Trying to figure some things out

[Bighouse1997]

Ok I have 3 successful indoor grows. It has been a few years since my last grow due to probation. I plan to grow my own again and have a medical card. My deal is I was trying the last time to do organic liquid nuets floral trio and naturals amendments from build a soil. It worked but my question is do the floral trio nuets cancel out the natural amendments. The stuff I grew was way better than anything I bought from a despensary so I know it works but is it hurting full potential yield and potency? I average 4 ounce a plant off every grow I did with most off one plant 5 ounces. I only grow 1 plant at a time so if caught I wld be under felony trouble. Any feed back wld be appreciated thks!!

 

[Daxtell]

Normally, nutrients add up. If you have a great soil, adding extra nutrients can be too much. It gets more complicated in other ways though. Some of the bacteria in the soil will work under one environmental condition (oxygenated), while a different set of bacteria thrive under opposite conditions. ( No oxygen). They amend the soil in different ways and the plants need both. Another complication up is pH. The acid /alkali balance can block some nutrients and allow others through to the plant. Finding the balance is part of the art of growing.

I grow in water so i have to add most nutrition. A pH pen and an E(lecrical) C(onductivity) EC meter or TDS meter gives me a good control of nutrition. EC and TDS measure the same thing, just on a different scale akin to miles per hour vs meters per second.

Nute burn by adding too much fertilizer is common, helped along by some companies making the nutes trying to sell more by adding too much nutes recommended in their directions. Start at half or less, then gradually build up as your plants can tolerate more. when older.

Others who grow in soil may give you better answers.

 

[Bighouse1997]

Thx buddy I understand what your getting at but I was more wondering are the liquid nuets canceling out the the amendments I’m using. I add lava rock for better drainage, coconut powder, aloe Vera powder, potassium silicate, insect frass , and oyster shell flour to happy frog soil before planting seed. I grow in 5 gallon smart pots. I plants seed directly in the 5 gallon and never transplant. I tried 10 gallon on last grow and inside little heavy to move around so going back to 5 gallon. I add molasses and the other amendants periodically thru out the grow plus my own urine and raw organic milk maybe once a month at the 10/1 ratio. Some people suggest that I’m hurting myself by using natural stuff and liquid chemical nuets together just wanted others opinions. The urine if remember right adds nitrogen plus makes soil better at draining. If done correctly I haven’t noticed a strong smell but it will burn tips if urine is super high in nitrogen. I eat fairly health so I guess that wld change from person to person.

 

[Daxtell]

PH could do that.I

In the growing hints area, there's charts showing how nutrients get blocked when the pH is wrong.

Multiple deficiencies are one indication, if they are all on the high or low range of pH.

 

[Lesso]

Thx buddy I understand what your getting at but I was more wondering are the liquid nuets canceling out the the amendments I’m using. I add lava rock for better drainage, coconut powder, aloe Vera powder, potassium silicate, insect frass , and oyster shell flour to happy frog soil before planting seed. I grow in 5 gallon smart pots. I plants seed directly in the 5 gallon and never transplant. I tried 10 gallon on last grow and inside little heavy to move around so going back to 5 gallon. I add molasses and the other amendants periodically thru out the grow plus my own urine and raw organic milk maybe once a month at the 10/1 ratio. Some people suggest that I’m hurting myself by using natural stuff and liquid chemical nuets together just wanted others opinions. The urine if remember right adds nitrogen plus makes soil better at draining. If done correctly I haven’t noticed a strong smell but it will burn tips if urine is super high in nitrogen. I eat fairly health so I guess that wld change from person to person.

This is too much lol

 

[Bighouse1997]

To much stuff added or are you weirded out by my urine deal? Trust me I was weirded out when it was suggested to me but if you dig a lot of ppl been doing it a long time. If I had the time to have a worm bin and a bigger place to compost I wld never use liquid nuets. I guess I should not keep guessing myself cause the product is fire. Just wish I cld get closer to 6-8 ounces a plant. Have you ever had final product after cure feel like velvet I didn’t till I did it myself. Supposedly if cured right will have a velvet lime touch to it at least from how I learned to cure. Also I had a cure go 6 months my longest so far like wine brother the longer it ages the better!!

 

[The Hemp Goddess]

Organic nutrients and chemical nutrients are not compatible. This is not a matter of opinion--this is a matter of science. Chemical nutrients will kill the microbes that are organic growing. And there are tons and tons of better ways to supply nitrogen than urine. I m a plumber and even I find it gross to pee on your plants. Not only is there the smell, but you can also draw pests and disease. Also, why would you use milk? Pretty much, if it is not something you would put into a compost pile, do not use it on your organic grows.

 

[Bighouse1997]

I don’t wanna be a jerk but if you don’t know why I’m using milk then u shouldn’t comment or at least study it before replying. All kinds of people use milk and pee in grows outside of marijuana. In gardens or whatever. I have read tons of enough on milk or using urine. It is once a month application at a 10/1 ratio 10 parts water to 1 part milk or pee. Not directly peeing on anything. Also I never have had a pest or disease problem. Obviously your one minded on how it should be done. I open my mind to all kinds of techniques. If you had info backing up what your speaking then that wld be one thing not just your one minded opinion. I’m sure if you look up and not just the first thread u read you wld see the benefits of why I have done this. Also I have used pee for my habanero’s and they love it as well as my tomatoes. I have gave them to my family and there line damn these are good and no smell or attraction of pests. I want feed back but not from someone that hasn’t researched all styles of growing thks!!

 

[Bighouse1997]

Theres 2 really quick images to show u I’m not crazy

 

[novitius]

Most people use molasses. The Help Goddess is fully knowledgeable. Sorry for the typo, THG, but it's fitting!

 

[Bighouse1997]

I do use molasses and honey. Not saying he doesn’t grow I fine product. I’m just saying I research all grow techniques and apply if it seems like a good idea. We all have our ways. But it seemed to me he was implying these are not good ways to grow and in my opinion are better than chemicals.

 

[Bighouse1997]

Organic nutrients and chemical nutrients are not compatible. This is not a matter of opinion--this is a matter of science. Chemical nutrients will kill the microbes that are organic growing. And there are tons and tons of better ways to supply nitrogen than urine. I m a plumber and even I find it gross to pee on your plants. Not only is there the smell, but you can also draw pests and disease. Also, why would you use milk? Pretty much, if it is not something you would put into a compost pile, do not use it on your organic grows.

Organic nutrients and chemical nutrients are not compatible. This is not a matter of opinion--this is a matter of science. Chemical nutrients will kill the microbes that are organic growing. And there are tons and tons of better ways to supply nitrogen than urine. I m a plumber and even I find it gross to pee on your plants. Not only is there the smell, but you can also draw pests and disease. Also, why would you use milk? Pretty much, if it is not something you would put into a compost pile, do not use it on your organic grows.

You can use milk on a compost it is just not suggested because it can attract animals you might not want around outside.

 

[novitius]

I do use molasses and honey. Not saying he doesn’t grow I fine product. I’m just saying I research all grow techniques and apply if it seems like a good idea. We all have our ways. But it seemed to me he was implying these are not good ways to grow and in my opinion are better than chemicals.

That's a She as the name implies. Bughouse, huh? Fitting name... Read a book or just buy a bagged tlo soil and add water. Distilled water. Not straight from the tap.

 

[Bighouse1997]

That's a She as the name implies. Bughouse, huh? Fitting name... Read a book or just buy a bagged tlo soil and add water. Distilled water. Not straight from the tap.

Did I call her a name or imply she was stupid no.

That's a She as the name implies. Bughouse, huh? Fitting name... Read a book or just buy a bagged tlo soil and add water. Distilled water. Not straight from the tap.

Did I call you or her a name no I asked a question. If you read how she responded which was jerky instead of asking why I do these things I wld have answered differently. I don’t try to make anyone feel bad or stupid about why they do what they do. Also I don’t know many women plumbers so sorry.

 

[novitius]

The Hemp GODDESS is a woman, I'm pretty sure of it. She's a very smart, honest, helpful person. Plumbers tend to work alone, be terse and or crass, blunt and have a disdain for senselessness. If you were to look at her posts, replies to questions already asked in the past, you'd never need to post because she already nailed your question somewhere along the line.
I'm thinking your aim is organic. No chems. No bottles or powdered.Chems destroy bio life, like meth and organ tissue cells, or alcohol and bacteria. In organic growing you want to feed your microherd. That would be the microorganisms and fungi. That why you probably wouldn't use milk, it's got fungicidal properties. In the past, you harvested, did you bust open the pots and look at your roots? You may have seen what looked like a mat of webbing all throughout the soil and thought they were your plants roots. That would be a super highway created by fungi actually called mycelium. It's ever present in the ground beneath us. It's super helpful in moving nutrients around within the medium.
I meant to give references, TLO by the Rev is a good starting point to get an understanding of the concept. When I decided to abandon chems, I got a bag of ocean forest and liquid kelp and compost tea. That's it bro. Grew some great meds indoor. Then I wanted to play and became my own bughouse. There are ratios and requirements that need to be met or else you will see deficiencies and they aren't as easy to correct in soil because it takes longer. Foliar helps but it's a band aid and a booster, not a solution. Lowenfells Teaming series drops serious knowledge in a easy reading manner. His prose is enjoyable. Then there's cannabis specifically to which I would recommend Rosenthall foremost. Surprising how many of these guys have Jewish sounding names in the industry... Like those brothers that own the big dispos in Riverside and beyond.
Do you know what symbiosis is? You have to find the pieces that create that, yeah? That's what you're after.... I may have been short in my answer, but it's still the same, educate yourself, buy some premade soil, subcool has his brand out there and just add water dude.... In the meantime have 1-3 plant to the side you experiment on. Horticulture, what you're delving into, is a science. Treat it as such and you'll probably do much better. Leave your ego at the door as well and you'll benefit from the experience imparted by personalities you don't yet understand.

 

[Bighouse1997]

The Hemp GODDESS is a woman, I'm pretty sure of it. She's a very smart, honest, helpful person. Plumbers tend to work alone, be terse and or crass, blunt and have a disdain for senselessness. If you were to look at her posts, replies to questions already asked in the past, you'd never need to post because she already nailed your question somewhere along the line.
I'm thinking your aim is organic. No chems. No bottles or powdered.Chems destroy bio life, like meth and organ tissue cells, or alcohol and bacteria. In organic growing you want to feed your microherd. That would be the microorganisms and fungi. That why you probably wouldn't use milk, it's got fungicidal properties. In the past, you harvested, did you bust open the pots and look at your roots? You may have seen what looked like a mat of webbing all throughout the soil and thought they were your plants roots. That would be a super highway created by fungi actually called mycelium. It's ever present in the ground beneath us. It's super helpful in moving nutrients around within the medium.
I meant to give references, TLO by the Rev is a good starting point to get an understanding of the concept. When I decided to abandon chems, I got a bag of ocean forest and liquid kelp and compost tea. That's it bro. Grew some great meds indoor. Then I wanted to play and became my own bughouse. There are ratios and requirements that need to be met or else you will see deficiencies and they aren't as easy to correct in soil because it takes longer. Foliar helps but it's a band aid and a booster, not a solution. Lowenfells Teaming series drops serious knowledge in a easy reading manner. His prose is enjoyable. Then there's cannabis specifically to which I would recommend Rosenthall foremost. Surprising how many of these guys have Jewish sounding names in the industry... Like those brothers that own the big dispos in Riverside and beyond.
Do you know what symbiosis is? You have to find the pieces that create that, yeah? That's what you're after.... I may have been short in my answer, but it's still the same, educate yourself, buy some premade soil, subcool has his brand out there and just add water dude.... In the meantime have 1-3 plant to the side you experiment on. Horticulture, what you're delving into, is a science. Treat it as such and you'll probably do much better. Leave your ego at the door as well and you'll benefit from the experience imparted by personalities you don't yet understand.

 

[Bighouse1997]

The Hemp GODDESS is a woman, I'm pretty sure of it. She's a very smart, honest, helpful person. Plumbers tend to work alone, be terse and or crass, blunt and have a disdain for senselessness. If you were to look at her posts, replies to questions already asked in the past, you'd never need to post because she already nailed your question somewhere along the line.
I'm thinking your aim is organic. No chems. No bottles or powdered.Chems destroy bio life, like meth and organ tissue cells, or alcohol and bacteria. In organic growing you want to feed your microherd. That would be the microorganisms and fungi. That why you probably wouldn't use milk, it's got fungicidal properties. In the past, you harvested, did you bust open the pots and look at your roots? You may have seen what looked like a mat of webbing all throughout the soil and thought they were your plants roots. That would be a super highway created by fungi actually called mycelium. It's ever present in the ground beneath us. It's super helpful in moving nutrients around within the medium.
I meant to give references, TLO by the Rev is a good starting point to get an understanding of the concept. When I decided to abandon chems, I got a bag of ocean forest and liquid kelp and compost tea. That's it bro. Grew some great meds indoor. Then I wanted to play and became my own bughouse. There are ratios and requirements that need to be met or else you will see deficiencies and they aren't as easy to correct in soil because it takes longer. Foliar helps but it's a band aid and a booster, not a solution. Lowenfells Teaming series drops serious knowledge in a easy reading manner. His prose is enjoyable. Then there's cannabis specifically to which I would recommend Rosenthall foremost. Surprising how many of these guys have Jewish sounding names in the industry... Like those brothers that own the big dispos in Riverside and beyond.
Do you know what symbiosis is? You have to find the pieces that create that, yeah? That's what you're after.... I may have been short in my answer, but it's still the same, educate yourself, buy some premade soil, subcool has his brand out there and just add water dude.... In the meantime have 1-3 plant to the side you experiment on. Horticulture, what you're delving into, is a science. Treat it as such and you'll probably do much better. Leave your ego at the door as well and you'll benefit from the experience imparted by personalities you don't yet understandThe

 

[Bighouse1997]

The Hemp GODDESS is a woman, I'm pretty sure of it. She's a very smart, honest, helpful person. Plumbers tend to work alone, be terse and or crass, blunt and have a disdain for senselessness. If you were to look at her posts, replies to questions already asked in the past, you'd never need to post because she already nailed your question somewhere along the line.
I'm thinking your aim is organic. No chems. No bottles or powdered.Chems destroy bio life, like meth and organ tissue cells, or alcohol and bacteria. In organic growing you want to feed your microherd. That would be the microorganisms and fungi. That why you probably wouldn't use milk, it's got fungicidal properties. In the past, you harvested, did you bust open the pots and look at your roots? You may have seen what looked like a mat of webbing all throughout the soil and thought they were your plants roots. That would be a super highway created by fungi actually called mycelium. It's ever present in the ground beneath us. It's super helpful in moving nutrients around within the medium.
I meant to give references, TLO by the Rev is a good starting point to get an understanding of the concept. When I decided to abandon chems, I got a bag of ocean forest and liquid kelp and compost tea. That's it bro. Grew some great meds indoor. Then I wanted to play and became my own bughouse. There are ratios and requirements that need to be met or else you will see deficiencies and they aren't as easy to correct in soil because it takes longer. Foliar helps but it's a band aid and a booster, not a solution. Lowenfells Teaming series drops serious knowledge in a easy reading manner. His prose is enjoyable. Then there's cannabis specifically to which I would recommend Rosenthall foremost. Surprising how many of these guys have Jewish sounding names in the industry... Like those brothers that own the big dispos in Riverside and beyond.
Do you know what symbiosis is? You have to find the pieces that create that, yeah? That's what you're after.... I may have been short in my answer, but it's still the same, educate yourself, buy some premade soil, subcool has his brand out there and just add water dude.... In the meantime have 1-3 plant to the side you experiment on. Horticulture, what you're delving into, is a science. Treat it as such and you'll probably do much better. Leave your ego at the door as well and you'll benefit from the experience imparted by personalities you don't yet understand.[/QUOTE

 

[Bighouse1997]

 

[Daxtell]

Big, in answer to your original question, in general, extra nutrients do not cancel out other nutrients as I understand growing.

Then, I pointed to pH lockout, which is one way to stop nutrient uptake by plants. I am not an organic grower, but have my hat off for the long time growers that have forgotten more than I know. You have a few good grows experienced. If milk works, great. I would worry about the fats in milk attracting pests. What little i have read about composting, fats can be troublesome in compost. Skim milk may be an improvement in that respect. I would at least buy a cheaper milk. Does pasteurization matter?

Right now, I have one plant in soil and it is growing into a very healthy plant. I dont know if its the strain or the better care. The plant's health is suggesting that I try this path for a while.

Listening to the plant is what works in the end for me.