Prepping for first grow! :)

[The Hemp Goddess]

Are these prices from your local guy? If so, they are not so good. For example:

You are going to need the 6" fan and filter. A 4" 165cf is simply not going to be enough. Amazon has a Hydrofarm Active air 6" 400 cfm fan for $86. hXXp://www.amazon.com/Hydrofarm-Active-Air-inch-In-Line/dp/B002JQ14F8/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1362669189&sr=8-4&keywords=exhaust+fan

Your light setup is a bit pricey. I believe that you could save about $100 online. Here is a air coolable 600W that is dimmable that comes with both a MH and HPS bulb, ratchet straps and a timer for $224 total. hXXp://www.amazon.com/iPower-GLSETX600DHMAC6-600-Watt-Digital-Dimmable/dp/B005GYRZV2/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1362669881&sr=8-6&keywords=600w+hps

I would also recommend going with the T5 instead of a 125W CFL.

The Growlab 120 at Amazon--$235. And the list goes on. In my years of growing (well decades), I have found that it really pays to shop around. Look how much you can save on the light, (upgraded) fan, and tent from Amazon. IMO, there is absolutely no reason to buy local if buying online can save you hundreds...and it appears that you can.

 

[Dr. Green Fang]

I realize that it's not the best price.. by a solid $250.. but I didn't want to deal with multiple items from multiple places all coming to my home. BUT.. I believe I can send to UPS pick up store and just have them call me to say my package is ready? I mean, I don't want to spend more than I need to, because with extra money I could do some extra stuff!

He tells me my tent will suck in with that much air flow. He explained the tent is 115 cubic feet and the fan is like 165 (random numbers off the top of my head) and it's more than enough, and 450 will suck the tent in.

Also, said the CAP stuff is a well known fire hazard (I'm sure he's either A) Correct or B) Just blowing smoke up my *** to make a sale)

I'm glad that the iPower stuff has been spoken decently highly of here.. I'd trust that product.

I really trust you guys 110% more than him, but I don't want to ship stuff to my HOME is my ultimate concern. I'd prefer to buy everything (all the big stuff) from one place as well. (Maybe ehydro?)

Please, if you guys don't mind, just help my noob mush brain sort this out. I see a few builds in this thread from excellent members, just taunting me to buy them because they are around $300 cheaper than this purchase an hour away.

I have patience and I can wait, but I do not want to have stuff shipped to this door step.

Please oh please sort this mush of mine.

 

[Dr. Green Fang]

Also, random thought for dialing in my room.

I live in the North East and will be starting in 2 or so weeks. I have an electric oil space heater to use for warming the immediate area around the tent, and A/C unit for cooling in the summer months. Does this sound right, using these? I thought I've read along the way around here about people using both of those things.

I imagine those 2 items are pretty key in dialing in a room for living in the north east. Just wondering if I'm crazy or not

 

[The Hemp Goddess]

Keep in mind that this guy's first job is selling stuff, not to be your buddy. I don't have much money and am for saving everywhere I can. If you can afford to spend the extra $250 or more to get it locally and you feel more comfortable doing that, then go with that.

Get a speed controller for the fan. A fan the size he is recommending is not going to keep your tent cool. I'm sure that I am not the only one who things this. I have no problem with the sides of my tent being drawn in somewhat--that way I know I have good negative pressure.

I have never ever heard of CAP products being fire hazards. Many people use CAP products with no fire hazard.

I don't know what the iPower stuff you are talking about is? You heard a lot about it here?

I pull cool air from my crawl space in the summer and do not need to use an A/C. I used to run space heaters in winter, but they take as much or more energy than a light, so.....this winter, I put up a tent next to my grow closet with the lights running opposite. The hot air from each heats the other. This works for me.

 

[Dr. Green Fang]

THG... you need an app....

One that I can pull up on my tablet, and just ask you anything... forget SIRI! :lol:

I'm seriously... seriously... considering your exact DWC + Scrog method in a 4x4 tent (maybe 5x5) and 600w (maybe 1000w) light.. 6" system etc.... and if I can get the stuff shipped to a UPS pick up station, then I'll be able to afford this.

I'm reading your darn scrog thread again... can't get enough. I would like to do 4-6 plants with ultimate yield potential (regardless of my first grow or not) and your scrog DWC looks so welcoming. Something about Hydroton that gets my juices going when I see them! hah

*EDIT* Just read somewhere that you can pick up your items at a UPS Customer Care Center.. going to search more into that

 

[The Hemp Goddess]

Thanks. I am old and have been doing this a long time. I am a (semi-retired) plumber and working with water is second nature to me. I will do some more with organics this spring, as my veggies did excellent, but I doubt that I will ever give up DWC altogether. If you decide to set up a DWC, I can help.

You should do what you feel comfortable doing. I live in a tiny little mountain community with no shopping, so I order lots and lots of things off the internet. When I was plumbing a lot and ordered a lot more, one of my neighbors asked me if I was having an affair with the UPS guy as he was at my house so often :giggle: . He was there a little more often than needed, but it was because he was a toker also.

You might want to check out Dr. Fever's scrogs. He does it on a larger scale and has some impressive pictures.

I predict a good harvest in your future. While there is no substitute for experience, doing your homework and knowing what the plant needs and doesn't need and the ability to get quality growing supplies from the get-go really helps insure success.

 

[WeedHopper]

THG knows DWC's. Her and Andy52 are the reason I started growing in DWC. Hell they are the reason I grow at all. Made me feel like I could do it.

 

[Dr. Green Fang]

It just feels "right" .. since the inception of this thought coming into fruition for me, Hydroton and the pots and the entire process really got me going.

THG. Do you think you can help with a full parts list for 600 or 1000w / 4x4 or 5x5 growtent and DWC? I have $1,000 to spend, and would like to do 4-6 with scrog.

I'll look into Dr Fever.. and I really can't thank you all enough for being there.

DWC and Hydro in general seem "right" to me.

 

[Dr. Green Fang]

I added all these up from plantlighting hydroponics.com and it was a little less.
1 x Sun Hut Silver 4x4x7 Indoor Greenhouse
1 x CAP ValuLine 600W SW Ballast
1 x CAP LumenAire 6 Inch Air-Cool Grow Light Reflector
1 x 600W Sylvania HPS Mogul Base Grow Bulb
1 x Active Air 6" 400 CFM In-line Duct Fan
1 x Aluminum 3-Ply Air Duct 6 inch x 25F
1 x Phat 16x6 375 CFM Carbon Filter
1 x Active Air Hygro-Thermometer
1 x 2 Gallon Plastic Grow Bag 25 count
1 x Titan Controls Apollo 8™ Two Outlet 24 Hour Timer
1 x ProGrip 150LB Light Hanger Pair
1 x Floragro Vegetative Growth Nutrient Quart
1 x FloraBloom Flower & Fruit Nutrient Quart
1 x FloraMicro Micro-Nutrients Quart


$621.00

I imagine, THG, that this plus all the DWC required stuff and seeds, measuring cups, sheers everything else... should get me in the $1,000 limit?

If that's the case, then I got all the info I need for this room right here, I'll just need your parts list and description for DWC.

I do notice the 3 nutes he listed, and that was for a soil grow.. not sure if those all change for the DWC.. I imagine they do!

 

[puffnpaint]

Also, random thought for dialing in my room.

I live in the North East and will be starting in 2 or so weeks. I have an electric oil space heater to use for warming the immediate area around the tent, and A/C unit for cooling in the summer months. Does this sound right, using these? I thought I've read along the way around here about people using both of those things.

I imagine those 2 items are pretty key in dialing in a room for living in the north east. Just wondering if I'm crazy or not

don`t worry about heating around the tent. i live about 5 hrs north of you and actually use the heat from my tent to heat the upstairs of my house. the ipower light is fine! i`ve been running 1 600 since august and just ordered another one yesterday.

 

[Hushpuppy]

Here is where I get my lights. About the best deals and excellent fast service. I have 3 tents(5x5) and run 2 of these in each tent: hxxp://www.hpsgrowlightstore.com/hps1510/hot-best-value-1/ipower-grow-light-600w-hps-mh-dimmable-6-cool-tube-xl-set.html

I love hydro myself, even though I do things a little differently than everyone else. I order stuff from these 2 hydro stores as well: discount hydro.com; plantlightinghydroponics.com Between these 3 online stores, you can get pretty much everything you need shipped to you

 

[Growdude]

I imagine, THG, that this plus all the DWC required stuff and seeds, measuring cups, sheers everything else... should get me in the $1,000 limit?

If that's the case, then I got all the info I need for this room right here, I'll just need your parts list and description for DWC.

I do notice the 3 nutes he listed, and that was for a soil grow.. not sure if those all change for the DWC.. I imagine they do!

The nutes are for hydro or soil.

I dont know how "handy" you are but a DWC system is very easy to build
here is a video that shows how, and what is needed.
hxxp://vodpod.com/watch/673156-do-it-yourself-hydroponics-system

 

[ShOrTbUs]

so have you not purchased anything yet, and still trying to decide which way to go? and are you now leaning towards dwc?

 

[Dr. Green Fang]

lol, yes Shortbus

I'm still waiting for my item to sell. But I think, I'll go with the list you guys helped me come up with for the room, and do 4-6 plants DWC with Scrog.



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[Dr. Green Fang]

The nutes are for hydro or soil.

I dont know how "handy" you are but a DWC system is very easy to build
here is a video that shows how, and what is needed.
hxxp://vodpod.com/watch/673156-do-it-yourself-hydroponics-system

Thanks Growdude.. I've watched a few videos and I'm understanding the general idea now. He (and others) have mentioned you can do 6 plants in 4x4 with 600w HPS, but it's better to fill out 4 plants in that area. So, I think I'm settled on a 4 plant DWC Scrog. ... I think
















........maybe...... :hubba:

 

[ShOrTbUs]

i did not add the 5 gal buckets b/c lowes have them for 3.50 and i have yet to see anywhere beat that price. also, there are 9 bucket lids, i didnt know how many you would be running, so i just picked what i thought would fit as a max number of buckets in a 4x4 tent.

 

[Dr. Green Fang]

Sorry for my confusion Shortbus, but there's cloning gel, sheers and a few other things I'm thinking could wait a month for me to pick up yes? Also, what about air pump and air stones? And then shipping hah

Also, I think first grow maybe I should just use the MH bulb in the tent then switch to HPS for flowering.. just for the first grow. (after a month I can pick up sheers, gel, T5 fixture extra ya?) What do you think of that? Just trying to get it around $1,000 shipped

 

[ShOrTbUs]

i knew i was forgetting something lol. yes air pump and stones, and air hose as well. yes the sheers & gel can wait. as can the t5 fixture. all that can wait till you go to cut clones for the first time

 

[Dr. Green Fang]

Yeah I'm working on a full list of MUST haves to start... the stuff that's needed a month after I can work on surely.

 

[Dr. Green Fang]

Believe I'm going to do king of like THG as in 20gal tupperware bins with 2 holes for 2 plants. I think 1 pump with 2 6" stones for one bucket and mirrored with the second bucket. 4 plants in 4x4 tent, 2 buckets scrog'd. I think I fully "see" it now.

All this learning here at MP has been amazing. Countless amount of knowledge here and more than one way to grow a bud here for sure.