Heya Hi-C, err Hick
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While I applaud anyone keeping genetics alive and circulating in the pool, it is kind of misleading to the buyer. As you said, a lot, if not most, will be expecting the original clone only phenotype.
I also agree that "elites" are, for the most part, exceptional phenotypes of particular crosses. Some examples are the Cherry AK 47 phenotype. Or the SSH catpiss pheno. Still available in seed, but finding that pheno is a rare occurance. On the other side of that coin are the freak bagseeds that turn out something special. The most famous of these being Chemdawg. Not available in seed form, and therefore "clone only".
As far as the Cali Kushes go, I couldnt agree with you more. You know I am a medical patient and vendor, and I have to say I have seen more "kushes" than I care to admit. It is truley disappointing see a name exploited strictly for the purpose of financial gain, at the expense of the buyer. I mean, *** is cotton candy kush? platinum kush? XXX Kush? It really is out of hand, and it inhibits keeping the genetics pool orderly and non polluted.
It my opinion that some of the different cuts are actually the same cut. They show different phenotypical expressions based on translocation.
Examples - I have the Katsu Bubba Kush cut, as well as pre 98 Bubba Kush. They both look almost identical, grow identical. The only difference is the Pre 98 tastes like coffee/cappucino with undertones of Kush. The Katsu, is Kush flavored with undertones of coffee/cappucino. in fact, at the time Katsu from OG got bubba kush (which would be what is now called pre 98 BK). He pssed the cut around and everyone named it Katsu BK to give credit for the cut. However, it is still just BK. Just has minor differences in terpenoids and terpenes, because of geographical adaptation. SFV OG Kush is similar to Original cut, only difference is again in the terpenoids. Variances in flavor differentiate the cuts names.
Does that make it correct? IMO no. One should not rename cuts based on variances due to translocation.
hick said:
"If I purchase Bubba Kush seeds, all of my plants WILL be that elite phenotype, that is so coveted by so many. When in fact, those seeds are only "more likely" to yeild that exceptional pheno. Environment, ability and a certain amount of "luck" is involved in discovering and isolating an exceptionally good plant, IMO.
I disagree that an S1 will produce a pheno of itself. Like I said, S1's are esentially an F2 generation, genetically speaking. A mother can not reproduce herself in seed form. It is genetically impossible. (I am not a botanist, so if I am incorrect here, please let me know). Varaition of offspring will be evident. Some offspring might be really close, but will exhibit subtle differences in potency,flavor, smell and effect. A perfect example is the OGers Kush from the defunct Kali Kush Seed Co. They used the SFV OGK cut, but the offspring are easily to spot when smoked. They are close to the momma, but not quite there. The best bet, as I eluded to in the previous post, is to take an S1 that is as close to the mother as possible, and backcross to the original mother as many times as possible. Still wont quite be the mother, but can be close. Rez's SD IBL is a perfect example, as I mentioned above. Close, but there are differences between it and the real ECSD clone.
I have the SFV OGK, ECSD, KKSC, Pre 98 Bubba, Katsu Bubba and Cherry AK (among otheres, but these are relevant to this topic). I have grown Kali Kush Seeds Oger's Kush, Rez's SD IBL, AK 47, SSH catpiss pheno. Smoked the DP S Cough, and it was not close to the clone.
So based on my experiences, I have to remain skeptical.
I should add, this is not to say you can't find a great pheno. In fact, genetically it is possible (however rare) to find a pheno that exceeds the mother in all areas. Simply because of recessive traits that can express in successive generations, and the variance in genetic make up (genetically F2).
Cheers.
