US House To Consider Decriminalization!!!!!!

[Dubbaman]

I understand the quality vs. quantity, I agree that quality should outweigh quantity

ever notice the class A stamp on smokes from what grade of tobacco its made from, the roll your own brands and some pipe tobaccos are graded B and C, MJ can also be "graded" this way by potency. The only true problem in that would be with all the hybrid splicing that is the current trend is evolving in to super strains you dont really see the tobacco companys out there making superbacco from mixing the virgina and maine plants and making a new jersey :rofl: im sure you get the idea though.

What a great debate, and thanks to everyone for playing nicely.

im still waiting for that spot to heal fromt he last time i got bit in the pa-toot for turnign jerky

 

[NorCalHal]

As for CALI, it's NOT legal in cali. It's only legal in that state, but the FEDS can and HAVE over ruled them before. Most of the medi-banks in Cali were taken down by the DEA recently. The state laws do NOT override federal law. The federal law is superior, and just because one state has bent the rules doesn't make it legal. Not to mention, you also have to have a medical reason and a license even to purchase in california, not just some bum off the street can go buy it.

You can't compare amsterdam to the US, totally different governmental setup to begin with. Hell, paying for sex is legal there, but not in the US...

Let's tackle the "paying for sex first"...I guess you have never been to Nevada.

Let's move on to Cali.
The feds did not shut down all the clubs my friend. Not even close. The raids in LA were a farce. Do you know why a few got busted in LA? Because the Feds get chased out of the Bay Area by Local Goverment.
Trust me, the movement is stronger here then ANYWHERE. As far as having a medical reason to get a recommendation, ANY person over 18 and has $150 can get a recommendation.

But I understand you are talking about Federal laws also. I just had to clear up your misunderstanding about what is going on out here.
The clubs already pay state and local tax on every item sold in a club. This has started about 2 years ago. Are the feds getting any? No.


One KEY thing that md.apothecary stated was so true. "Without advertising, good luck." This is a KEY to winning any govermental fight.
And until all the Actors who smoke daily get off thier *** and step-up and throw down a little cash to help out, this will still be an uphill batlle. Now, I am not just picking on actors, but there is ALOT of money in the hands of folks who smoke. It will take some great work by folks to get the kinds of monies needed to really win this fight. NORML (whom I have been a member since 2000) has been tryin for YEARS.

As sad as I am to say it, I am in the same boat as MD. Though I beleive in the cause and support it, I don't think these bills will pass. MAYBE the MMJ bill backing off the feds in states that have MMJ. I know Cali is fighting them tooth and nail. When big cases go before a jury here, they walk. That is the beauty of "jury of my peers" The majority of folks here could care less about MJ, and the people refuse to convict folks for it.
Man I love this state!


But we are the minority. And, if you are posting any opionons in this thread, YOU BETTER DAMN WELL BE REGISTARED TO VOTE OR YOUR THOUGHTS MEAN CRAP.

 

[md.apothecary]

Let's tackle the "paying for sex first"...I guess you have never been to Nevada.

Let's move on to Cali.
The feds did not shut down all the clubs my friend. Not even close. The raids in LA were a farce. Do you know why a few got busted in LA? Because the Feds get chased out of the Bay Area by Local Goverment.
Trust me, the movement is stronger here then ANYWHERE. As far as having a medical reason to get a recommendation, ANY person over 18 and has $150 can get a recommendation.

But I understand you are talking about Federal laws also. I just had to clear up your misunderstanding about what is going on out here.
The clubs already pay state and local tax on every item sold in a club. This has started about 2 years ago. Are the feds getting any? No.

Ahh... fresh meat... Let's take the spin out...

First, let me make sure everyone knows that there is no FEDERAL law against prostitution...except within military facilities, naval establishments and bases.

NEVADA - Sure it's LEGAL, outside of city limits due to city ordinance, however, state regulation requires that the city/town must have less than 400,000 population before the sex for money is legal. The state gets PAID from licensed brothels and cat houses. It is illegal to solicit within city limits, it is illegal to solicit on the streets, and really, it's illegal to advertise and solicit it in anyway, shape or form.

SEX - Continued.... Rhode Island is almost the same as Nevada, it's legal to have sex for money as long as street solicitation is not presented and a brothel is not created as an establishment.

SEX in netherlands... it is protected by law, as it is a form of profession, and those who engage in such are required by law to pay income taxes, their social security type deductions, etc.

Cali clear up - The feds can't be chased out of anywhere that is under US control, this includes California. Sorry... I never said they shut down ALL the dipensaries. But just because you're over 18 and PAY to get a recommendation doesn't make it legitmate. Legitmacy = having a problem like, cancer, MS, or other debilitating illness that REQUIRES you to need a prescription. The illegal activity of purchasing licenses is one of the problems the government has with this beta version of "legalized" marijuana.

As for the feds not getting their cut?? How about them seizing those "TAXES" you so claimed....

CA NORML: DEA Robs California of Millions in Tax Revenues - Seizes Tax Payments from State Board of Equalization

hxxp://hightimes.com/news/ht_admin/3859

 

[Cole]

Also, prositutes are required to get a STD test every 14 days in Neveda.

 

[NorCalHal]

Ahh... fresh meat... Let's take the spin out...

First, let me make sure everyone knows that there is no FEDERAL law against prostitution...except within military facilities, naval establishments and bases.

NEVADA - Sure it's LEGAL, outside of city limits due to city ordinance, however, state regulation requires that the city/town must have less than 400,000 population before the sex for money is legal. The state gets PAID from licensed brothels and cat houses. It is illegal to solicit within city limits, it is illegal to solicit on the streets, and really, it's illegal to advertise and solicit it in anyway, shape or form.

SEX - Continued.... Rhode Island is almost the same as Nevada, it's legal to have sex for money as long as street solicitation is not presented and a brothel is not created as an establishment.

SEX in netherlands... it is protected by law, as it is a form of profession, and those who engage in such are required by law to pay income taxes, their social security type deductions, etc.

Cali clear up - The feds can't be chased out of anywhere that is under US control, this includes California. Sorry... I never said they shut down ALL the dipensaries. But just because you're over 18 and PAY to get a recommendation doesn't make it legitmate. Legitmacy = having a problem like, cancer, MS, or other debilitating illness that REQUIRES you to need a prescription. The illegal activity of purchasing licenses is one of the problems the government has with this beta version of "legalized" marijuana.

As for the feds not getting their cut?? How about them seizing those "TAXES" you so claimed....

CA NORML: DEA Robs California of Millions in Tax Revenues - Seizes Tax Payments from State Board of Equalization

hxxp://hightimes.com/news/ht_admin/3859

Great reading. Never knew R.I. was similar to Nevada and no Federal prostitution law exists. Still, it is legal in two states.

On to taxes. They seized $450,000 in taxes going to the State. There is a week worth of taxes. Thats it.
Of course they Feds can't be "chased" out. But there are numerous cases pending over Clubs,Growers and operation of clinics right now. Until they get cleared up, there has been littlerally no DEA intervention in the Bay for a while now. Not to see they aint watching, because I know they are.
The city of Oakland has made quite a few of the folks involved in some of the operations "City Employees" to help shield folks from the feds. A HUGE statement. SF has done the same. Both places have filed against the Feds to keep them away. So, it is a step in the right direction.

On the flip side, my town for instance, If the Local Law Enforcement wants to shut down clubs, they invite the feds. All the clubs in my local area has been shut down and Local ordinances passed to prevent further openings.

As far as legitimacy of the MMJ patients go, if you only want to count seriously ill folks, you are looking at about 5% of folks who have thier recommendations. There is no illegal activity involved in obtaining a recommendation. There are plenty of MD's who will recommend. You won't get far with a fake card. It's too damn easy to get a real one. But state police agencies recognize it no matter what, and you are given a free pass.

Great info. Keep it coming.

 

[seank]

So I went to the NORML site to send the pre-written letter, and it says I'm outside the constituency, what's up with that?!:shocked:

 

[md.apothecary]

I think it means that the location you gave is not within the representation of an elected official. That group is "outside the constituency"... these people also sometimes have a hard time voting on certain ballots.

 

[massproducer]

I am a Canadian Medi grower, I have been diagonsed with Chronic Pain Syndrome as well as Fibromyalgia.

The other day I was talking to an American from Cali and we were comparing the process to get approved in Canada and in the States. I was truly astonished when he told me that all he had to do was pay a doctor like $150, then pay like $25 for the card. He said that he had his whole license in under 2 hours... 2 Hours

While me on the other hand, I have been fighting for my right for like a year and a half. He said that doctors were coaching him on what to say, and that he could get a medi card for backaches and headaches.

In Canada it is the exact opposite, Doctors were told not to sign papers, and you have to have atleast 2 signatures with one being from a specialist in the area of your illness. I went to see about 6 different specialist before my neurosurgen convinced my GP( family doctor) to sign the papers as this was the ONLY option for my pain, as opiates don't work for chronic pain, and I HATE pills anyways.

Even after having all of my paper work completed it still takes 6-8 weeks after Health Canada recieves you application for you to actually be approved and get your card. And everyone thinks that marijuana is easy to legally get here in Canada, LMAO

 

[md.apothecary]

Oh, you KNOW they're going to bounce you around from dr. to dr. to get their money's worth. I know in some parts of canada you don't pay to see a doctor, but in the US even with insurance, you may still have to pay a copay, and those add WAY up from referrals and such, so the system is definitely designed for money, whether or not MJ is involved.

 

[massproducer]

Yeah that is the one thing that I will always love about canada, We basically pay nothing out of pocket per say for health care, everything essential and some unessential things are covered by our MSI, which is basically National health health insurance, that is free for all Canadians, well everyone pays for it through taxes, but there are no copays or deductibles.

So I did not have to pay a thing for any of my appointments. I did have to pay $20 for my doctor to fill out the doctors part of the application but it is only fair being that it was a massive application.

 

[thc is good for me]

I am a Canadian Medi grower, I have been diagonsed with Chronic Pain Syndrome as well as Fibromyalgia.

The other day I was talking to an American from Cali and we were comparing the process to get approved in Canada and in the States. I was truly astonished when he told me that all he had to do was pay a doctor like $150, then pay like $25 for the card. He said that he had his whole license in under 2 hours... 2 Hours

While me on the other hand, I have been fighting for my right for like a year and a half. He said that doctors were coaching him on what to say, and that he could get a medi card for backaches and headaches.

In Canada it is the exact opposite, Doctors were told not to sign papers, and you have to have atleast 2 signatures with one being from a specialist in the area of your illness. I went to see about 6 different specialist before my neurosurgen convinced my GP( family doctor) to sign the papers as this was the ONLY option for my pain, as opiates don't work for chronic pain, and I HATE pills anyways.

Even after having all of my paper work completed it still takes 6-8 weeks after Health Canada recieves you application for you to actually be approved and get your card. And everyone thinks that marijuana is easy to legally get here in Canada, LMAO

Dang i never knew it was so hard to get your card in canada. It only took me 1 week

 

[massproducer]

The difference is that here in Canada we have a National program, so once you are approved noone can say a thing, not the province or the Feds