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Keef
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Giggy I got the knowledge but body been letting me down !-- Staying too high to do it ? -- Nope I scrubbed for open heart surgery! -- That's not a problem !-- Seems like every time I'm up to it we get a storm or something ! It's become a joke around here !--Sometimes fate will place one obstacle after another between U and your goals !--Sometime the will is not enough to change the situation !--
I thought it was funny that Nes say she don't have a grow room !--Mane most of us don't have a proper grow room !--I grow in a bathroom and the attached walking closet!--We all make do with what we got to work with!--Got the babies in a box in the corner of another room !
I thought it was funny that Nes say she don't have a grow room !--Mane most of us don't have a proper grow room !--I grow in a bathroom and the attached walking closet!--We all make do with what we got to work with!--Got the babies in a box in the corner of another room !
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Keef
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What up Cane !--How's the babies handling the cold ?
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Struggling Some Keef, Have a elect. heater going & a humidifier, think I might have a better handle,On it... This is a good test for a winter grow... They are looking perky this morn, with the new soil mix.. Time will tell...
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Keef
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U should hear that wind howling out there!-- I hope Hopper be O.K. they got hammered last night !--Took me some caps the face ain't happy about the weather and the left arm hurts in my neck and shoulder when I use it !-- I try to remind myself that I'm lucky to be alive and not paralyzed !-- More coffee and a toke or two --I be O.K. !--
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morning cane. keef that reminds me of the song by ray stevens transplanted heart (heart says go, body says no, heart says charge, body says retreat, go on a bender, i surrender). i do know the feeling and the rain has been something else for sure. i need to be building a shop and plan to build a grow room on the back but the weather has not let up much and the last thing i need to do is get the tractor or service truck stuck in the yard.
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Rose say that stem cell treatment for her knees were expensive --I need an I.V. whole body treatment !-- Weather has worked me lately !-- Oh !--That hot tub will be hooked up soon whether I do it or find some one to do it for me !--I know if I do it gonna hurt me for days --I think I'm afraid of that much pain ! The babies look good this morning !-- I gotta figure out how I'm keep my rotation going while I bring these new varieties into the mix!--Think I'm gonna leave them in dirt until I can take the top for clone and when they recover and I got rooted clones --I think I'll flip the original dirt plants!-- I.D. the girls and put them to work making clones!--
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Keef
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Just heard from my favorite Canadian. --He say this guy with the tetra seed doesn't have the best reputation and asking if I really want to buy those seed from him !-- There is no other place to get tetra seed!---I got to take the chance !--If the seed aren't tetraploid I'll know and tell anyone and everyone that he's a cheat !-- Better #4ordered some GG#4 seed ordered ! Get me a pack too!
Keef man, if a known associate gives you tips on a sketchy guy then I would personally heed the warning. This guy could at the very least could just be selling random bag seed, but worse if he gets pinched is he gonna rat your you know what out. If you want so epic genetics to work with pm me and we can talk. I can at least get you pointed in a direction of known certainty. If your really interested in getting a "tetra" line going you need the correct building blocks and a certainty that your dealing with the real thing...I would hate for you to get to and f2-f3 and try and cube it just to have random results. You want to be very certain of your genetics when you start, or after 2 crosses the water gonna be so muddy your not going to know where to go next....just my opinion. I borrowed this for your reading pleasure, if your already ahead of me then I did not mean to insult your intelligence, if not this will make for some good reading. 
"here is a text Chimera wrote about cubing/backcrossing, it explain what bc do
Backcross Breeding –
A type of breeding that involves repeated crossing of progeny with one of the original parental genotypes; cannabis breeders most often cross progeny to the mother plant. This parent is known as the recurrent parent. The non-recurrent parent is called the donor parent. More widely, any time a generation is crossed to a previous generation, it is a form of backcross breeding. Backcross breeding has become one of the staple methods clandestine cannabis breeders use, mainly because it is a simple, rapid method when using greenhouses or grow
rooms, and requires only small populations. The principle goal of backcross breeding is to create a population of individuals derived mainly from the genetics of one single parent (the recurrent parent).
The donor parent is chosen based on a trait of interest that the recurrent parent lacks; the idea is to introgress this trait into the backcross population, such that the new population is comprised mainly of genetics from the recurrent parent, but also contains the genes responsible for the trait of interest from the donor parent.
The backcross method is a suitable scheme for adding new desirable traits to a mostly ideal, relatively true-breeding genotype. When embarking on a backcross breeding plan, the recurrent parent should be a highly acceptable or nearly ideal genotype (for example, an existing commercial cultivar or inbred line). The ideal traits considered for introgression into the new seed line should be simply inherited and easily scored for phenotype. The best donor parent must possess the desired trait, but should not be seriously deficient in other traits. Backcross line production is repeatable, if the same parents are used.
Backcross breeding is best used when adding simply inherited dominant traits that can easily be identified in the progeny of each generation (example 1). Recessive traits are more difficult to select for in backcross breeding, since their expression is masked by dominance in each backcross to the recurrent parent. An additional round of open pollination or sib-mating is needed after each backcross generation, to expose homozygous-recessive plants. Individuals showing the recessive condition are selected from F2 segregating generations and backcrossed to the recurrent parent (see example 2).
Example 1– Backcrossing: Incorporating a dominant trait
Step1– Recurrent Parent × Donor Parent
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F1 Hybrid generation
Step 2 – Select desirable plants showing dominant trait, and hybridize selected plants to recurrent parent. The generation produced is denoted BC1 (some cannabis breeders break from botanical convention and denote this generation Bx1. BC1= Bx1).
Step 3 – Select plants from BC1 and hybridize with the recurrent parent; the resulting generation is denoted BC2.
Step 4 – Select plants from BC2 and hybridize with the recurrent parent; the resulting generation is denoted BC3.
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Example 2 Backcrossing: Incorporating a recessive trait
Step1– Recurrent Parent × Donor Parent
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F1 Hybrid generation
Step 2 – Select desirable plants, and create an F2 population via full sib-mating.
Step 3 – Select plants showing the desired recessive trait in the F2 generation, then hybridize selected F2-recessive plants to the recurrent parent. The generation produced is denoted BC1.
Step 3 – Select plants from BC1, and create a generation of F2 plants via sib-mating; the resulting generation can be denoted BC1F2
Step 4 – Select desirable BC1F2 plants showing the recessive condition, and hybridize with the recurrent parent; the resulting generation is denoted BC2.
Step 5 – Select plants from BC2, and create an F2 population via sib-mating; denote the resulting generation BC2F2.
Step 6 – Select plants showing the recessive condition from the BC2F2 generation, and hybridize to the recurrent parent; the resulting generation is denoted BC3.
Step 7 – Grow out BC3, select and sib-mate the most ideal candidates to create an F2 population, where plants showing the recessive condition are then selected and used as a basis for a new inbred, or open-pollinated seed line.
This new generation created from the F2 is a population that consists of, on average, ~93.7% of genes from the recurrent parent, and only ~6.3% of genes leftover from the donor parent. Most importantly, one should note that since only homozygous-recessives were chosen for mating in the BC3F2 generation, the entire resulting BC3F3 generation is homozygous for the recessive trait, and breeds true for this recessive trait. Our new population meets our breeding objective. It is a population derived mainly from the genetics of the recurrent parent, yet breeds true for our introgressed recessive trait.
Backcross derived lines are expected to be well-adapted to the environment in which they will be grown, which is another reason backcrossing is often used by cannabis breeders who operate indoors. Indoor grow rooms are easily replicated all over the world, so the grower is able to grow the plants in a similar environment in which they were bred. Progeny therefore need less extensive field-testing by the breeder across a wide range of environments.
If two or more characters are to be introgressed into a new seed line, these would usually be tracked in separate backcross programs, and the individual products would be combined in a final set of crosses after the new populations have been created by backcrossing.
The backcross scheme has specific drawbacks, however. When the recurrent parent is not very true-breeding, the resulting backcross generations segregate, and many of the traits deemed desirable to the line fail to be reproduced reliably. Another limitation of the backcross is that the “improved” variety differs only slightly from the recurrent parent (e.g., one trait). If multiple traits are to be introgressed into the new population, other techniques such as inbreeding or recurrent selection may be more rewarding.
Hope that's a little more clear......
Respectfully,
-Chimera "
"here is a text Chimera wrote about cubing/backcrossing, it explain what bc do
Backcross Breeding –
A type of breeding that involves repeated crossing of progeny with one of the original parental genotypes; cannabis breeders most often cross progeny to the mother plant. This parent is known as the recurrent parent. The non-recurrent parent is called the donor parent. More widely, any time a generation is crossed to a previous generation, it is a form of backcross breeding. Backcross breeding has become one of the staple methods clandestine cannabis breeders use, mainly because it is a simple, rapid method when using greenhouses or grow
rooms, and requires only small populations. The principle goal of backcross breeding is to create a population of individuals derived mainly from the genetics of one single parent (the recurrent parent).
The donor parent is chosen based on a trait of interest that the recurrent parent lacks; the idea is to introgress this trait into the backcross population, such that the new population is comprised mainly of genetics from the recurrent parent, but also contains the genes responsible for the trait of interest from the donor parent.
The backcross method is a suitable scheme for adding new desirable traits to a mostly ideal, relatively true-breeding genotype. When embarking on a backcross breeding plan, the recurrent parent should be a highly acceptable or nearly ideal genotype (for example, an existing commercial cultivar or inbred line). The ideal traits considered for introgression into the new seed line should be simply inherited and easily scored for phenotype. The best donor parent must possess the desired trait, but should not be seriously deficient in other traits. Backcross line production is repeatable, if the same parents are used.
Backcross breeding is best used when adding simply inherited dominant traits that can easily be identified in the progeny of each generation (example 1). Recessive traits are more difficult to select for in backcross breeding, since their expression is masked by dominance in each backcross to the recurrent parent. An additional round of open pollination or sib-mating is needed after each backcross generation, to expose homozygous-recessive plants. Individuals showing the recessive condition are selected from F2 segregating generations and backcrossed to the recurrent parent (see example 2).
Example 1– Backcrossing: Incorporating a dominant trait
Step1– Recurrent Parent × Donor Parent
|
V
F1 Hybrid generation
Step 2 – Select desirable plants showing dominant trait, and hybridize selected plants to recurrent parent. The generation produced is denoted BC1 (some cannabis breeders break from botanical convention and denote this generation Bx1. BC1= Bx1).
Step 3 – Select plants from BC1 and hybridize with the recurrent parent; the resulting generation is denoted BC2.
Step 4 – Select plants from BC2 and hybridize with the recurrent parent; the resulting generation is denoted BC3.
.
Example 2 Backcrossing: Incorporating a recessive trait
Step1– Recurrent Parent × Donor Parent
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V
F1 Hybrid generation
Step 2 – Select desirable plants, and create an F2 population via full sib-mating.
Step 3 – Select plants showing the desired recessive trait in the F2 generation, then hybridize selected F2-recessive plants to the recurrent parent. The generation produced is denoted BC1.
Step 3 – Select plants from BC1, and create a generation of F2 plants via sib-mating; the resulting generation can be denoted BC1F2
Step 4 – Select desirable BC1F2 plants showing the recessive condition, and hybridize with the recurrent parent; the resulting generation is denoted BC2.
Step 5 – Select plants from BC2, and create an F2 population via sib-mating; denote the resulting generation BC2F2.
Step 6 – Select plants showing the recessive condition from the BC2F2 generation, and hybridize to the recurrent parent; the resulting generation is denoted BC3.
Step 7 – Grow out BC3, select and sib-mate the most ideal candidates to create an F2 population, where plants showing the recessive condition are then selected and used as a basis for a new inbred, or open-pollinated seed line.
This new generation created from the F2 is a population that consists of, on average, ~93.7% of genes from the recurrent parent, and only ~6.3% of genes leftover from the donor parent. Most importantly, one should note that since only homozygous-recessives were chosen for mating in the BC3F2 generation, the entire resulting BC3F3 generation is homozygous for the recessive trait, and breeds true for this recessive trait. Our new population meets our breeding objective. It is a population derived mainly from the genetics of the recurrent parent, yet breeds true for our introgressed recessive trait.
Backcross derived lines are expected to be well-adapted to the environment in which they will be grown, which is another reason backcrossing is often used by cannabis breeders who operate indoors. Indoor grow rooms are easily replicated all over the world, so the grower is able to grow the plants in a similar environment in which they were bred. Progeny therefore need less extensive field-testing by the breeder across a wide range of environments.
If two or more characters are to be introgressed into a new seed line, these would usually be tracked in separate backcross programs, and the individual products would be combined in a final set of crosses after the new populations have been created by backcrossing.
The backcross scheme has specific drawbacks, however. When the recurrent parent is not very true-breeding, the resulting backcross generations segregate, and many of the traits deemed desirable to the line fail to be reproduced reliably. Another limitation of the backcross is that the “improved” variety differs only slightly from the recurrent parent (e.g., one trait). If multiple traits are to be introgressed into the new population, other techniques such as inbreeding or recurrent selection may be more rewarding.
Hope that's a little more clear......
Respectfully,
-Chimera "
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umbra
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Good Morning OFC
Morning Umbra, how's Sunday feeling today. I'm just puttering around the house, and trying to finish both a cup of coffee and a bowl that I started at 10am. Waiting to see if Rose comes out of her cookie coma
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ok, i have a lot to catch up on. First of all Kraven, quit pouring sugar on your bud.. I am hep to your tricks.. They can't be that frosty, yes, i know they are.
Nes, i love you emocons dancing all over the place.
Keef, your idea of a winter get away for stoners is perfect. Sign me up. Arizona isn't for me..
Hippie, my ebrother... no i did not eat 50 cookies.
I did however, eat a quarter of one. It was very good. Made with almond flour, oatmeal cookies that you can hardly taste any pot in them..coconut butter was involved I bet.. Any way, tonight a half of one.. They are really tasty and i liked the affect of the little bit I had.
Going to friends for the seahawks game. daughter is doing a taco bar for them. I am putting a turkey breast in the slow cooker for tonight.
Nes, i love you emocons dancing all over the place.
Keef, your idea of a winter get away for stoners is perfect. Sign me up. Arizona isn't for me..
Hippie, my ebrother... no i did not eat 50 cookies.
I did however, eat a quarter of one. It was very good. Made with almond flour, oatmeal cookies that you can hardly taste any pot in them..coconut butter was involved I bet.. Any way, tonight a half of one.. They are really tasty and i liked the affect of the little bit I had.
Going to friends for the seahawks game. daughter is doing a taco bar for them. I am putting a turkey breast in the slow cooker for tonight.
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Glad to see some familiar faces .
How's yooper?
Take care old farts!
How's yooper?
Take care old farts!
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Keef
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Stank in the house !--Rose don't be a sissy eat a whole cookie U won't die!-- Stank I gonna order some GG#4 seed this afternoon --Want some ?
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Rose we got a freeze tonight gonna get into the 40s !-- Hippie that is one ugly sweater!
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