dont mention LED's

[ShOrTbUs]

You obviously didnt read the thread like you said... Nobody using LED has even mentioned running SOG style in this thread...? they are running plants... look at the pictures... read the posts....

where in my post did i say anyone has? sog is the only way i see led's matching hps in weight. which is clearly an opinion of mine. are your trying to argue that my opinion is wrong? if so, maybe you should look up the definition of opinion. better yet, how about you contribute to the thread instead of over analyzing and unsuccessfully attempting to debunk my opinions. causing unwanted drama in a thread that clearly doesn't need anymore.

 

[P Jammers]

PJ, do you use the same LED setup from veg through bud?

No, totally different setup.

 

[JustAnotherAntMarching]

where in my post did i say anyone has? sog is the only way i see led's matching hps in weight. which is clearly an opinion of mine. are your trying to argue that my opinion is wrong? if so, maybe you should look up the definition of opinion. better yet, how about you contribute to the thread instead of over analyzing and unsuccessfully attempting to debunk my opinions. causing unwanted drama in a thread that clearly doesn't need anymore.

Dude read the thread.... PJ has stated most of the strains he runs that the yield actually increased....?

I dont understand why everyone thinks the only way to yield with LEDs is SOG? Its simply not true...

 

[Roddy]

I dont understand why everyone thinks

I just read the whole thread again and I don't understand why you say EVERYONE....

It has been said the gals need to be smaller, maybe there was a bit of misunderstanding or maybe that's how Shortbus sees it working best, idk. Either way it's not that big a deal really.....lol, a small one

 

[Roddy]

One place I could definitely see this lighting work better would be for headspace limited growers who had a good bit of start up money.

Maybe when they figure out the science, the prices will also drop.

 

[DrFever]

imo unless you have unreasonably cold temps, i feel as though MH are obsolete. if grown properly you should NEVER see any stretch from cfl & ho t5's in veg. t5's being more popular b/c they cover a wider area and are more efficient.

after following this thread from start to finish, this is my personal take on the subject:

led's have come a long way, and are now a viable option for flowering. are they the best option? it depends if your growing for quality or quantity. its about what is more important to you and your grow personally. i think that since LED's have more usable light that they will produce a SLIGHTLY overall better quality product. this is just an assumption of mine, b/c i have never grown with LEd's or even smoked mj from an LED' grow(that i know of). BUT led's lack in the quantity department, UNLESS running SOG. hps seems to produce larger bud sites then LED. due to more penetration power.

what i'd really like to see is a hps w/CO2 vs led grow w/CO2... i wanna see how they match up under 100% optimal conditions

for me its as simple as this...if i'm a new grower i should look into LED's as a possible pathway. BUT there is no reason in their current state to replace hps with LED

i have yet to puchase my 600w hps light. after going through this thread, a lot of google searches, and getting a few questions answered. i've decided that hps is right for me.

EDIT: a question i cant find the answer for. maybe u can help pjammers.

i've heard from a fellow local grower who has a very strong opinion that LED's are now the BEST...and theirs no debating him b/c he's never wrong(u know the type)

i heard from him that they are now making 5watt diodes. from every post i've seen, all of your lights are running 3watt diodes. is there any truth to this? are they still beta testing the higher wattage, and have yet to put into production?

IMO LED will never out perform HID lighting in any aspect of growth yield or anything else for that matter we always see these LED threads pop up owe them nice looking purple plants look so nice but after a few weeks and most importantly flowering phase thread an OP disappears you ever wonder why????
I'll tell you LED are WEAK period perfect for the closet grower worried about heat issues wooot but wait one moment here LED do produce internal heat and that is bad stuff specially for life expectancy.
And why will LED never compete easy try competing with hordilux a company that spends million upon millions on QC and bettering there products

Until a LED panel can produce a bud like this i will stick to Hid

 

[ShOrTbUs]

wow that cola, how large of a plant did that come off of? or is that the whole plant lol?

 

[JustAnotherAntMarching]

Until a LED panel can produce a bud like this i will stick to Hid

And you will keep droppin $150 to replace each bulb for however many lights your running every 6 to 12 months... :holysheep:

 

[Roddy]

And you will keep droppin $150 to replace each bulb for however many lights your running every 6 to 12 months... :holysheep:

Now come on, most of us don't pay NEARLY that much for a bulb...... :holysheep:

Personally, I too will continue to pay for better bulbs, the better buds justify it.

 

[WeedHopper]

Ill pay 150.00 for freaken Buds like that,,, anyday.

 

[dman1234]

30 dollar hps bulbs can and will produce monster buds. imo

 

[DrFever]

And you will keep droppin $150 to replace each bulb for however many lights your running every 6 to 12 months... :holysheep:

You know i haven't replaced a bulb in 3 years the life expectancy on 1 k bulb is what 12,000 hrs ????? + if you do the math 1266 hrs on a bulb for one grow = 2.5 pounds 1 k grown x 10 grows ??? bulb life expectancy
which yields me 25 pounds for that bulbs life if you think a person would be worried about meesly 150 bucks for a bulb hahahaha ok then your cheap

also cost wise 1 k averages under 40.00 a month 1k set up 400.00

so 3 months for a grow 120
1k light 400
plant food 60
exhaust fan 300
= _____
880.00

yield 2.5 pounds @ 3400 a pound value
gross 8500.00

minus your intial 880 running costs 7620.00 in your pocket cha ching

LED cost 600 +
Electrical 60
plant food 60
fresh air fan 100.00
= 820 initial costs

Yields were talking a few oz if your lucky

Veg times double to compare to a hid growth speed

final results you going into the hole as your few 0z don't even cover initial purchase and operating costs
Shall i say more

 

[Locked]

Yields were talking a few oz if your lucky

Veg times double to compare to a hid growth speed

final results you going into the hole as your few 0z don't even cover initial purchase and operating costs
Shall i say more

3 years without changing the bulb?

Your math and pessimistic views on LED's dont hold water with me...kinda reminds me of Romney's math.
Veg times are not doulble that of HID lighting....and writing off all LED grows for " a few ounces" is ridiculous.

 

[DrFever]

3 years without changing the bulb?

Your math and pessimistic views on LED's dont hold water with me...kinda reminds me of Romney's math.
Veg times are not doulble that of HID lighting....and writing off all LED grows for " a few ounces" is ridiculous.

that is correct i only do 4 grows a year 5 weeks veg under 1 k 630 hrs on bulb for veg and 504 hrs @ 12 /12 giving me 1134 total hrs for a grow flower 2 k 5 x 8 scrog my previous grow i yielded 4.75 pounds dry 2 k 5 plants
bottom line yield my current grow is 5 x 15 scrog 3 k 1800ppm co2 enriched 12 plants which will yield me 7 - 8 pounds dry on day 1 of flower presently
would love to see a 5 week Veg LED i will put money it won't compare to one of my trees @ 5 weeks veg here is one plant pic like i said would love to see a LED @ 5 weeks veg 5 weeks ago it was 3 " cutting 1 1/4 pound dry per plant isn't to bad yea think

 

[DrFever]

i am curious how much LED would you need to cover a 5 x 10 scrog table veg 5 plants to achieve 4.75 pounds and how much would it cost for the set up ????

 

[The Hemp Goddess]

While a HPS bulb will last that long, they lose lumens over time. I like to change out my bulb at least every year because of this. I want to make sure I get the best for my money. A bulb not operating at peak will cost you money and yield.

Great looking buds, however!

 

[Growdude]

i am curious how much LED would you need to cover a 5 x 10 scrog table veg 5 plants to achieve 4.75 pounds and how much would it cost for the set up ????

What was said to me in this thread was that you would need 2000 watts of acctual power usage of LED, the same as what you used.

Now if that is what is needed I really dont see any benefit to LED.
Cost of bulbs... what a joke $25.00 for a 1000 watt HPS at 1000bulbs.
I gotta enough dope in the carpet for that.

Yea nice buds Dr.

 

[Old_SSSC_Guy]

I know its mostly subjective, but I have seen a definite improvement in volume from replacing 1+ yr old HPS lamps.

I use an ancient scientific method to know when to change lamps: when it just doesn't look as bright as it used to.

But I do wish they had hour meters on ballasts, like any decent engine.

 

[JustAnotherAntMarching]

that is correct i only do 4 grows a year 5 weeks veg under 1 k 630 hrs on bulb for veg and 504 hrs @ 12 /12 giving me 1134 total hrs for a grow flower 2 k 5 x 8 scrog my previous grow i yielded 4.75 pounds dry 2 k 5 plants
bottom line yield my current grow is 5 x 15 scrog 3 k 1800ppm co2 enriched 12 plants which will yield me 7 - 8 pounds dry on day 1 of flower presently
would love to see a 5 week Veg LED i will put money it won't compare to one of my trees @ 5 weeks veg here is one plant pic like i said would love to see a LED @ 5 weeks veg 5 weeks ago it was 3 " cutting 1 1/4 pound dry per plant isn't to bad yea think

Another Dr here to try and flex his muscles....

 

[DrFever]

I know its mostly subjective, but I have seen a definite improvement in volume from replacing 1+ yr old HPS lamps.

I use an ancient scientific method to know when to change lamps: when it just doesn't look as bright as it used to.

But I do wish they had hour meters on ballasts, like any decent engine.

I have allot of 1k bulbs new and some with hrs i normally change them out around 8000 hrs everytime i run a bulb for veg once done i mark on box how many hrs on it to keep a record of it seems to work rather well for record keeping