Dreaming Big 2.0

[MtnStew]

Had no clue this chart was in the trolmaster app. I'm definitely hitting above the STRESS VPD right now. Humidifier will be added very soon.

I can tell when a human enters the grow room. CO² starts to rise, humidity and temp falls. "Steve just entered the room to check on last night's adjustments.
SkunkOG was pinned down some more. I'll give ya'll an update at some point today. I have a mutated plant as well that i plan to grow out and watch the craziness. I'll show this one seedling and the rest will be in the update today.

Ultra lemon haze auto... the other is perfect. This one decided it's leaves didn't need to come to a point. It's been a long time since I've had a mutant. Most grow really good.
Here's my favorite mutation of the past.

 

[MtnStew]

Who's ready for the update?

Yesterday's photos

They got a little dry but all seem to be doing alright considering the 30%-40% RH we got currently.
Today's pic of seedlings

SkunkOG got pinned.
Before

After

And the bounce back in today's photos

SkunkOG had her first dose of half strength nutes since the flush 2 weeks ago. For 2 weeks of just water from the flush she is looking pretty healthy. We discontinued use of the calmag+ and b52 temporarily.
And the trellis net frame is starting to come down to open up the room for us.

And that will do it for today's update. Time to wipe. Yeah I said it. So what?

 

[Hippie420]

I use CO2 in a sealed room. It works. I do it because it's good for the plants and I'm cheap. What a lot of folks don't realize is that after the plants use up all the CO2 in a room, they quit growing. Why pay for electricity for lights when it's not benefitting the plants? Give 'em what they need. They'll love ya for it.
I've got the tanks on a controller at a set PPM. I also have the valves set to come on a half hour before the lights come on (breakfast ready, girls) and to go off a half hour before the lights go off.
Told ya I was cheap!

 

[MtnStew]

I use CO2 in a sealed room. It works. I do it because it's good for the plants and I'm cheap. What a lot of folks don't realize is that after the plants use up all the CO2 in a room, they quit growing. Why pay for electricity for lights when it's not benefitting the plants? Give 'em what they need. They'll love ya for it.
I've got the tanks on a controller at a set PPM. I also have the valves set to come on a half hour before the lights come on (breakfast ready, girls) and to go off a half hour before the lights go off.
Told ya I was cheap!

We're looking into a propane CO² burner instead of more tanks. We have the plug for the Hydro X controller that will turn it on and off as needed to maintain the correct ppm for each week we set.
The controller works with the tanks but $100-200 per tank for new ones plus finding a close enough location to fill them is more costly than propane refills.
Our current 20 gallon tank only lasts 5-7 days in high growth Veg. Like 700-800ppm i think is what he sets it to.
We have to wait for the seedlings to be transplanted and then we will add co² starting at 400ppm for the first 2 weeks increasing by 200ppm per week for the next 2 until we're at 800ppm for a total of 7 weeks.
This is going to be on the low end of ppm for the flowering autos but I don't want to cause any problems with the photos in veg so were going to stick to 800 until the autos run their course.
Once we flip to 12/12 we will be up around 1000-1200ppm for up to 9 weeks. At which point a 20 gallon tank will only lasts a couple days.
I've never run CO² before. This is a first for me. "Steve" told me how long each tank lasted him in previous grows.
I really think a burner would better suit our needs. I really don't want to decrease potential yield by just running a lower DLI and no CO² but it is still an option if we want to save money.

I used to spend 10+ hours a day in my grow room back when I was breeding. Never realized that my presence was increasing CO² and helping the plants grow. With this controller I now understand that a person or a couple people just breathing in a grow room brings it up quite a bit. Last night it hit 500+ppm with us 2 in there. Hit 300ppm with him taking some of the frame down and 250ppm when I just went in for a couple more pics.

 

[Hippie420]

In my setup, I'd be worried about the added heat from the burner. I keep three 20 pound tanks on hand. When I get to the third tank, I take the two empties to a place I found in the southend that's the cheapest to refill.
The room is sealed. Pretty stingy with the gas.

 

[MtnStew]

In my setup, I'd be worried about the added heat from the burner. I keep three 20 pound tanks on hand. When I get to the third tank, I take the two empties to a place I found in the southend that's the cheapest to refill.
The room is sealed. Pretty stingy with the gas.

If you look at some of my room pics. We have exhaust fans directed to vent outside. Only 1 is shown in the photos but there's 3 total. They aren't currently hooked up to ducting because they arent being used currently. And an 8000btu A/C for temp control.
The room is 8'x24' so we can probably put it on the other side of the room opposite the plants near the A/C.
There's also a second room we can put the burner in if it becomes necessary for heat control. We'll just have to run a couple 4" fans through the shared wall.

I can get a couple used 20g tanks for $125. Used burner for $75.
Tanks cost $20-$30 to refill each one. The local grow shop that i can get refills cheap shuts down on 12/31 and the next one is 20 miles away. Other than that our local welding shops charge 30+. Brew and beverage shops around here its $25+ per tank.
This brings the average for the initial purchase up to over $200 for 2 more tanks, and 3 refills.
Burner cost of $75 and tank refill of $15 brings total inital cost to $90. I think we can figure out a way to go with the burner without increasing the heat beyond optimal conditions.
I appreciate the assistance and hope I can figure this all out soon.
I will continue to try to locate cheaper tanks and cheaper refill options that are less than 10 miles from either one of us. But so far no luck.

 

[WeedHopper]

Never had enough heat in my grow rooms to use or need CO2.
Mostly I grew outside until the Wife said no more. Texas can get pretty ****** with ppl growing weed,,, especially outside.
My plants loved the heat outside because their was plenty CO2 mother nature style.
But on my inside grows I always kept my grow rooms cool so there was and is no reason for CO2. Plus I keep fresh air moving around and through my grow rooms when I'm growing inside. Never had a problem. Plants were happy and healthy.


I found this. Pretty interesting if you want to learn about adding CO2 to your grow room.
https://www.co2meter.com/blogs/news...grows, a,photosynthesis and harm plant health.

 

[greenmobster440]

You've got some fancy equipment there. I guess I should brew some beer near my plants. I wonder how much that would boost CO2. I dunno, I'm just grasping straws. I know nothing bout CO2 other than what it can do for a grow.

 

[MtnStew]

Tiny 1 gallon humidifier added last night. Created a cloud in the room overnight. "Steve" had to adjust the knob for now. Then asked my why our sensors created a wu-tang symbol.
Going for a grow room Humidifier with smart controls. Set it and forget it. I like constant settings not fluctuating.

We transplanted the 3x Lemon Lime Sherbert seedlings into 3 gallon pots. The rest still have a week to go.

 

[greenmobster440]

I think constant humidity spikes in the summer months helped my flowering crop a long.

I got kinda concerned with almost 70% spikes in the dark. It would go down to mid 50s in light cycle. So daily it went up n down like a yoyo.

I had some dense plants in there too. I only run one 16" fan in there. Stirs things up plenty. Every leaf on every plant flutters in the wind.

Anyways all went well and I made it to harvest but not without concern.

I don't look much at rh anymore. As long as I'm not reaching that dew point and creating puddles all seemed to go well. Got lucky I guess.

 

[Hippie420]

I found this. Pretty interesting if you want to learn about adding CO2 to your grow room.
https://www.co2meter.com/blogs/news/how-to-implement-co2-to-your-grow#:~:text=For most indoor grows, a,photosynthesis and harm plant health.

Nice to have it confirmed that I've been doing it right all along. It's pretty much common sense. It pegged the way I do it perfectly, right down to sealed room, PPM controller, and air flow. I've got five fans going; one in each corner angled to create a tornadic effect, along with a standing oscillating fan where the hose for the CO2 is mounted to give even spread. My digital ballasted lights (remotely mounted) run through a cool tube with the intake pulling air via a duct fan through the tube and exhausted out of the room and into the basement for added house heat. All of my indoor grows are done during the winter, and a little additional heat is a good thing in my climate.

You've got some fancy equipment there. I guess I should brew some beer near my plants. I wonder how much that would boost CO2. I dunno, I'm just grasping straws. I know nothing bout CO2 other than what it can do for a grow.

You just exposed another one of my tricks! I brewed grain alcohol and routed the produced CO2 via the air trap into a dome cover that contained my seedlings/clones. Why waste it?

 

[Hippie420]

GM, I keep a dehumidifier going in my grow room. I put a piece of black tape across the little red indicator light, too.

 

[MtnStew]

GM, I keep a dehumidifier going in my grow room. I put a piece of black tape across the little red indicator light, too.

We had to adjust the dehumidifier settings. It kicked on at 75%. Around 2:50am dropped the humidity to 55% and then shut off again.
We readjusted that to kick on at 70% but there's no way to turn it back off at 65, so it will drop to 55 again and then build.
I was originally going for the TrolMaster humidity controller plug but I think a grow room humidifier will do better on its own. Backlit with a green light, so no need for tape. AC Infinity has one for like $60. It's worth the investment.

 

[KGB]

I use CO2 in a sealed room. It works. I do it because it's good for the plants and I'm cheap. What a lot of folks don't realize is that after the plants use up all the CO2 in a room, they quit growing. Why pay for electricity for lights when it's not benefitting the plants? Give 'em what they need. They'll love ya for it.
I've got the tanks on a controller at a set PPM. I also have the valves set to come on a half hour before the lights come on (breakfast ready, girls) and to go off a half hour before the lights go off.
Told ya I was cheap!

I am so cheap I have an idea for free CO2!

I run a vent hose out to a signpost and right above the hose I say “If you must argue this signpost wants to know why”

Oh and it comes with a free app they can download later. There is no app so they will come back to complain to the signpost.

I think I may start a franchise

 

[KGB]

We had to adjust the dehumidifier settings. It kicked on at 75%. Around 2:50am dropped the humidity to 55% and then shut off again.
We readjusted that to kick on at 70% but there's no way to turn it back off at 65, so it will drop to 55 again and then build.
I was originally going for the TrolMaster humidity controller plug but I think a grow room humidifier will do better on its own. Backlit with a green light, so no need for tape. AC Infinity has one for like $60. It's worth the investment.

I have the AC Infinity T3 and if you have a controller that’s a definite only choice. I consider it essential to have a humidifier and a heater also controlled with my controller during the first 3-4 weeks then I go with the temps the light generate and whatever the temperature falls to. In my case 78 during light and 65 during dark

 

[MtnStew]

I have the AC Infinity T3 and if you have a controller that’s a definite only choice. I consider it essential to have a humidifier and a heater also controlled with my controller during the first 3-4 weeks then I go with the temps the light generate and whatever the temperature falls to. In my case 78 during light and 65 during dark

Do all AC Infinity humidifiers require an AC Infinity controller unit or can they work as a stand alone humidifier? Not sure of their compatibility with TrolMaster. Haven't done enough research.

 

[KGB]

Do all AC Infinity humidifiers require an AC Infinity controller unit or can they work as a stand alone humidifier? Not sure of their compatibility with TrolMaster. Haven't done enough research.

They can work stand alone and are programmable from their front panel.

I will say the front panel programming is confusing to most

Just looked at your controller I assume you are running hydro. AC doesn’t have anything hydro at this time but are planning on releasing one in like 8 months. The picture of the prototype I saw allows it to sample then add a small amount of what it needs from multiple jugs of things like fertilizers for different stages and ph up and down.

Basically hook up all the jugs and check on the app now and again. Is that what your unit does?

 

[MtnStew]

They can work stand alone and are programmable from their front panel.

I will say the front panel programming is confusing to most

Just looked at your controller I assume you are running hydro. AC doesn’t have anything hydro at this time but are planning on releasing one in like 8 months. The picture of the prototype I saw allows it to sample then add a small amount of what it needs from multiple jugs of things like fertilizers for different stages and ph up and down.

Basically hook up all the jugs and check on the app now and again. Is that what your unit does?

We have the TrolMaster Hydro X controller. But we are soil and hand feeding with Advanced Nutrients SensiGrow pH perfect parts a and b for veg. And SensiBloom a and b for flower.
The controller is hooked up for lights on off and adjusting brightness, CO² automation, temperature and humidity readings. For now. We have to replace the broken Full-spectrum Quantum Sensor for automated light control. And we need to get an adjustable humidifier or the controller plug for the Hydro X to allow for automation of humidity.
Also, by the time we flip to flowering, we'll be getting the Variable Frequency Drive Station for fan speed control. That should help with temp control. The Air Conditioner will probably be operated manually when necessary but we shouldn't need it throughout the winter months.

 

[Hippie420]

When I redo the grow room, I'm going to delete the air conditioner I've got installed. I only grow inside during the winter and found I don't need it.