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[Locked]

And yeah I'm on the east cost, we can have a pretty heavy winter

Reading this brought back bad memories of last winter and that horrible snow storm....and to think we get to do it all again in a few months. Oh joy. I need to retire and get out of Jersey....Arizona here I come.

 

[Classic]

Hey Classic- The lawn is the only thing I haven't gotten in to full organics yet. What do you use? Have you ever tried Milorganite? Been thinking about that for next year. Any other tips you can share for established lawns?

Don't mean to hijack your thread Rose.

Since Rose gave the Ok...

I use a lot of cotton seed meal, soy bean meal, and the steroid known as corn gluten meal. I occasionally use Milorganite and alfalfa pellets. I've always used the "by guess and by golly" method to decide what to do. Throw out 20 to 25 lbs per 1000 sq ft every month or six weeks and it works well. That's the beauty of organics, it's hard to go wrong.

I have a Tif419 bermuda lawn and keep it mowed like a golf course. It's always gorgeous and gets compliments from anyone who visits.

I highly recommend that you try organic lawn care. I was skeptical at first but decided that I had nothing to lose. If something goes wrong, you only have to throw a little Scott's on it and water and you're back to where you started. Actually, I don't think anything can go wrong. I converted to organics and never looked back.

 

[Ruffy]

Reading this brought back bad memories of last winter and that horrible snow storm....and to think we get to do it all again in a few months. Oh joy.

come to canada bud lmfao
thats a 8 ft high shed,

 

[burner]

Think he's got us beat Hammy lol ...all I'm thankful for is my uncle giving me his 1988 BEAST Toro snow blower that owned the snow. Can't wait to break that bad boy out this year

 

[Locked]

Think he's got us beat Hammy lol ...all I'm thankful for is my uncle giving me his 1988 BEAST Toro snow blower that owned the snow. Can't wait to break that bad boy out this year

Did Summer leave your kneck of the woods today? I actually had to turn on the heater in my work truck come 5 pm or so...was sorry I wore shorts and a short sleeved shirt by the time 8 pm rolled around. I think they said low 40's tonight were I am at. Good for the grow room though....my flower tent is reading 68 degrees and the lights has been on for 4 hours now.. No more heat worries is a great thing though.

 

[Locked]

come to canada bud lmfao

Oh no my friend I hve been to Mount Tremblant in Febuary and I know you guys got us beat hands down....sheet one morning we went out to the truck to go hit the slopes and the temp was -28 degrees :holysheep:

 

[Ruffy]

:holysheep: a skiing hamster! im out west i love skiing:woohoo: :headbang2:

 

[Locked]

:holysheep: a skiing hamster! im out west i love skiing:woohoo: :headbang2:

No skiing....snow boarding ...and we do a lil snowmobiling. I love it up there. Hop on the snowmobile drive to go get something to eat...hit the liquor store...you don't even need a car to get around.

 

[BBFan]

Since Rose gave the Ok...

I use a lot of cotton seed meal, soy bean meal, and the steroid known as corn gluten meal. I occasionally use Milorganite and alfalfa pellets. I've always used the "by guess and by golly" method to decide what to do. Throw out 20 to 25 lbs per 1000 sq ft every month or six weeks and it works well. That's the beauty of organics, it's hard to go wrong.

I have a Tif419 bermuda lawn and keep it mowed like a golf course. It's always gorgeous and gets compliments from anyone who visits.

I highly recommend that you try organic lawn care. I was skeptical at first but decided that I had nothing to lose. If something goes wrong, you only have to throw a little Scott's on it and water and you're back to where you started. Actually, I don't think anything can go wrong. I converted to organics and never looked back.

Thanks Classic- I'm definitely going for it next year. You can get those meals in a spreadable form? I'll have to keep my eyes open for that. I'm in the middle of the woods and I'm always battling weeds- this year was especially bad for crab grass due to the screwy weather season we had. Thanks!

Rose- how's your young lady doing today? Any sign of improvement?

 

[Classic]

Thanks Classic- I'm definitely going for it next year. You can get those meals in a spreadable form? I'll have to keep my eyes open for that. I'm in the middle of the woods and I'm always battling weeds- this year was especially bad for crab grass due to the screwy weather season we had. Thanks!

I buy cattle feed at the feed store. Cotton seed meal and soy bean meal work Ok in a spreader. So does corn gluten meal but it's kind of messy. I usually buy that in a pelletized version so I don't have yellow dust everywhere.

My preferred method is to put it in a 5 gal bucket and spread it like feeding chickens. You don't have to be real precise with the application. It's not like chemical ferts where you can get striping.

 

[Rosebud]

They still look a mess, but i think i see a little more green, less bright yellow, and like I said the leaves aren't so limp.
Thanks BBfan. and all ya all.

Hamster, get your long pants on your furry little legs.

 

[dman1234]

Oh no my friend I hve been to Mount Tremblant in Febuary and I know you guys got us beat hands down....sheet one morning we went out to the truck to go hit the slopes and the temp was -28 degrees :holysheep:

The lovely French Canadian Quebec women make it alot easier to take though. :hubba:

 

[Rosebud]

We were married in anchorage and it was 40 below that day.

Once we both had the flu for a week. When we looked outside we couldn't see our car. Seriously.. Pretty state, glad i live where the winters are milder now.

 

[dman1234]

They still look a mess, but i think i see a little more green, less bright yellow, and like I said the leaves aren't so limp.
Thanks BBfan. and all ya all.

Hamster, get your long pants on your furry little legs.

Hang in there Rose, it will take time, you will probably lose the really yellow leaves but just keep an eye that your not getting new yellowing.

 

[dman1234]

HL, isnt it funny you come up to ski Mont Tremblant, and i cross down to ski Smugglers Notch Vermont.

 

[Hushpuppy]

Man you guys are killing me with the snow skiing. I love snow skiing and haven't been able to go since I wacked my back in Oct 02. I have a brand new pair of K2s that I bought in 01 and skiied on them twice before whacking my back. I just about cry sometimes when I see'em in the closet just collecting dust. I hope to be able to go again maybe this year even if I have to stay on the bunny slope

 

[soil]

Wonderful information Soil, thank you. I don't think I agree with using mg anything, i feel it would kill my living organisms, am I wrong on that?

Yes thats incorrect , like wet said it would take a lot more then one or two feedings to kill off your microbes. (imo the most important part of growing, so i would never suggest anything that would kill off the life of your soil)
Your plant is gonna eat the food way before it has a chance to hurt your soil.

When I clean out my pots after harvest I am always surprised by the soil that remains throughout the root structure. It would be really hard for me to handle anything bigger then a 5 gall smart pot, but maybe i do need more root space?

No , you don't need anymore root space then 5 gallons. As long as your feeding correctly then pot size does not matter. I have seen party cups "outdo" my 3 gallon pots.
I personally do better with organics in 3 gallon then in 5 gallon or bigger. (thats just a personal thing though)

I really did lose a lot of fan leaves, not completely defoliated but over 50% of fans I bet.

thats gonna have a huge affect on the yield , but at least you didnt lose them all.
A lot of folks do not realize the importance of a "fan leaf". :icon_smile:
Yes that plant is putting most of its focus on the fruit , but it's the fan leaves that make the fruit. Of course there are many, many factors in "making the fruit" , but the fan leaves are a very important part of that cycle. A leaf processes more light then the fruit itself does.

So, in my opinion our job is to keep the foliage as green and healthy as possible all the way to the end. That rule will always yield the best and produce the better buds.

Nitrogen is pretty much available at any ph between 4.0 and 9.0. Regardless of the effect of microbial activity and ph balance, it really shouldn't be a concern in this particular situation.

You have a lot of very good info BB ! we all appreciate it!

I agree the ph shouldnt be a factor in your situation , but the microbial activity is everything in a fully organic environment. The plant cant eat the food if the microbes dont eat it first.

Must ask, wouldn't adding any chem at this point kill all the beneficial microbes? The sticky on this says it will. Any instant food as you've described would have to be chem based...right?

Yes when i refer to instant food , i am referring to chemicals.

The microbes poop out the same "chemicals" thats in instant foods, so that would make one think there is no difference between "organic" an "chemical".
I dont personally know all the science behind that mess , but i do know there is a huge difference in the two.

Rose , a lot of liquid "organic" foods have a lil bit of available N in them and thats what your girl needs. So with all this good info from different folks , you know whats wrong with her, she is just hungry , so whether its a low dose of "available" food in liquid organics or a higher dose of food through chems, thats the only way to fix her quick.

I believe every true organicist needs instant foods and chemical pesticides layin around for the "just in case" of things.



soil :farm:

 

[The Hemp Goddess]

Reading this brought back bad memories of last winter and that horrible snow storm....and to think we get to do it all again in a few months. Oh joy. I need to retire and get out of Jersey....Arizona here I come.

The older I get, the better Arizona looks. I have snow like Ruffy's pics and temps like your Mount Tremblant.

 

[Rosebud]

Thank you again Soil. I am solid organic and have been for years. I don't have any chemicals hanging around for emergency's. I have not needed them. She is turning around slowly and we will see about the outcome of all this.
I am thrilled you are here and that you love the soil micorbes as much as i do. Just can't be mostly organic. I didn't know I was an all or nothing kind of girl. But I am in this case and in my yard too. I did it the other way for years...this is better for me.

 

[soil]

yea i have seen first hand , all the benefits of beneficial's in the soil. i love microbes an dirt.
i have a worm farm , compost bins and i always reuse soil. i breed aerobic microbes in teas and anaerobic microbes in EM. I LOVE ORGANICS !

If you have castings layin around then a sprinkle of mycorrizae covered with worm castings as a top dressing is a fairly quick way to get more food in there. its very amazing to watch the roots crawl through the top of your pot eatin up all the good stuff.




soil :icon_smile: