re>>trap story,open eyes

[walter]

it has been brought to my attention,, that this trap thing was not a good idea ,, after reading some of your comments it made sence to me that this was kinda dumb ,, i was dissagreeing until i read one of the post saying somthing about someones 9 year old getting cought in one it would not be good,,,, this makes sence to me after reading that that this was not a good idea,, and i appoligize if this has offended anyone,,, but just to clear things up a bit I DID NOT SET THE BEAR TRAP THERE only the conibear 330's the 330's will not kill you just brooze you bad and make it hard to walk for a bit,, i agree that this was a dumb thing to do after reading all your post,, for the sake that i never thought about other campers and such,, i was only thinking of the crop raiders at the time,, someone also mentioned razor trip wire in a post,, im thinking that would be a bad idea also cuz that could really cut you bad ,, although it would work,, but i am definatly dissagreeing with the posts that say,, if you find it your welcome to it ,,, come on who beliefes this? sorry not meaning to be rude but come on man. since then i have found better places to grow and have downgraded a few plants cuz i am growing on my own now

 

[bombbudpuffa]

It's not only innocent people. If you hurt a cop raiding your crop that could mean biiiig trouble! Glad you decided against it. Good luck with your grow.

 

[gottagrow_420]

but i am definatly dissagreeing with the posts that say,, if you find it your welcome to it ,,, come on who beliefes this? sorry not meaning to be rude but come on man.

This is the way I grow and have for years. I have lost single plants and once I lost all three in an area. As a matter of fact I went to one of my places today and was horrified to see 2 company vehicles sitting at the entrance to my little grow spot. Well we went up the road to the store and came back later right at sunset. Turns out they cleared some trees for powerlines. Cut a road 40-60 foot wide and as far as I could see in either direction. The road is no more than 10 foot from a 4 foot mj plant, and 20-30 foot from my largest plant this year at about 5 1/2 foot. People had to have been walking by these plants for a week or two now and they have not been disturbed. You cant even see them from the just cleared road unless you are looking for a mj plant and its still a challenge.

The way I look at it loosing plants is part of growing outside, the better you are at hiding your gardens the less you will loose to people. I knew a guy who used to live up the road and he grew a plant is his front yard. I had walked by it countless times comming and going to his house he even had the grass pulled up from around it and a small ornimental fence around it. I never thought a thing of it, especially because it had little white and pink flowers on it. Turns out he bought fake flowers with tiny clips on the back. He also said he kept it trimmed back to make more of a bush shape and not the typical lanky mj plant. That was the first plant I saw in full bloom and harvested. He showed me and cut it the same day.

 

[TheStickyIcky]

The way I look at it loosing plants is part of growing outside, the better you are at hiding your gardens the less you will loose to people.

Well said. Its part of the game. I don't know personally (in real life) one person that wont take a patch that they find in the woods that doesn't belong to one of their friends. You can call them thieves or say that it doesn't make it right or whatever. But, that is simply how things work. You can call me a hypocrit or whatever but taking plants that you found on public property or out deep in the woods somewhere is totally different than breaking in someones house and taking their crop (or anything else) or taking it out of their yard. If you are walking down the street and you see a 50 dollar bill that doesn't belong to you, do you pick it up? Or leave it there because it doesn't belong to you?

I really shouldn't even jump back into this kind of thread again, because it usually ends up with ill feelings.

 

[Kupunakane]

Yo Ho Walter,
Sounds like you are tired of getting ripped off. I agree it does get old. Almost all of the growing I have ever done was and has been outdoor growing. I like even more your decision to not harm, as I do believe that peace is what we are all about.
In a very short amount of time we can turn you into a super stealth grower.
Some of my favorites are the 5 gal bucket up in the trees, or in the middle of a thick and tall bramble patch.
You do know that a fanny pack with water and walking a dog in the very early am is a great way to set up a good watering schedual if need be ?
There is tons of cool stuff to learn. Remember that to teach others to practice being cool and not a thief takes time to work and spread.
smoke in peace
KingKahuuna

 

[Stoney Bud]

Well said. Its part of the game. I don't know personally (in real life) one person that wont take a patch that they find in the woods that doesn't belong to one of their friends. You can call them thieves or say that it doesn't make it right or whatever. But, that is simply how things work. You can call me a hypocrit or whatever but taking plants that you found on public property or out deep in the woods somewhere is totally different than breaking in someones house and taking their crop (or anything else) or taking it out of their yard. If you are walking down the street and you see a 50 dollar bill that doesn't belong to you, do you pick it up? Or leave it there because it doesn't belong to you?

I really shouldn't even jump back into this kind of thread again, because it usually ends up with ill feelings.

It's a matter of your perspective. No one planted that $50 dollar bill on the ground. They didn't tend it, water it and care for it over a many month period.

If you believe in a "No rules applied" type way of thinking, then why stop at your front door? You really don't own that land. It belongs to everyone in the world. You just happen to be sitting on it. So, by your logic, if I truly believe this, I can just walk into your house and take anything I wish because "I" don't believe you own that land!

How about your car? If you park it somewhere and walk away from it, is it really yours at that point? If I think it's not, is it now ok for me to take it?

If you order dinner and then get up to use the restroom, I can sit down and eat your dinner! It's not claimed! It's just sitting there!

I'm astounded that you can think that just because you find someones plot, that you can just steal it. It sounds like convenient thinking. "I want to steal this plant, so I'll justify it in my mind so I don't feel guilty".

You know it belongs to someone else. You know they put it there on purpose and cared for it, expecting to come back later and harvest it. Knowing this, you ignore it's ownership, ignore the owners rights to his own labor and you just go ahead and steal his plant.

That's theft. Pure and simple. It makes anyone who takes it a thief. There is no mincing of words here man, if you take something of someone else's without their permission, you're a thief.

Please change your way of thinking man. Grow you own weed. Harvest your own weed. Stop justifying the theft of someone else's work.

You'll be a better person for it.

 

[MrPuffAlot]

im no thief in any way or form..
and I do believe in Karma....

BUT..

If i was walking along and saw some MJ in full bloom,
to be totally honest with myself and everyone else.

I probably would take a Cola or two.
I wouldn't take the whole garden, but a sample..

Just keeping it real, im no Saint..

 

[Hick]

I'm glad to hear that you have "seen the light" walter. ..gotta say, you took some pretty good shots in that thread, took 'em on the chin and still standing.
KUDOs...

 

[TheStickyIcky]

It's a matter of your perspective. No one planted that $50 dollar bill on the ground. They didn't tend it, water it and care for it over a many month period.

They worked for it. They got out of bed and put time in at a job to earn it. They value it just as much as we do one of our plants.

Not neccessarily. I don't know how familiar you are with outdoor growing. But on a couple of occasions I have had plots accidently get pollenated and some of the seeds bust out and eventually germinate themselves the next year and grow a plant. I've seen it happen on a couple occasions.

If you believe in a "No rules applied" type way of thinking, then why stop at your front door? You really don't own that land. It belongs to everyone in the world. You just happen to be sitting on it. So, by your logic, if I truly believe this, I can just walk into your house and take anything I wish because "I" don't believe you own that land!

There are rules that we have in modern society. Whether or not we truely *own* something is a totally different story. But, if I purchase a home or some land it belongs to me by modern standards. Now, maybe my analogy was a little off. But this analogy is even more off. If you plant some weed on someone elses land and the land owner finds it and harvests it as his own whose in the right? Is the landowner a thief?

How about your car? If you park it somewhere and walk away from it, is it really yours at that point? If I think it's not, is it now ok for me to take it?

Still this is something that you purchased and have a title to. Not a plant that is growing wild in the outdoors.

If you order dinner and then get up to use the restroom, I can sit down and eat your dinner! It's not claimed! It's just sitting there!

Another innaccurate analogy. More like if I was camping the woods and I left behind a can of pork and beans and you walked by and found it and ate it.

I'm astounded that you can think that just because you find someones plot, that you can just steal it. It sounds like convenient thinking. "I want to steal this plant, so I'll justify it in my mind so I don't feel guilty".

I'm a grown man and I don't really have to justify anything.

You know it belongs to someone else. You know they put it there on purpose and cared for it, expecting to come back later and harvest it. Knowing this, you ignore it's ownership, ignore the owners rights to his own labor and you just go ahead and steal his plant.

I don't believe you can own a plant that you illegally put in the ground on someone elses property.

That's theft. Pure and simple. It makes anyone who takes it a thief. There is no mincing of words here man, if you take something of someone else's without their permission, you're a thief.

Thats a matter of perspective. I would say 90% of cultivators have done it or will do it if they get the chance. That makes it "accepted" in our social circle. I know probably 25 or 30 people in life that have done this and I know 0 that have passed up an opportunity to. Now, people on here might not admit to it because they don't want to scorned or looked down on, but the numbers are just as high here. I would almost guarantee that. I honestly believe that you are true and honest and really wouldn't get someones crop that you found. But you are in the VERY select minority.

Please change your way of thinking man. Grow you own weed. Harvest your own weed. Stop justifying the theft of someone else's work.

I do grow and harvest my own weed. You know and don't get me wrong I am not advocating it. I don't want it to happen to me or to any of my friends. But, Im saying it is a part of guerilla growing and it always will be. There is nothing anyone can do about that. I'm from a state that more MJ plants are seized in a year than any other state (or so I read). A LOT of people grow here and even more people look for MJ. You can't wish for the faith of the good people to protect your crop, you have to be stealthy. The weaker growers usually get their shizz snatched. Its a lesson and they progress and learn. I'm not saying its right, its just how it works.

 

[TheStickyIcky]

Thanks for being honest MRpuffalot.

Heres another situation.

Last year my best friend and partner got his crop taken. We found out who it was. His partner came to us and told us who it was. He said you're my friend and I know that he got you last year and I want to repay you. I'm going to show you our crop and tell you when its going to be harvested and you go get it the day before. All I ask is that you keep your mouth shut and give me my cut. Do you think my partner would be in the wrong for going and getting that crop? After all we have proof via the person he confessed to that he is the one that took his plants. I don't think he would be in the wrong no way whatsoever.

He wanted me in on it. I declined. I too believe in Karma. 32 CONFIRMED SKUNK #1 FEMALES. He wanted me to go with him and take 50%. That's 8 females outdoors. Easily a pound of bud. But, I want no part of it. I'm a real thief.

 

[Stoney Bud]

I have lost single plants and once I lost all three in an area.

The way I look at it loosing plants is part of growing outside, the better you are at hiding your gardens the less you will loose to people.

Yes, I see that thieves have stolen your plants in the past. Three were stolen in just one area by thieves.

I agree with your conclusions. If you grow outside, sooner or later, a thief will find your plant(s) and if they think in some weird way that stealing other peoples plants is OK in their version of the "real world", then they will steal them with no hesitation.

Some people even hang out with people who think the same way they do. If that entire group thinks stealing is OK, then I believe in common usage, the phrase is "Nest of thieves". This doesn't make it OK, it just makes it an entire group of people who are thieves. "Loyalty among thieves" is another common phrase used. It means that they won't steal from each other, (right).

There is a reason that people look around carefully before stealing. They want to make sure the owner isn't watching them steal. Thieves are always careful about doing this. If you catch a thief just starting to touch one of your plants and yell "HEY", they'll jump, spin around and start making excuses. That's what thieves do when they're caught red handed.

My advice to everyone who is truly a cool person and marijuana user is to stay to using your own weed. If you plant outdoors, plant enough to supply yourself and twenty thieves. Hopefully, you'll harvest enough to keep you until the next year. Hopefully, any thief that takes one of your plants will get pulled over by a very mean cop on his way home with YOUR weed and go to prison. It would serve him right.

About 30 years ago, I quit growing outside because of the problems with cops and thieves. One takes your weed because they think it's a problem in the law, the other steals it because they have justified stealing it in their own mind. One is no better than the other and I avoid them both by growing my weed in a room of my house.

Peace to all of you and I hope any of your that thinks stealing other peoples weed is OK, change your minds and become nice people again.

 

[TheStickyIcky]

Some people even hang out with people who think the same way they do. If that entire group thinks stealing is OK, then I believe in common usage, the phrase is "Nest of thieves". This doesn't make it OK, it just makes it an entire group of people who are thieves. "Loyalty among thieves" is another common phrase used. It means that they won't steal from each other, (right).

I'm talking about people in their early 20's to LITERALLY people in their mid 60's. It's looked down upon someone gets theirs taken, but its okay when they take someone elses. Thats how most look at it. It sounds like you are bitter because it has happened to you and you were too honest of a person to return the favor to others.

I seriously would like to see your input on my last post as well, please?

 

[Stoney Bud]

I don't know how familiar you are with outdoor growing.

Very. I grew outside in several states for more than 30 years. Every year, I got hit by thieves that thought stealing in this form is perfectly OK.

I've discovered in my life that a large percentage of people in the world think stealing is ok as long as you don't get caught.

That doesn't make it OK. It just means that truly honest people are a minority. What a shame.

There is NO excuse for stealing something that doesn't belong to you. If you haven't the morals to admit to being a thief to others, then at least admit it to yourself.

If the owner is standing there and you can walk up and take it with no complaint from the owner, then you're not stealing it. If you fear the owner finding you, or are afraid that he might find out that you took it, then it's stealing, PERIOD. There is no doubt in this.

Justify stealing as much as you like. It won't alter the fact that you're stealing something that you know belongs to someone else.

Just because someone else steals, doesn't make it OK for everyone.

This isn't the wild west.

As far as justifying stealing because I planted an illegal plant, just where in the world is your head man?

Doing what you know to be the right thing is what really makes a good person. Be a good person man, and quit stealing things after justifying it in your head.

 

[Stoney Bud]

I'm talking about people in their early 20's to LITERALLY people in their mid 60's. It's looked down upon someone gets theirs taken, but its okay when they take someone else's. That's how most look at it. It sounds like you are bitter because it has happened to you and you were too honest of a person to return the favor to others.

Age has nothing to do with honesty. Honesty is a way of being, not a "on again - off again" type thing.

You're either honest, or you aren't.

I'm not "bitter" about anything. I appreciate honesty in a person. I despise liars and thieves.

If you get a room full of thieves together, you can hear the same arguments you're making.

If you get a room full of honest people together, you'll hear the same thing I'm saying.

Both of these statements are true. In 73 years, I've seen a lot of stuff man. My advice to you again, is to change your ways of thinking. How you think now is wrong. It's how people of low character think. Bring yourself up to a higher standard and be a truly honest person.

You'll sleep better at night.

 

[TheStickyIcky]

I've got nothing hindering my sleeping. I'm done arguing with you. So, its okay for you to justify trespassing and planting an illegal plant on someone elses property, but its wrong for others to try and justify taking a plant they found in the middle of the woods? You cant pick and choose which morals you uphold and which you disregard.

Also, why close the thread and re-open it? I haven't done anything wrong. I've not made any personal attacks or violated any site rules that I know of. I'm sure if I had you would've already banned me.

 

[Stoney Bud]

I've got nothing hindering my sleeping. I'm done arguing with you. So, its okay for you to justify trespassing and planting an illegal plant on someone else's property, but its wrong for others to try and justify taking a plant they found in the middle of the woods? You cant pick and choose which morals you uphold and which you disregard.

Also, why close the thread and re-open it? I haven't done anything wrong. I've not made any personal attacks or violated any site rules that I know of. I'm sure if I had you would've already banned me.

I never ban anyone until they do something that they deserve it for.

You keep bringing up the fact that MJ is illegal. That also has nothing to do with the subject. I certainly don't "pick and choose which morals I uphold".

You can plant MJ anywhere you wish. If the owner of the property doesn't like it, he'll pull it up.

That also has nothing to do with stealing.

I'm glad you've completed your postings on this and I've certainly made my point clear.

I didn't close the thread the first time, but I am the one closing it now.