some days i really hate this country...

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this is complete bull****. sorry if this is a little to political but i thought y'all would want to see this. if its against the rules by all means take it down but i still think everyone should read this, even if you dont live in the US.

he didnt even get a slap on the wrist for the pot, they just took everything else from him. because they can... also, i need a smily that can properly convey my complete disgust and dissappointment with my government. i noticed we dont have one.

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I edited your link cookie, (replace the hXXP with http)
..but left the post. It's "news" IMO. And worthy of a read.
We've been condemned by some of the members here at MP, for not allowing kids to seek advice on growing in their parents home, without full consent. The story is a perfect example of "WHY" we don't condone or encourage it.
Thanks!! ;)
 
That is complete lunacy. This government is going down the drain every day. It makes me sad to be a part of it sometimes.....I feel so bad for those people. Take care and be careful everyone.
 
yea i remember that. it happened a few months back. he doesn't have a chance unfortunately. all this from a little bag of pot
 
FTG...

Thursday, March 20, 2008
Bob Ewing

For 40 years, Meredith and Luther Ricks did everything the right way. They worked hard, saved carefully and raised a family in their modest Lima home. They were poised to enjoy their retirement years in peace.

Despite their four decades of hard work, however, an absurdly unjust law has turned their hope for the American Dream into an outrageous nightmare at the hands of the Cleveland FBI.

Both of the Ricks spent their careers at the Ohio Steel Foundry, eschewing lavish spending to save for a comfortable retirement. Not trusting banks, Meredith and Luther kept their life savings in a safe inside the house.

Last summer, two violent intruders broke into the Rickses' house. Luther and his son fought with the burglars. After his son was stabbed, Luther broke free, got his gun and saved the family by shooting one of the intruders and scaring the other off.

When Lima police arrived, the Ricks' nightmare should have been over - but it was just beginning.

The police entered the house and discovered the family safe. Because a small amount of marijuana was inside the home - used by Luther to ease his painful arthritis, hip replacement and shingles - the officers decided to confiscate Meredith and Luther's entire life savings, more than $400,000.

Shortly afterward, the FBI got involved - not to help the stricken family, but to claim the money for the federal government.

Such is the result of civil forfeiture laws, which represent one of the most profound assaults on our rights today.

Civil forfeiture can apply to virtually any property: cars, houses, boats and, as the Rickses' case demonstrates, even money. The property can be seized merely on suspicion that it was used in connection with a crime or resulted from criminal activity.

The police did not charge Luther for the shooting - he acted in self-defense - or for the small quantity of marijuana he used as medicine. Under civil forfeiture, the government can confiscate money or property without proving that a person is guilty of criminal misconduct.

While criminal forfeiture requires that a property owner be found guilty of a crime beyond a reasonable doubt, civil forfeiture does not require that the owner even be accused of a crime, much less convicted. The government proceeds directly against the property it wants to take, which means owners are not entitled to any of the protections they would receive if they were accused of a crime.

This bizarre practice was not widespread in the United States until alcohol prohibition and has been used extensively since drug prohibition stiffened in the 1970s and 1980s.

The FBI's adoption of the Lima police's forfeiture is not unusual - the federal government regularly seizes property that was originally confiscated by local authorities and then splits the resulting profits. In Missouri, for example, authorities were recently caught turning forfeitures over to the federal government in order to avoid a legal requirement that proceeds go to schools.

The abuses don't stop there. In the 1990s, police in Louisiana were stealing innocent people's property by fabricating drug crimes. They used the proceeds for ski trips to Aspen.

Civil forfeiture is now a nationwide epidemic with proceeds from federal civil forfeiture alone reaching hundreds of millions of dollars each year. This is part of a larger trend over the past several decades of weakened property rights protection.

In 2005, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in the landmark Kelo case that government officials can use eminent domain to buy your home, business, church or farm and then hand your property over to another private entity so long as the new owner promises to generate more tax revenue with your land.

Importantly, a nationwide backlash is under way. Ohio leads the country with a historic unanimous ruling in 2006 by the state's Supreme Court that reined in the awesome power of land confiscation. Forty-two states have now reformed their laws on land grabs, making it harder for governments to take your property to boost their tax revenues.

We desperately need a similar backlash against the abuses of civil forfeiture. Thankfully, Meredith and Luther Ricks are fighting back. With free legal help, this week they filed a notice with the Cleveland office of the FBI, demanding the return of their life savings.

Governments should protect, not plunder, our property. Common sense and justice demand that the rampant abuse of civil forfeiture must end.

Ewing is the assistant director of communications for the Institute for Justice, the nation's leading legal advocate for property rights.
 
Well I hope they fight on and win. The two cops that stole that safe are nothing more than thieves. They should be in jail.
 
bearfootbob said:
Well I hope they fight on and win. The two cops that stole that safe are nothing more than thieves. They should be in jail.

thats just it though. the cops didnt "steal" it. they sezied it, in the name of the government, for no real reason. what they did was completely legal unfortunately. its like a different facet of emminent domain. the government can pretty take anything it wants from you and theres nothing you can really do. it blows. all they need is a dumb reason to notice it and an equally dumb excuse to take it away from you.
 
i hate to break it to you...but you cant even stop them from entering your home anymore. If you are a suspected "terrorist"...they can rumage through your house and sieze items without notifying you first. They are supposed to send you a notice within 3 months of the entry though.

:cool:

personally...i'm missing a hair comb...i hope it shows up.
 
I would fight them tooth and nail if that happened to me. That is complete ** and it shouldn't be allowed in this day and age. This government is taking our freedoms every day and people seem to be oblivious to it. I know first-hand but I don't want to say too much about it. I don't want to give away my identity. I want to be safe when I'm on this site but I know first-hand that the government is as dirty as the bottom of my work boots. I am sad that I'm a part of it. Be careful everyone. Take care.
 
Basically cops in the US can do anything reasonable suspicion can lead to a unwarrented warrant on any1 that just how most nations are and will be with a strong central goverment its to hard to make change i pray these people get there money back and dont keep it in there house this time this is why they need a bank any corrupt cops jack pot any thiefs jackpot its not safe carrying that much money in your house with your family and now its public news that they had $400,000 dollars

On a New note I hope they get there money move to canada and have happy lives :)
 
wish i could move to canada. people just seem so much more, i dunno, reasonable. not quite so overwhelmed by an archaic moral code and self-righteousness... oh im sure there are the exceptions but i mean the society as a whole just seems more level-headed and sensible.

i think this country was and is capable of great things but changes need to be made. massive changes. but before that can happen, all the sand needs to be removed from the nation's collective vagina. sadly i dont see that happening anytime soon. im young and it makes it hard to make life decisions. like i want kids more than anything, but i can recognize all to easily where things are headed and i dont know if i can condemn another life to that fate. its a horrible feeling really. sort of hope, disgust, fear, and defeat all in one. its sickening almost.
 
allgrownup said:
i hate to break it to you...but you cant even stop them from entering your home anymore. If you are a suspected "terrorist"...they can rumage through your house and sieze items without notifying you first. They are supposed to send you a notice within 3 months of the entry though.

:cool:

personally...i'm missing a hair comb...i hope it shows up.

:hubba: I knew it all the time, I knew it!!! The OldLady is always blaming me for losing stuff and messing up the house when she is not around. I always told her it was them government folks sneakin around the house when I wasnt looking, hiding stuff and making the messes. Probably the Brother In-Law, the local Sheriff, eh??? He is always trying to get me into trouble with his Baby Sister, eh???:cool:
 

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