What is the purpose of large "fan" leaves?

[WeedHopper]

Pruning some fan leaves isn't going to do anything but give your plant some fresh air and more light where it needs to be. You should see what I do a couple weeks before harvesting.

 

[Jgutta420]

Dead? Hmmm. I prune enough so the plant can get both light and air. I have never killed a plant because of pruning.

Yea I think he defoliated quite a bit. My main issue is I already trimmed a lot of fan leaves when I first flipped the switch. I honesty don’t have many left. I’m just gonna ride the wave and see what develops. I don’t want to cause any stress whatsoever.

 

[oldfogey8]

I know this is a older thread but…I’m facing this issue now. I’m about 3 weeks in and it’s pretty thick, I feel like I need a machete lol…ok, jokes aside I want to prune so bad but I’m terrified it’s going to herm. I’m not overly concerned with mold…temp is between 60-75 and humidity between 40-50%. I did some lst in the beginning of flower so I have a pretty even canopy. Any advice? How long into flower should you just sit back and enjoy the ride? I just don’t want anything taking energy from the buds, I want that thing laser focused on one thing and one thing only. I don’t need it trying to repair itself thinking it’s been attacked by an animal and go into survival mode (seeds). A buddy told me he did a lot of pruning and came home from work later that night and his plant was dead.

The best way to get help and guidance on this forum is to start your own thread and state your problem, your setup and what you have tried. There are a lot of videos that will show you how to prune. The videos run the gamut from very little pruning to wholesale butchering. Try something in between. Did you buddy prune a seedling with only a set or two of leaves maybe? These plants are generally pretty hardy.

 

[Jgutta420]

The best way to get help and guidance on this forum is to start your own thread and state your problem, your setup and what you have tried. There are a lot of videos that will show you how to prune. The videos run the gamut from very little pruning to wholesale butchering. Try something in between. Did you buddy prune a seedling with only a set or two of leaves maybe? These plants are generally pretty hardy.

Oh no, I wasn’t needing any help. Just chiming in with what I’ve experienced. I’ve already made the decision to let it ride. And he trimmed a bunch when it was half way through flower. Is it possible there was some other issue that coincided with the trimming of leaves? Possibly.

 

[joeb631a]

Hello girls and boys!

Reading the forum, I realized that a lot of people cut leaves here, so I decided to copy something from the Croatian forum and share it with you, so whoever is interested should read it.


What is the purpose of large "fan" leaves?

Large "fan" leaves have a specific role in the growth and development of Cannabis. They serve as "photosynthetic factories" for production
sugar and other substances necessary for growth. Most Cannabis plants begin to lose their large "fan" leaves when they enter the flowering phase
this continues until the harvest, i.e. the death of the plant.

"Fan" leaves comprise the largest surface area for photon reception on the plant, therefore they do most of the photosynthesis that takes place in the plant. The cells in the plant's leaves, called chloroplasts, contain a green pigment called chlorophyll, which, with the help of the sun, separates the water in the plant into its basic elements. 15% of the solar energy that falls on the leaf is absorbed, while the other 85% passes through the leaf that reflects green light, which makes it seem as if not much light reaches under the leaf, because human eyes are most sensitive to the green spectrum.

Photosynthesis takes place in all green parts of the plant. The process consists of two phases, the light primary reaction and the secondary reaction (Calvin cycle), which convert water and carbon dioxide into sugars and oxygen. These sugars are later used as energy for all processes in the plant, including the synthesis of THC and other cannabinoids.

"Fan" leaves contain the largest number of stomata, these are tiny "holes" on the underside of the leaf through which the plant receives carbon dioxide and oxygen, which are used for photosynthesis and respiration and transpiration. Carbon dioxide first enters the leaf through the stomata and combines with the energy stored in the chloroplast through a chemical reaction (Calvin cycle).
thus forming a simple sugar. This sugar is then transferred to the tissue and transported via channels/"tubes" in the leaves to other parts of the plant that need this food for work, growth and development. (young leaves, roots, flowers...)

Removing the "fan" leaves will not only slow down growth, but will also interfere with the plant's ability to get rid of toxic substances, and also interfere with the plant's temperature regulation that takes place through the stomata. The changes in the plant's chemical metabolism caused by the removal of "fan" leaves forces the plant to do extra work to get rid of the "toxin" with less leaf mass, resulting in the plant being able to allocate growth hormone to producing new leaves to replace what is lost. There is a connection between the amount of carbohydrates produced by the leaf and CO2 intake in relation to external influences. In a situation where a leaf is no longer productive for the plant, for any reason (poor light, age, disease, insects, etc.), the plant will reject that leaf.

Plants and leaves are dotted with veins that serve to transport nutrients and products of photosynthesis throughout the plant. In the vein there are channels called xylem and phloem. Xylem is the conductive part of the plant through which water with nutrients travels from the roots through the stem to the leaves and flowers, and phloem is the conductive part of the plant through which the products of photosynthesis (sugars, hormones, proteins, etc.) pass from the leaf to other parts of the plant.

Every part of the plant can be a source or consumer of sugar.
Phloem transports energy from the source (area of production) to the consumer (area of conversion/metabolism or storage). There is no doubt that flowers can produce some photosynthate, but they are not nearly as efficient as "fan" leaves (trichomes greatly reduce the absorption of light into the tissue they are on). So flowers are consumers and leaves are energy producers.

The leaves on the upper part of the plant tend to supply food for the growth and development of (new) tops.
The leaves on the lower part of the plant tend to supply food for the growth and development of the roots.
The central leaves supply the entire plant depending on where the demand for energy is greater.
During flowering and ripening, only the lowest leaves supply the roots, while all the others try to deliver as much energy as possible to the flowers. For this reason, the more leaves that are out of the shade and in direct light, the better chance the plant has for creating additional energy reserves that will ultimately contribute to a better harvest.



When and how to prune and if at all.

Remove unproductive wilted leaves.
Aging leaves that have reached their maximum size will stop producing chlorophyll and begin to fade, in most cases turning yellow and the petiole turning purple. Then the leaf's ability to produce sugar declines, and those leaves are the ones that should be removed first to let light pass to new leaves that produce energy in greater quantity.
Older leaves, although larger in surface area, are no longer as productive when they begin to lose their green color, i.e. chlorophyll.
In outdoor cultivation, the leaves have an additional, very important purpose of protecting the plant from inconveniences and pests.
So it's mostly the leaves that are the first to be damaged, after which they die and fall off.

What you need to pay attention to are the reasons for the premature discoloration and death of the leaves, and try to correct any mistakes that led to this condition, since this negatively affects growth and development to a much greater extent than a couple of "extra" leaves would ever affect.

In the last 14 days, you can remove the leaves to speed up or avoid washing before harvesting.
Which, in my opinion, is nonsense because any possible gain in drying and curing speed does not justify the stress and slow development that the plant will experience in that case in its final and perhaps most important phase.


How to circumcise if you decide to.

In this case, you trim the leaves by cutting them in the middle of the petiole, either with scissors or a squeeze
between the fingers, i.e. with the nails. Thus allowing the rest of the stem to dry out and fall off on its own.
This will help protect the plant from infection. The leaves should not be torn off completely with the base of the petiole
because this way the stem is more exposed to possible infections.

This is very good ( dobro) but you cant read it when you just wake up.
best read with at least 2 cups of coffee or 1 cups of Bigs coffee.( his coffee looks like it could grow hair) (if you are lucky maybe 5 Subies cookies) Great article thank you

 

[oldfogey8]

Oh no, I wasn’t needing any help. Just chiming in with what I’ve experienced. I’ve already made the decision to let it ride. And he trimmed a bunch when it was half way through flower. Is it possible there was some other issue that coincided with the trimming of leaves? Possibly.

Any advice? How long into flower should you just sit back and enjoy the ride?

Sorry. I interpreted asking for advice as asking for help. I know, right? I must be dumb. I rescind my help and hope I didn’t offend you.

 

[joeb631a]

The best way to get help and guidance on this forum is to start your own thread and state your problem, your setup and what you have tried. There are a lot of videos that will show you how to prune. The videos run the gamut from very little pruning to wholesale butchering. Try something in between. Did you buddy prune a seedling with only a set or two of leaves maybe? These plants are generally pretty hardy.

you're not just a pretty face.
I am in less than a year to this forum.
I have experience but that was with chem ferts.
curious how many are going to organics.
curious if you noticed a difference.
I grew out Acapulco gold from barneys
I was only in organics and was very happy with the taste and buzz.
When I smoked it, I did great in Jeopardy and so-so in wheel of fortune.

 

[SubmarineGirl]

Not to be giving any advice here either but I’ve learned to keep those beautiful fan leaves to a minimum if they are blocking any budsites or taking up room under them. Big says you can take 30% off without hurting your plant and I’m sure I’ve come close to that every grow. Defoliating does not effect my plants in a bad way. Only allows it to grow more where I want it to.

 

[joeb631a]

Not to be giving any advice here either but I’ve learned to keep those beautiful fan leaves to a minimum if they are blocking any budsites or taking up room under them. Big says you can take 30% off without hurting your plant and I’m sure I’ve come close to that every grow. Defoliating does not effect my plants in a bad way. Only allows it to grow more where I want it to.

we are lucky to be in times like these a) with a forum such as this and b) youtube.
I have seen people defoliate the hell out of a plant and because its a series you see the results next week .As much as I was surprised on how much was taken off and how much came back surprised me 2.

 

[Jgutta420]

Sorry. I interpreted asking for advice as asking for help. I know, right? I must be dumb. I rescind my help and hope I didn’t offend you.

Lol that was an oversight…I guess I didn’t mean it literally. Better choice of words next time my friend, I promise

 

[WeedHopper]

Fking stoners

 

[pute]

All the help in the world right here. Can you take a picture and let us see what you are doing.

 

[joeb631a]

Lol that was an oversight…I guess I didn’t mean it literally. Better choice of words next time my friend, I promise

we are all a little slow around here especiallin the morning .( some are slower than others ..)

Fking stoners

MOI ?

 

[WeedHopper]

All the help in the world right here. Can you take a picture and let us see what you are doing.

No,,he doesnt want your help. He was just chiming in..

 

[oldfogey8]

Lol that was an oversight…I guess I didn’t mean it literally. Better choice of words next time my friend, I promise

No biggie. I am still learning the new definitions of words I thought I had always known the definition of. The biggest hurdle for me will be sex as it pertains to cannabis plants. I no longer can assume a plant I would identify as male is actually a male until I ask the plant what it’s pronouns are. I look forward to the day when I find a male plant that I can perform gender-affirming surgery on and enjoy a bountiful harvest of good buds off of they/them/it…

 

[oldfogey8]

you're not just a pretty face.
I am in less than a year to this forum.
I have experience but that was with chem ferts.
curious how many are going to organics.
curious if you noticed a difference.
I grew out Acapulco gold from barneys
I was only in organics and was very happy with the taste and buzz.
When I smoked it, I did great in Jeopardy and so-so in wheel of fortune.

I have grown organically for the most part. I tried GH chemical nutes but had pH problems because I never check pH(go figure, huh?). Never had to with organic soils and nutes. I am lazy and like to keep it simple for me. I probably don’t get the yield or upper-crust quality but I get pretty good yields and people like the quality of my weed(or maybe they like that it is free to them). I stopped watching Jeopardy when they lost Trebek and had guest hosts that thought I cared about their views. I like Sajak and Ms White though. Kind of a Beast and a Beauty…

 

[pute]

No biggie. I am still learning the new definitions of words I thought I had always known the definition of. The biggest hurdle for me will be sex as it pertains to cannabis plants. I no longer can assume a plant I would identify as male is actually a male until I ask the plant what it’s pronouns are. I look forward to the day when I find a male plant that I can perform gender-affirming surgery on and enjoy a bountiful harvest of good buds off of they/them/it…

Maybe you should take a male who identifies as a female and put it in your flower tent. That would be like putting a man who identifies as a woman in a all woman's prison.

 

[SubmarineGirl]

Maybe you should take a male who identifies as a female and put it in your flower tent. That would be like putting a man who identifies as a woman in a all woman's prison.

May become a hermie prison…

 

[pute]

You mean like this....

 

[WeedHopper]

That is a dude for sure.