we had cattle, but they were not for milking. dad did have a white face/rust red bull i bet he wasn't 4 foot tall but wide as a truck i could lay my arm straight across his shoulders. he also had a brangus and a full brahma bulls at the same time, them two fought all over the ranch, but they couldn't handle the white face. the brangus and the brahma where a lot taller and all came in around 1800 lbs each, the white face was very gentle, not so much with the other two. when dad passed he had started adding some long horns, they were in a drought and they are more hardy, and pretty big too. of course the others were gone by then.