myth strains

[massproducer]

What makes it any different getting a strain from Amsterdam? So are you questioning the moral standards of breeders in North america.

Why is it that you think that the dutch have such a great position on selling Seeds? Honestly you are not really making sense

 

[massproducer]

What are you talking about? Thanks for the lesson on breeding, LMAO, once again, are you saying that the dutch have more intelligence then North americans?

Why anyone would want to order anything from a site named dope-seeds.com is beyond me, but what does dope seeds have to do with the seeds breeders? They are retailers, not breeders.

YOu have got to get more informed before you make comments like you make, with the information you have.

Fair enough, but to what assurance do you have that you are actually getting that strain? The honest answer is that you simply don't know. If you pick up a copy of "Marijuana Botany" and learn just how hard and time consuming it is to create your own strain, you will understand that there is quite an excessive amount of wiggle room in these things. It took the better part of 2 decades to come up with White Widow. You don't just pollinate that with another stable strain like Northern Lights and come up with "Super weed." Genetics dont work that way. I have breeders I trust, and seedbanks that I trust. Allow me to give you an example.

Dope-seeds.com. I ordered a strain from them a few months ago. Their website said they had it in stock. a week later, I received an email from the owner saying that was a typo, and he wanted to know how to work it out with me. We worked it out, and I received something else I fancied. Were he a shady operator, he would've just sent me something similar.

I am not saying the dutch have the best strains, but I am saying that its ILLEGAL to sell seeds in the US, and when you are dealing in that form of black market, you really never can be sure of what you are getting. Were Merlot and Cabrenet illegal in the US, how many people do you think could tell the difference. Hell, how many people do you know that can tell the difference today (while its LEGAL)

Just my thoughts...

 

[massproducer]

and by the way yes you do take 2 stable P1 to make a super F1, meaning yes if you take white widow and pollinate a stable northern lights female, then you get a F1 hybrid, which is what most people buy from Amsterdam, you only have IBL's and hybrids

 

[Fadeux]

What makes it any different getting a strain from Amsterdam? So are you questioning the moral standards of breeders in North america.

Why is it that you think that the dutch have such a great position on selling Seeds? Honestly you are not really making sense

In Amsterdam weed is tolerated. They give you a menu. It is an economy. If you suspect a strain isnt kosher, that business will lose their reputation. Breeders have to rely on their reputation to make money. In the US, the market doesn't even exist. Well, let me rephrase. The market exists, but has zero regulation. If you buy an eighth of trainwrek in LA, how do you know its actually trainwreck? Perhaps if you are at a club, but then the rules of my Amsterdam theory still applies. If you buy trainwreck seeds, how do you really know they are trainwrek seeds? Obviously, its impossible without an intimate relationship with the breeder.

There are great strains all over the world, but what do you use as your own personal evidence that the genetics you are getting are exactly what you are paying for? If you really want to get into the "strain game" let me know what criteria you use to determine if what you are getting is legitimate product. I know where I am, there are no ways of doing that, that is why I trust Holland breeders, they have nothing to lose, and everything to gain.

Let me know exactly how I "am not making sense" and I will try to answer that...

 

[Fadeux]

What are you talking about? Thanks for the lesson on breeding, LMAO, once again, are you saying that the dutch have more intelligence then North americans?

Why anyone would want to order anything from a site named dope-seeds.com is beyond me, but what does dope seeds have to do with the seeds breeders? They are retailers, not breeders.

YOu have got to get more informed before you make comments like you make, with the information you have.

You need to settle down... These are my opinions, and if you don't like them, lets discuss them in a civil manner.

I just want you to tell me how you can trust ANY genetics from ANYWHERE... Thats all... No need for you to LYFAO.... Where do you order from? Where are the best seeds in the world? Please enlighten us. Do you care more about being right then about truth? Cause if you are right, I want to learn. We cant do that with pitiful little things like you LYFAO....

 

[Fadeux]

What makes it any different getting a strain from Amsterdam? So are you questioning the moral standards of breeders in North america.

Not at all. Just questioning the regulation of it. If you buy an eighth of something from someone in North America, what guarantees do you have that it will actually be that? A name is just a name. With no centralized regulation, you have NO idea that it will be that. It works the exact same parallel as wine, if you don't understand that, there is no need to mock me.

 

[massproducer]

the truth, you have got to go back and read your own truths, you came into this thread talking you should only get seeds from the dutch because getting them from anywhere else is risky. lmao

You do not even know the difference between a seed breeder and a seed retailer, i have not heard you state any actual seed breeders that are unreliable in North america, you instead are making general statements, that as I said make no real sense. So if you think that a seed company in Amsterdam sold you the wrong strain, who do you call the better business bureau? Like come on, you are talking about buying trainwreck buds at I am guessing a dispensary, and comparing that to buying seeds from the breeder of trainwreck? There is no corrolation, there whatso ever, unless the person selling you the seeds is the person selling you the buds, which is not the case.

There are great breeders all over the world, but right now the best and rarest genetics are coming out of North america, wheather that be BC, Cali, Oregan and even New England. I am not talking about buying buds from these places, I am talking about where the actual seeds are breed.

And do not tell me to settle down, when you come on here peddling nonsense, with not one fact to back anything up

 

[massproducer]

Now this is what i mean, we were talking about breeders and now all the sudden it is about coffee shops, I do not live in amsterdam or cali, so I do not go to dispensaries or coffee shops, i am however a Federal Canadian medi grower, with quite a few years of growing experience, i have grown quite a few strains, from Afgan to white widow. So it is not important and I have no real opinion on who has the best buds to buy, i am concerned with who has the best strains that I can grow

Not at all. Just questioning the regulation of it. If you buy an eighth of something from someone in North America, what guarantees do you have that it will actually be that? A name is just a name. With no centralized regulation, you have NO idea that it will be that. It works the exact same parallel as wine, if you don't understand that, there is no need to mock me.

 

[massproducer]

and if you know your strain well enough it is really not that hard to know if you are growing what you bought, all strains have distinct growth traits and characteristics

 

[Fadeux]

the truth, you have got to go back and read your own truths, you came into this thread talking you should only get seeds from the dutch because getting them from anywhere else is risky. lmao

You do not even know the difference between a seed breeder and a seed retailer, i have not heard you state any actual seed breeders that are unreliable in North america, you instead are making general statements, that as I said make no real sense. So if you think that a seed company in Amsterdam sold you the wrong strain, who do you call the better business bureau? Like come on, you are talking about buying trainwreck buds at I am guessing a dispensary, and comparing that to buying seeds from the breeder of trainwreck? There is no corrolation, there whatso ever, unless the person selling you the seeds is the person selling you the buds, which is not the case.

There are great breeders all over the world, but right now the best and rarest genetics are coming out of North america, wheather that be BC, Cali, Oregan and even New England. I am not talking about buying buds from these places, I am talking about where the actual seeds are breed.

And do not tell me to settle down, when you come on here peddling nonsense, with not one fact to back anything up

So, again, i will ask, where is the best place for us to buy seeds? I am not saying by any means that the Dutch are the most reputable, but I believe in free-market, and feel they have the most regulation.

If you have a legitimate argument, I would love to hear it, but this "lmao" nonsense is just juvenile.

What can I say, I trust dutch breeders more than most. Sorry if you don't like it, but I would like a better argument than "lmao" Understand thats not an argument.

Explain to me how I am peddling nonsense. Explain to me how I am wrong. You haven't really done that yet. You've explained how there are plenty of great North American Breeders. I am sure there are, but how do you authenticate their product? Its a simple question, but instead of actually answering it, you resort to lame internet acronyms and claim victory. I have my own personal preference, and Im cool with it, but you mock what I say, and don't actually answer my questions. So, my com padre, what makes you right? Thats all I am really asking. Where SHOULD I get my seeds from, and what reason do I have to trust them?

Oh, and if you cross Northern Lights with White Widow, you really aren't doing any sort of genetic engineering, you are just cross-breeding genetically stable strains.

 

[Fadeux]

and if you know your strain well enough it is really not that hard to know if you are growing what you bought, all strains have distinct growth traits and characteristics

So how do you know those traits unless you but them from a verified breeder/bank? Are you an expert on every plant you have brought to fruition? How do you verify the breeder? How do you verify the bank? Just answer the questions and youll win very easily...

 

[massproducer]

Oh, and if you cross Northern Lights with White Widow, you really aren't doing any sort of genetic engineering, you are just cross-breeding genetically stable strains.

Isn't this what you just said that you don't do???? I never said anything about genetic engineering, you said this is not how strains are made and i said actually yes it is, then to stablize the traits of that strain, you selective breed the offspring, I have created several IBL's and have been breeding for a number of years, I have a copy of MJ Botony, and had it as well for years, so please you do not have enough experience to be lecturing me on breeding.

Like I said buying from reputable breeders, it is not hard to tell if you are growing the sour diesel that you paid for, based on growth traits, characteristics and aroma, it is actually rather easy.

BUT as I said to you, how are you safer buying seeds from holland?

 

[massproducer]

So how do you know those traits unless you but them from a verified breeder/bank? Are you an expert on every plant you have brought to fruition? How do you verify the breeder? How do you verify the bank? Just answer the questions and youll win very easily...

You are buying seeds based on the traits and characteristics of the strain, you do not just buy cannabis seeds? So if you are buying based on what the plant should or could look like then...what makes it hard to know that this plant is growing totally different then stated and then others that have grown it.

Do you truly think that reputable breeders and even seed banks in NA, do not have to worry about reputation? Like they can just rip people off and stay in business because they are in North america, that is what is non sense, like just think about it.

No i never claimed to be an expert on every strain, but you can be sure that I have done massive amounts of research on both the breeder and strain before i even consider buying it, I would think that any smart consumer would.

Once again dealing with reputable breeder, their is information regarding them and their products everywhere, you are typing on the internet now, search it for information.

By the way this has nothing to do with winning anything, and you are right it is your opinion, but you have to understand that your opinions are being left on a public forum, I feel that your opinions are not based on facts, so I called you on it, so everyone that reads this after us, and there will be people, will be able to make an educated decision on wheater to believe yours or my redderick

 

[Fadeux]

You win. I am done with this conversation. You aren't actually explaining anything, you just care more about being right. Everyone LISTEN to this guy, he obviously knows what he's talking about. I still have yet to see a seedbank he thinks we should buy from.

I am not saying I am right friend, I just want you to answer my questions.

So you are a great breeder, and I am just a student. Fantastic, actually teach me something instead of just saying what a great breeder you are. I won't argue with you anymore, I am tired of the "pissing contests" on here. I dont know anything about breeding. You WIN. You totally win. Congrats. You are a great breeder. The only question I am asking is, how, in a black market, do you validate your product. You've gone several posts without answering that question. If you come up with a great strain, and people want to order it from seedbanks, how do they actually know they are getting that?

The truth is, no one does. They don't even get that with wine in todays market. Guess what, Wine is LEGAL. MJ is not. So fantastic for you, but it doesn't do the rest of us much good. So PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, stop LYAO, and tell us

WHAT ARE THE BEST SEEDBANKS FOR US TO ORDER FROM!?

Its an honest question. I have shown you my opinion, and you dont seem to care, you just mock, and make jokes. If I can learn from you, fantastic, thats all I need, but you just keep stabbing back, as though its all you know.

 

[Fadeux]

You are buying seeds based on the traits and characteristics of the strain, you do not just buy cannabis seeds? So if you are buying based on what the plant should or could look like then...what makes it hard to know that this plant is growing totally different then stated and then others that have grown it.

Do you truly think that repuable breeder and even seed banks in NA, do not have to worry about reputation? Like they can just rip people off and stay in business because they are in North america, that is what is non sense, like just think about it.

No i never claimed to be an expert on every strain, but you can be sure that I have done massive amounts of research on both the breeder and strain before i even consider buying it, I would think that any smart consumer would.

Once again dealing with reputable breeder, their is information regarding them and their products everywhere, you are typing on the internet now, search it for information.

So please, give me ONE example of a N.A. Seedbank we can buy from in the US. Give me one example of ANY seedbank we can buy from AROUND THE WORLD.

 

[massproducer]

You truly must be slow or something, we were talking about breeders, because i have an alright relationship with a few breeders, I get my beans directly from them.

What seedbank you should use is all about what companies seeds they sell and what you want, which I have no idea because first you are talking in general. What do you want explained how to look for greenmans page where he has listed all popular seedbanks, with ratings. You do not know how to search the internet for information?

gypsi, doc chronic, hemp depot, like man you have got to be more useful then this, you can not even search for freakin seed banks??????

Please, please explain to me where I said and talked about being a great breeder? I would never say that as consider myself an amature breeder, this is not my job, i have a career, so please do not put words in my mouth

 

[massproducer]

You say that I know your opinion, your opinion on what? So what is the best seedbank and breeder in holland? Because everything you say is in general, but then you want your questions answered specifically

The fact is that you have no said one specific thing in this entire time

 

[massproducer]

You just do not get it... That is not how it works, you can not just call up doc and say well you do not know me, i have no reputation, but will you sell my seeds for me? Sorry but it just doesn't work that way... Firstly before any reputable seedbank will deal with you or your product they are going to test the quality control, but before you ever get to that point they need to develop a repuation within the industry

If you come up with a great strain, and people want to order it from seedbanks, how do they actually know they are getting that?

The truth is, no one does. They don't even get that with wine in todays market. Guess what, Wine is LEGAL. MJ is not. So fantastic for you, but it doesn't do the rest of us much good. So PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, stop LYAO, and tell us

WHAT ARE THE BEST SEEDBANKS FOR US TO ORDER FROM!?

 

[massproducer]

it is funny how i answer every single question you asked but as soon as I asked you to clearify, you decided to do a David Blaine, and you actually have the nerve to say that I didn't explain anything, I explained everything.

 

[Dexter]

Amsterdam is the past, Better sh** going on all over the shop