10 with the Sudanese brown fiberglass furniture with the cocking lever in the handle. Fun to shoot. Heavy to carry for any distance.

I inherited Dad's M-98 Spandau in 30:06 and it was too light and straight stocked to be comfortable to shoot off bench. I hate to shoot anything that starts me flinching, because it is a hard habit for me to break. Hee, hee, hee, snicker, snark, snort, I gave it to my nere do well nephew as "Grandpa's favorite deer rifle", to always cherish as his first deer rifle.

The 65% muzzle break on the front of my Barrett 90 bullpup reduced the free recoil from 110ft.lbs, to under 40 ft.lbs, which along with the 22 lb rifle made just a huge shove instead of a center punch like a sporting weight 7mm or 300 mag calibers. It is the recoil velocity that kills the shoulder, not the total foot pounds.

The most accurate 50 BMG rifles weigh enough that they don't need a muzzle break and are designed to keep the recoil straight back and parallel, rather than rebounding up. Heavy enough to make them impractical for anything beyond bench competition.

https://saami.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Gun-Recoil-Formulae-2018-07-9-1.pdf

 

[yooper420]

wrong thread

 

[Bubba]

I've never shot the 300 BO or .458 SOCOM but looking at their performance, they look like they would be fun to shoot, especially the 458 based on the 50 AE from a long enough barrel to burn all the powder.

I only built one rifle for bear hunting, and that was turning a 1917 Enfield into a 300 Weatherby Mag. Besides the milling, welding, and grinding, I converted it so as to cock on the upstroke, rather than the down stroke, and replaced the trigger group with a Dayton Traister adjustable single set. I then polished it and paid a gunsmith to install and headspace a new 300 Weatherby barrel and blue it. I bought a fancy cheeked walnut stock blank and glass bedded it. It ended up purdy and shot tight, but was a little too light at under eight pounds to make it pleasant to shoot.

One was enough to convince me that I didn't want to build another one and when during an unemployed lean time I was offered 10X what I had in it, I smiled all the way to the bank somehow feeling like a master armorer......... Imagine my subsequent disappointment and instant education when the check bounced and the con artist had fled and pawned the rifle in the Dalles.

My favorite battle rifle is still the M-14, and my M1A1 Super Match was the rifle I held the highest score with sitting rapid fire. I handed the new in the box M1A1 Super Match to a master gunsmith and had the bedding and trigger group refined, and had the gas release hole enlarged so that my meticulously prepared brass wasn't dented and scattered.

I do admire the AR-15/M-16's lighter weight for both rifle and ammo. An accurate design as well. My son had an aftermarket AR-10 in 7.62 X 51 that I could put three rounds touching into a 1/2 glow dot at 100 yards off a bench.

I especially admire some of the new calibers and fast lock time actions. After warming up my stock Ruger M-77 223 on a blustery day and scattering my rounds in about a 6" circle at 100 yards, I shot my friends son's custom 5 MM with light weight, super fast lock time. Still blustery but reduced my group in about half.

Have you experimented with Titanium lock parts and firing pin?

I've experimented with about everything that can be experimented with AR 15 wise. I build a fighting gun, the only machining I do is to true the front of the upper receiver absolutely flat and true where the barrel fits. I use a free float hand guard and 16inch match barrel. Triggers on all are Geisslele 2 stage. I like a 2 1/2 pound trigger, but that's a little light for a battle carbine. I also build with the 2 stage 4 1/2 pound total
but, you pull until it stops...that's 2 pounds. then 21/2 more, and it breaks clean like an ice cicle. sighting is a Lucid Red dot.

The DMR/SPR is similar, but longer match barrel and fixed stock/cheek piece. At 100 yards a dime will cover 5 if I do my part. It is scoped. My most carefully prepared ammo goes with this one. (and the bolt sniper rifle in .556/.223.)

The .300 black Out is so sweet. You use the same brass as 5.56/.223, (so same mag and bolt/bolt carrier) cut down with a little cutter wheel. Then the brass is necked out to 30caliber. I usually use a 180 grain soft point. You can load them up, or down to subsonic. With suppressor, this thing is quiet. Easy shooting, a pleasure. I dont hunt, but this would make one easy to shoot deer rifle. I only hunt at the grocery.

The .458 is a beast. Not a 50AE, way less powder, way shorter range. Their are some impressive videos out there of the 50 caliber Sniper rifle in .50 at remarkable ranges. It (.458 SOCOM )is said to be a good tool for killing engine blocks.....of course so is a 41 magnum pistol if you are close enough.

If I did hunt, I wouldnt hunt bear. See videos of bears running up trees. First they can flat run...3 times faster than the quickest man and they dont bother slowing down a second going from flat ground to right up a tree. No thanks. Plus, I kind of like bears...probably from watching Yogi and Boo Boo stealing cartoon pic-nick baskets. Another good thing about bears is the advent of "bear size" pepper spray. These are top notch self defense items. You can handle a small crowd with one of those. Hint. have a mask, it can go everywhere. A couple puffs towards a crowd and you will get results.

Bubba

 

[Bubba]

I bought a sportsterized K98 Mauser in 30-06 that weighed in at slightly under six pounds. With a hard plastic buttplate, she'd stomp the crap outta ya on a bench.
Fast forward 20 years; I buy a Rem700 in 300WM. This thing had me flinching before I even shot it. Paid three bills for it brand new in a box, took it to Davison where Answer Systems had their office, and spent another three bills on a muzzle brake and a recoil pad. With full bore 200 grain hunting rounds, she kicks like an M14. Money well spent.
I've got an AR10 with the Sudanese brown fiberglass furniture with the cocking lever in the handle. Fun to shoot. Heavy to carry for any distance.

A 30-06 just isnt fun to go out and shoot a couple hundred rounds! My .308 sniper piece is bad enough at 20 rounds...

Bubba

 

[Bubba]

Every Marine is a rifleman...............

I actually passed some of my ancestral guns to my sister, brother in law, grandsons, and a nephew, with the rest of my collection of swords and gun going to my son and daughter's as an early inheritance.



I inherited Dad's M-98 Spandau in 30:06 and it was too light and straight stocked to be comfortable to shoot off bench. I hate to shoot anything that starts me flinching, because it is a hard habit for me to break. Hee, hee, hee, snicker, snark, snort, I gave it to my nere do well nephew as "Grandpa's favorite deer rifle", to always cherish as his first deer rifle.

The 65% muzzle break on the front of my Barrett 90 bullpup reduced the free recoil from 110ft.lbs, to under 40 ft.lbs, which along with the 22 lb rifle made just a huge shove instead of a center punch like a sporting weight 7mm or 300 mag calibers. It is the recoil velocity that kills the shoulder, not the total foot pounds.

The most accurate 50 BMG rifles weigh enough that they don't need a muzzle break and are designed to keep the recoil straight back and parallel, rather than rebounding up. Heavy enough to make them impractical for anything beyond bench competition.

https://saami.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Gun-Recoil-Formulae-2018-07-9-1.pdf

When I get the flinches, I just time out for a sec and think about Drag racing...for me it stirs an energy that powers me past the flich, bring the explosion! Fine for bench rest but self defense is another animal. You'll fire the crap out of it and not notice a thing. Until later.

Bubba

 

[user 60606]

Every Marine is a rifleman...............

Every good country boy is a rifleman .. I was raised hunting deer with a 30-06

 

[pute]

I got my first Daisy BB gun at 8, my first 22 at 10 and a 4/10 at 12. Grew up it a 16ga shotgun in my hand. Still have it today. Then there was the US Army and their toys. I am pretty good with a shot gun, terrible with a M-16 better with a 14 and terrible with a pistol.....that is why both me and Mrs Pute have shotguns. She has a 20ga Winchester.

 

[user 60606]

wifee and I run with pistol grip 20 and legal cut down 12, . everything else is at the bottom of Caddo Lake by an accident

 

[Tattered Old Graywolf]

If I did hunt, I wouldnt hunt bear. See videos of bears running up trees. First they can flat run...3 times faster than the quickest man and they dont bother slowing down a second going from flat ground to right up a tree. No thanks. Plus, I kind of like bears...probably from watching Yogi and Boo Boo stealing cartoon pic-nick baskets. Another good thing about bears is the advent of "bear size" pepper spray. These are top notch self defense items. You can handle a small crowd with one of those. Hint. have a mask, it can go everywhere. A couple puffs towards a crowd and you will get results. Bubba

There is actually more to that story. I built the 300 Weatherby "bear gun" after an engineer on my crew stated his Corps buddy now in Alaska as a guide extended an invitation for him and the grunts in our crew to get free guide service to killer fishing and Kodiak hunting. The offer fell through before the magic date, so didn't get to go. I did hear a story of a hunter putting five 300 Weatherby mags into a charging Kodiak and still getting mauled, including losing an arm.

His partner actually put the bear down with a Model 1886 lever action in 45:70 at point blank range. That story and having played with Dad's 45:70 trapdoor were what got me interested in big bore rounds.

I went on one bear hunt with local "mountain men" and their hounds, but was turned off by the experience and didn't hunt bears again. Not fair to the bear or dogs.

I did run one black bear off after it had destroyed a river bag and mauled a secured cooler, by discharging a 357 into the dirt in front of it, after it ignored my shouting and throwing rocks, while continuing to advance. Instantly the front end of the bear was headed away from me, while the backend was still advancing toward me. The next morning I followed his tracks and found lots of bear scat, with candy bar wrappers, suggesting morons had been feeding him to attract him for pictures. I got turned in and ended up paying a fine for discharging a firearm in a national park. The judge told me that I have a constitutional right to carry a firearm in a national park, but it is illegal to use it.

I stopped hunting deer after feeding them from my hands white water boating in wilderness areas, and water foul after feeding them at the park. Upland birds were my last interest, but with two bad knees walking long distances over uneven ground is not a good thing, sooooo I ended up competing at DCM tournaments for the experience.

 

[Bubba]

wifee and I run with pistol grip 20 and legal cut down 12, . everything else is at the bottom of Caddo Lake by an accident

I never got along with pistol grip shot gun, although easy to maneuver, I like the stock for better control shooting and fighting with it, although most striking is libel to be with the barrel end, and again, stock gives me leverage. Its just preference, not right or wrong.

Bubba

 

[WeedHopper]

Never cared for shotguns while hunting unless it was for birds. I prefer a 22 long Rifle. Ive killed many a deer, Squirrel, rabbit and pretty much everything with the 22. They are very accurate and don't tear up the meat. Not to mention the ammo is cheaper. Ive hunted with all kinds of rifles with my friends, but the 22 is my favorite. Been using them since i was a little boy hunting for my Grand Parents food. We were poor but happy.

 

[Bubba]

For a while around 2008 or so, I was going to build an AR that shot 9mm, as I could reload them cheaper that .22lr. Maybe still can. Know What you mean, its a great little round, accurate and simple. I'm afraid days of 12 dollar 500 bricks is long gone, probably by design. In the day, anyone could afford to feed a .22, even kids.

Bubba

 

[ROSTERMAN]

Never cared for shotguns while hunting unless it was for birds. I prefer a 22 long Rifle. Ive killed many a deer, Squirrel, rabbit and pretty much everything with the 22. They are very accurate and don't tear up the meat. Not to mention the ammo is cheaper. Ive hunted with all kinds of rifles with my friends, but the 22 is my favorite. Been using them since i was a little boy hunting for my Grand Parents food. We were poor but happy.

22 long across the sweet spot back of neck drops em there.
Shot my 1st deer from back of car using jack lite4

 

[WeedHopper]

Head shots is what i used when possible. Rabbits, Coons and Squirrels especially.

 

[pute]

Nothing worse that eating a rabbit of squirrel and chomping down on a shotgun BB.....hard on the teeth.