Beware

[zipflip]

realize we have 40 acres of land here.not a small place.

why go to all this trouble for a smalltime grower.but my past is kinda checkered..

maybe with the two factors in tow there and orderin seeds...? probably thru up a flag wit the likes that maybe u were doing somethin larger than for personal use maybe and grabbed their attention... ?

 

[ArtVandolay]

Veeeeerrrry interesting. At this point, I think I've decided to grow enough for 5-6 months personal use, stop growing while I rebuild my box (there are many things I want to do differently after my first grow) and order the seeds during that time. Nothing to see in case I get a visit, but

I just wonder how much of Andy's legal problem is related solely to the seeds?

I suspect that they've taken the approach of intercepting payments to Doc (like Andy's) because it's much more difficult/impossible to intercept the seeds because of the Doc's stealth shipping methods.

Dam, I wanted some seeds! Thanks again, Andy, I really appreciate you sharing your experience.

 

[time4tokin20s]

to begin with my gf spotted the suv parked in the trees.it was only visible from her bathroom window.there is a pole barn blocking the view from the other end of the house.i would never have seen them.i went out the back end door and went thru the pole barn and circled thru the pole barn,thru our garden and then thru some trees to come up behind them.realize we have 40 acres of land here.not a small place.my attorney says i should not say too much about this event.would probably crap if he knew i was putting this online.not all the details tho,lol
i just thinkits a fluke somehow.why go to all this trouble for a smalltime grower.but my past is kinda checkered.believe if you wish,if not,who gives a crap.just trying to deter some others that might be concerned,a fair warning.just be super careful.

Hey Andy,How close do think a Customs office is to you?Do you think they're picking on you because you're close?Or did they come out of their way to get you?

 

[Puffin Afatty]

It seems very heavy-handed indeed

:shocked: Intercepting outgoing mail is certainly easier for the US Customs Service, but wow, now it is illegal to address an envelope to the Doc, and the USPS notes the address and opens the mail and finds the order and $$

wow online transactions will be next I guess

 

[BuddyLuv]

Andy probably pissed them off when he put in a claim on that MO.

 

[TheEnhancementSmoker]

Andy, when you say your past is "checkered" do you mean you were busted for cultivation before? I could see if you got busted a couple times, or something like that. Otherwise, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

 

[GrowRebel]

this was for more than ten seeds ... right? ... you don't have to go into details of course, but was it a large order that was intercepted?

 

[papabeach1]

hate to see growers to be called as "criminal" heck we do not give any damages to publics!!

 

[BuddyLuv]

I believe it was for hundreds of dollars

 

[Growdude]

I believe it was for hundreds of dollars

Like 400 some from the other post

 

[Puffin Afatty]

hate to see growers to be called as "criminal" heck we do not give any damages to publics!!

If you can believe anything you read in media, I see reports of busts of commercial grows, everyday, where the growers trash state/federal/private land growing their products

:rant: these folks that are growin and sellin are puttin US all on the spot, otherwise WE would all be under the radar :hubba:

collateral damage is to be expected

 

[jao33333]

yeah I do get that all the time...sorry if my grammar is so bad...
the way I talks is the habits of my hands' talking, theres lot of deafness people that has bad grammars as I do.. Im not alone though..

Papabeach1, I personally wouldn't care what people thought of my Grammar. Who are they to judge you for your old school tongue !! Its just the "system" People who think they have fundamentally put together a dictionary of properly spoken word of a time where many people need there hand held who think that the way of Human tongue can be "politically" corrected. No worries, The Hell with Them and there society driven minds. Thanks JJ

 

[jao33333]

Andy52, Much Love and peace your way Man !!!!! Stay safe :O) JJ

 

[JBonez]

Papabeach1, I personally wouldn't care what people thought of my Grammar. Who are they to judge you for your old school tong !! Its just the "system" People who think they have fundamentally put together a dictionary of properly spoken word of a time where many people need there hand held who think that the way of Human tong can be "politically" corrected. No worries F--k Them and there society driven minds. Thanks JJ

Not that I personally care about ones grammar, but correct grammar is by nature a means of conveyance, if i were to use correct grammar when speaking to someone who primarily uses slang, or isnt well versed in proper English, I would have to adjust. However, correct grammar is key when describing things, for example. you can not like someone, but using words like "loath" or "disdain" actually are more effective at describing the "dislike". This goes for many things, so, with that in mind, bad grammar isnt very good for communication. And if using slang is a way to fool leo, proper english will fool them more as they typically dont understand "big words".
JMO, use all the bad grammar you want, i know i could care less.

Judge a man by his integrity, not his skin color, background, or education. Thats how i live my life, i dont car what anyone else thinks.

 

[BuddyLuv]

Like I said I was not knocking him in anyway, and I sympathise for his hearing disability. I just find it hard to respond to his posts and questions. I am sure he is a cool cat and I am in no way always gramatically correct. I just think it would be easier to communicate with him if he used spell check and grammar check while posting.

 

[JBonez]

Like I said I was not knocking him in anyway, and I sympathise for his hearing disability. I just find it hard to respond to his posts and questions. I am sure he is a cool cat and I am in no way always gramatically correct. I just think it would be easier to communicate with him if he used spell check and grammar check while posting.

its the interwebz, who cares if we can spell, that what firefox is for!

 

[NorCalHal]

Obviosly, Andy can't really go into details specific enough for us here on a public forum. As per advice given him by his lawyer, Andy, do what he says man.

For those of you who can't read between the lines, here is my take on Andy's situation, from what he has said so far without being REAL specific.

Andy has alot of property. His order for the seeds exceeded $400, so that tells me it was at least over 50 seeds or so.
The BIG kicker is the fact that Andy eloquintly (did i spell that right?) stated he had a "checkered past". Bingo.
I understand Andy not wanting to go into further details of his "past". That is his business and that should be that. He posted that comment, imho, to give us a "clue" as to why they investigated him.

So, what it looks like to me is, they popped his order from the plain fact of the address it was sent to. We all know now that FEDLEO is onto the Doc.
They did a routain background check on the sender(andy), and his "checkered past" came up. A little more invetagating probably brought up his current address and the amount of land he has and location.
They sent out a "Customs" agent, which is GREAT for Andy. Obviously, they are not as sneaky as the DEA, which they could have turned the case over.
They are looking for an easy bust and he just fit the "profile".

Do I beleive Andy? Yes. Why lie? And the story he told, imho, makes sense if you look at it like a LEO. And folks, if you don't at least try to think like a LEO doing what we are doing, you are asking for trouble.
The timing of the "visit" from customs and when they informed him of his letter being caught makes sense also.

I think folks who don't have a criminal history who gets caught up in whats happening to Doc need not worry. For those who do, clean -up.

Thanks Andy for giving us a heads up.

 

[tom thumb]

You are very lucky , usually they leave someone to watch your house and property while they get the warrant, eliminating any chance of getting rid of any contraband, unless you have a large hooka it's not real easy, I'm sorry to say Andy that if they are watching you like that they already know pretty much everything you do and have been doing and if any of that is contrary to the law "the man's law" the only reason they haven't acted is because they think you can lead them to bigger fish, or else "the man's law" is protecting you still, because they don't have court accepted evidence. I have had some dealings in this area, i could be a senior member if it was a forum on the sneakiness and misdeeds of leo. Fortunately, I live in Canada where things are a little more reasonable when dealing with such things and as a result I still have my freedom. If they've come once and didn't find anything it should be difficult for them to get a second warrant unless "you" give them an in, so be careful and keep smiling life is good, and a little paranoia will keep safe. cheers. Oh yeah, please you guys and your anagrams, i figure most out, but what is Doc, are we talking about dr. genetics seeds

 

[megan23247]

Well Andy im sorry bout your luck buddy and appreciate the bit of information that you have chosen to share. Its obvious your just being a good MP buddy and giving us a heads up and a notice to keep our noses clean.

This thread has me a bit worried about all of us who have had something confiscated BUT im gonna chill and just do what I do now which is not get greedy and dont sell da goods.

 

[bombbudpuffa]

what is Doc

Dr Chronic Seeds