Banjobuzz's Winter Grow

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heres what i've done today to try and fix my problem. i believe GD was right when he said my rootball was too cold. i grow in a rubbermaid cab, and our daytime highs outside in past week have hovered around 30F.
the floor in my cab was quite cold. alls i did to remedy it, was build a wood pallet to place my plants on , to get them off the cold floor. i drilled holes all over in the pallet, to allow heat to also heat from the bottom of my grow bags'. they have been back in the cab for a little over an hour, and they seem like thier snapping back around.:hubba: .
heres a few pics...bb...
 
after 6 hours tonight of putting my plants back in the shed, i've transplanted 4 of them. they were the 4 worst looking ones. at first they 'seemed' to be doing better, and after 6 hours they turned to the worse.:eek: . they were now presenting a problem that i can only diagnose as a phosphate def. the lower leaves were turning black, and very dried up, almost crisp. they also showed signs of nute burn???:confused: , but whats strange is , i have not nuted at all.???:confused: .
the root balls on the transplanted 4 looked to be what i would describe as
compacted, and bound-up. this is the first time i've faced a problem as this. i will transplant the other 4 later on this day, when i go get more soil.
wanna know something real strange? , i scoped the black, crisp leaf, and it had cloudy trichs :confused: . what do you make of that at 3 weeks?
anyway, heres a couple pics. hope you can see the black leaf ok.
pic 1 is transplant in process
pic 2 & 3 is is what i believe a phosphate def.
these black leaves consumed some of the bottom first set of leaves , then tonight, moved up to the second set a bit...bb...
 
Hello Banjo :)

It looks like a Manganese deficiency, the cause is your PH, you say your run off is 7, this is too high and this is what is causing your problems, you need to experiment with the next couple of waterings, you need to lower your PH even more because your soil is altering the PH when watered, try a watering of PH 6, check the run off, the run off will tell you what PH the roots are having to live in, your aim is to have a run off of 6.6-6.8.

:peace:

:)
 
Good luck--i hope the best for you and your plants banjo and am sorry that i don't have any good advice:stoned: :confused2:
 
Manganese? thanks mang. ( HIE ). i'm on it...bb...

hey mebeafarmer, yeah, i know what your saying about the canopy getting a wee bit to warm. i dont usually keep the htr. right in front of the cab. i do regulate it in the room in general. my temps are now, *70 off, and *75 on. thanks bro...bb...
 
seems like i've seen them plants somewhere,hmmmm.lookin good my friend.
 
i just flushed 1 ult ind. , and the run-off was 6.7. sooo.???:confused: ???...
the necrotic leaf i removed last evening, was right crisp. does any one think i should give them a low dose of nutes? Flora Nova is what i have, grow & bloom. think this is what they may need??? come on down here and let me know what ya think...bb...
 
Hey Banjo, it looks like you're dealing with a nute def. or something else, not nute burn, so I would keep giving low doses of the ferts. It would be terrible for the plants to pull out of the funk then have no nutes to use! JMO tho, I be a youngin...
 
heres whats happened over the weekend. i flushed one of my plants, as HIE stated above. this did'nt help. they progressively got worse, and i mean to the point of no return. tonight, i had to make a decision. the 4 that were transplanted 2 days ago (all 3 ww, 1 ultimate indica), came down tonight. i chopped them up, and put them in the MassP. cloner. did'nt even get to sex them. there was no time. if i would not have done this, in two days from now, they woulda been dead. they still may not come out of the funk. still working over 4 ult. ind. , that are still in the cab. :confused: . the diagnosis does not look good.
i am in the process of gathering up the rest of the components to go hydro. have to get some airstones, another pump, and some buckets. everyone keeps saying dwc is the way to grow, and i'm gonna have another go at it.
i put the 400w hps back up on the remaining 4 ult ind. i'll watch them very close over next few days'. if they falter, in the cloner they go too. heres a few pics.:eek: ...
pic 1 is 3 ww fix'in to be chopped, and put in the cloner.:eek: ...
pic 2 is the remaining 4 ult ind. under the 400w.
pic 3 is- 3 ww, 1 ult ind in cloner.
pic 4 is cloner...

you can see the deficiency in all in cloner. it started at the bottom of plants, and moved rapidly to the top...bb...
 
ok. i'm back on track with what i've saved. i've now got 4 ult ind in cab in soil. 1 isn't gonna pull through, and it will come down in next day or two, and go in the cloner. 3 pretty descent ones left.
no more indoor soil for me. to unpredictable, and taking up to much of my time. going dwc in a few weeks. i can't wait. i'll post some pics' up later...bb...
 
heres where i'm at.
i went out and got some (round) 5 gallon buckets, an air pump, and some other crap tonight. told y'all i put up a few pics'.:) ...bb...
 
went to a few places last night and got these items for my dwc set up.:D
found this air pump at wally world, and the stones also. got 6 dark green
buckets with lids at menards. could'nt find any square buckets'. i'll keep looking though. i'm good to go.:hubba: . just need to wait for some rootage on my clones...bb...
 
I had a mg issue with my plants, I did a flush but I also mixed up some
epsom salt (tablespoon) into a gallon jug mixed up good poured some into a spray bottle and sprayed the leaves of plants.

I had a complete recovery.

good luck with your hydo project, check out hydro world over on Barnes street, he will give you good prices.

you will find the right size tubing and drips at Menards or Superior growers in East Lansing.

I found a good rubbermaid tub to use at Target, comes in dark colors green or purple.

I use the 5 inch net pots in my tubs, I can fit 3 into my tub comfortably.

I also use a water pump with drip system, I add the stones when I move them to 12/12 and the roots are massive.

I have made about 6 of these tubs now and each time I tweak them to make them better than the one before. I am very pleased with the results.
when I discover a male I just pull out the net pot get out as much root as I can then cover the empty hole with a net pot filled with hydrotron.
I don't usually put a new plant in it's place because the 2 remaining plants are into 12/12 by then. I have not been able to determine sex of my plants until they go into flower. I'm hoping I can learn to pick out those males sooner some day.

sorry to have blabbed on for so long, I just want you to have a super great grow!
 
these are some pretty clones you have banjo gl keep up the good work
 
annscrib said:
these are some pretty clones you have banjo gl keep up the good work

these clones are ww that i had in soil ann, and had a problem with that i did'nt see getting through. so i chopped them, and put them in the cloner.
i'm gonna try these in my hydro set up first, if they act right. been in there 3 days now...bb..
 
i'm going on 12/12 starting tonight. in 5 , it's lights out for the first night of darkness...bb...:)
 

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