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Global warming is so amusing!

SCIENTISTS are trying to improve predictions about the impact of global warming this century by pooling estimates about the risk of floods or desertification. "We feel certain about some of the aspects of future climate change, like that it is going to get warmer," said Matthew Collins of the British Met Office. "But on many of the details it's very difficult to say."

"The way we can deal with this is a new technique of expressing the predictions in terms of probabilities," Mr Collins said of climate research published in the journal Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society A. Scientists in the UN climate panel, for instance, rely on several complex computer models to forecast the impacts of warming this century, ranging from changing rainfall patterns over Africa to rising global sea levels. But these have flaws because of a lack of understanding about how clouds form, for instance, or how Antarctica's ice will react to less cold. And reliable temperature records in most nations stretch back only about 150 years.

Under new techniques looking at probabilities, "predictions from different models are pooled to produces estimates of future climate change, together with their associated uncertainties", the Royal Society said. The approach might help quantify risks for a construction firm building homes in a flood-prone valley, for instance, or an insurance company wanting to work out what premiums to charge.

Mr Collins said uncertainties include how natural disasters out of human control affect the climate. A volcanic eruption, such of Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines in 1991, can temporarily cool the earth because the dust blocks sunlight. "Climate science is a very new science and we have only just begun to explore the uncertainties," said David Stainforth of Oxford University in England who contributed research to the Royal Society. "We should expect the uncertainty to increase rather than decrease" in coming years as scientists work to understand the climate, he said. That would complicate the chances of assigning probabilities.

As an example, he said designers of schools in Europe wanted to know if there would be more heatwaves like one in 2003 when children were sometimes barred from playing outside because of the risks of sunburn and possible skin cancers. If so, they might design schools with a lot of shaded outdoor play areas. "But it might be the case that warmer temperatures mean more cloudiness, so then you won't get the risk of skin cancers," Mr Stainforth said. "Non-temperature factors are the hardest to predict."
 
MrPuffAlot said:
im high..

cliff notes please...

Planet is getting too hot and melting polar ice caps because we won't quit using fossil fuels. Scientists will not speculate anything...not even sure if its getting hotter even though the heatwaves are becoming more and more. Basically saying "we don't know squat". So much for the college system. hehehehe
Polar ice caps melt we all die or build an arc and start packin animals. :holysheep: better start learnin what a "cubit" is :p...I got my Llama already. :lama: :p
My name ain't cliff but that sums it up :p hehehehe
 
I dont mean to spark trouble but i think the governments, councils, and campaigns whole idea of blaming the everyday man for global warming is a far fetched and rediculous one.

For starters, we have little choice. For many of us walking is not an option, we simply live too far away for our work, from our family and friends and any other commitments.

Its almost like people seem confused at the causes behind the phenominon, and even though scientists claim that a nuclear war at this time would cause a global warming cotastrophy, why have the previous nuke tests been overlooked as causes?

After being high, talking to a friend about nukes, and watching as many videos as i could on the net (purely out of a stoned curiosity) it quickly dawned on me that you cant unleash that ammount of power onto the side of a planet and hope everything will be "cool" afterwards, especially multiple tests at multiple locations. Surely these things will have been one of the not so much catylists but triggers of this problem?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmQIkDkZ7sk <-- I challenge anyone to watch that and tell me it hasnt done any damage to our environment.
 
I agree to a certain extent, history shows us that major ecological catastrophes lead to ice age. Volcano eruptions and Meteor stikes are compared to Nuclear devices in magnitude. Ice age was a major thing as it was the planets way of healing from a major devastating natural catastrophe. (I think I read too much :p )

But to say that the industrial revolution which is not that old does not have an impact on the ecological system is not that far fetched. Its not been that long in the history of man since the use of fossil fuels have been in use. So that is a major contributing factor.

Blowing things up with magnitudes in the megatons will have a huge negative impact on the ecological environment. but it is not the only cause. IMO. To look at negative impacts on ecology ALL factors must be taken into account. Fossil fuels are a mojor contributor in this as well. Along with weapons of mass destruction, deforestization, non bio degradable products, CFC's, pollution of air, water, soil. Just to name a few.

The major probem is our leaders failure to promote safer fuel methods. Look at bio diesal, very effeciant and burns clean. That is just one simple example, but do you see our leaders pushing for that?

Just my two bits. but let's keep the thread safe from closer by not aurguing due to the political nature of this post. If we keep the "politics" out then it can be a very good topic.
 
yep exactly. I didnt mean it was the only cause, but definetly here Nukes arn't even mentioned as a global warming contributor.

And however saying i think that the weight of warming on the common mans shoulders was almost laughable, i DO think it is our job to do our best to get back on track, I mean are we sheep? do we only act when our governments need us to? no, the people in there masses are the world, its just a shame the world is turning its back on itself.

However whos to say we havent already gone too far
 
As "tool" said we are Earth's cancer. Instead of living as one with it...we as the human race try to bend it, conform it and change it to suit our "supposed" needs. Imstead of looking at what it really is.....We are guests on a living thing. We can pick one of two paths.
1. We live in harmony with it, help it to help us.
2. bend, manipulate, and rape it for own wants and it will either die or fight back (a fight we could never possibly win).

YES IMHO the human race sorta punched a "gift horse" in the mouth when it came to mom nature. One thing nature has proven over and over "we WILL reap what we sow". Doesn't look too good in our favor right now.

and to top it off just watched a show on discovery about the feds researching how to "create" natural disastors. Far fetched now....but when is enough enough.....I don't think the human race is cut out to play God.


Here is some links for you Riz
Nuclear:
http://archive.greenpeace.org/comms/rw/aug01.html
http://gulfwarvets.com/greely.htm
http://www.ratical.com/radiation/inetSeries/testsNquakes.html
http://www.eh.doe.gov/nepa/eis/eis0243/EIS0243_a.html
http://www.rmiembassyus.org/Nuclear Issues.htm
Fossil Fuel:
http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=6186058
http://cseserv.engr.scu.edu/nquinn/ENGR019_299Fall2000/StudentWebSites/Masuda/researchpaper.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecological_footprint
weather warfare:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHO20040927&articleId=319
http://cuttingedge.org/articles/weather.cfm
http://www.rense.com/general67/wmds.htm

My links might be kooky....but the wright bros were considered nuts when they put together a plane and flew it. Some of the great scientific minds in history were considered almost heretics, but later found to be right.......point made for those that think I'm nuts.
 
thanks man, just having a look..

Creating natural disasters, now theres a new one.. kinda james bondish? yep, when is enough enough.

I guess we as MJ growers all share a common ground. The respect for mother nature. We see the advantages and disadvantages every day as does anyone who has a passion for any form of nature, and as a result probably have more empathy for the earth in general.

By the way you guys should all check out the hadron super collider in Geneva. Yep, they intend on firing a mass amount of protons into each other in an attempt to re-create the exact conditions that triggered the "big bang". However, previous collider experiments have resulted in minute black hole detection.

The worry is, will an expirement of such magnitude and scale open up the doorway to something unexpected? or even more worrying open an unclosable black hole? End of the world or the biggest scientifical discovery of all time: what makes matter stick together.. what creates mass?

Sorry, deep lol.. good watching though, 3 part documentary on youtube
 
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Well it seems the old science vs religion argument has been decided in my eyes. Religion may actually be the lesser of two evils? :eek:

I think its safe to say damn
 
the_riz said:
The worry is, will an expirement of such magnitude and scale open up the doorway to something unexpected? or even more worrying open an unclosable black hole? End of the world or the biggest scientifical discovery of all time: what makes matter stick together.. what creates mass?

LOL I always laugh at the big bang theory. all dispelling religeon....but exactly "what created mass"..Me I really don't care....to me its there been there and everything worked out pretty darn good...why go monkeyin with it. The theoritical gravity pull of a black hole is NOTHING to play with. IMHO...It is what it is a "black hole"...prolly a good reason why its black and a hole (prolly stinks too hehehehehe). but hey if a few scientist wanna stick there nose into it more power to em....I like the thought they are billions of miles away. Gotta enough stinky black holes here as it is :p
Scientific discorvery is good ONLY if it benefits man.IMHO....you don't go runnin around messin with it for craps and giggles.
I mean who even thought up the idea of "hey we can take this theory on nuclear physics and blow up entire cities". uhm.....am I the only one that sees the stupidity in that?
Or better yet....lets see if I place an atomic explosion in this spot in the ocean....with a magnitude of X and see if this tsunami will wipe out the coast of THIS country.....uhm...another stupid idea....
and to think....hey it's alright.....no one will ever use it?!?!?!?!?!?!

Sorry like Riz Prolly...took monday off havin a couple of beers and a few one hitters will get me going :p
 
lol sounds good man.. monday off?... sure is a novel idea lol

:rofl: stinkin' black holes.. billions of miles away for some hundereds for others! :eek:..

man i could go on all day, stop me, close the thread!, anything! lol
 
Has any one here taken in to count that the planets magneticl field is reversing its self. To make this quik the climates in different areas of the world are going to swap. Antartica used to be lush forest now is ice and is melting, might this have been from the previous magnetical change? I have a good site link that goes a little more in to detail if I am allowed to place it?
 
This thread has gone off the deep end (black stinky holes, man made tornados, etc). :p post away man. LOL
Turnin out to be a fun thread. amazing what we can find out in the WWW
but if it has ANYTHING to do with the tooth fairy bein real I'm outa here :holysheep:

Just joking....I'm finding the topic very interesting.
 
Spot on C_I, right now my northern european country is being hounded with weather from an even northerner european country. Norways getting some of the arctic stream (stronger than usual) the UK is getting some of norways stream, france is getting some of the UKs and so on and so forth, im not sure how far down this jet stream problem is spreading, all i know is its left us with a 4 month crippled summer, nationwide floods and the outlook is not too great for the rest..:(

whats worse is that people are saying things might not change any year soon, and this is a taste of things to come..:(

Heres one if anyones interested, a friend at work was telling me about something he'd been deeply interested in so i thought i'd check it out.. the first teleportation in 2004 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3811785.stm

I cant find anything more update wise on the research other than this perticular story, but heres one of those deep make you think questions that has always plagued me ever since i learnt the idea behind how teleportation works (star trek lol)

If it were possible to break you down, transport you to another location and rebuild you the other end via the breaking down of your atomic structure, would you still be the same person once rebuilt? or would you cease to exist only to produce an identical copy from that moment in time?

im guessing if this were the case it would be a very disturbing scenario.. you are dead, you commited suicide, but your alive? its just not YOU anymore, or is it? it has your memories? it has your knowledge and it will walk the same path, but your dead, not him, hes not you :holysheep:

damn... headache lol.. need w33d
 
what a way to go over a thousand dude. We have just entered the "twilight zone man"
I remember that when they first started toyin with the idea in the 90's....but then read that that guy was trying it....imagine the implications on life as we know it. Major quantum physics behind that. but I do not think clone would be the appropriate term. clone is an exact genetic replica. Where as teleportation would actually be just breaking the object down to it's atomic level and moving it at the speed of light...oooh einstein man....and putting it back together. But the implications on a religeous level...dealing with an object (spirit, soul, etc.) that contains no molecular structure as man knows it. That is a trippy thought.
Go in and come out souless on the other side. No chi, soul, spirit, what ever you want to call it. It has no structure in science as they cannot find it "scientifically" so the dangers are very great, because we are talking of stripping something down and putting it back together without knowing everything about the object.....yep RIZ just grabbed my ole one hitter again....migraine coming.
 
Here is just a little diagram and description of what is going on. I saw the whole documentary on PBS on night. You have to buy it through this site to actually view it I think though. Anyways here is a link I am just tossing in to the circle. This is not a topic I would like to delve in to (The destruction of the world and such/so fourth.........you know) This is interesting though. Check it out.:cool:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/magnetic/reversals.html
 
I just realized something.....who ever said stoners don't use there mind.....seems to me we use more brain cells than most. ;) thought I'd add that...pretty intense thread we got goin on.
 
mutt damn... very deep very interesting, im not going to lie i read your post, pondered, rolled up, read your post again, read the last paragraph again, pondered some more and im still not sure what to think..

Anyone else got any deep plaguing brain pondering questions about life dont hezitate to express your view, opinion, or fact!.. i want more lol

So heres another one. What defines space, boundery wise. Surely everything must be within bounderies, although its human nature to beleive this due to the fact everything in life exists within the confines of itself, but does space end? and if it does, whats on the other side :eek:
 
"on average every 250,000 years&#8212;but maybe not when you consider that it's been over 700,000 years since the last reversal"

And if thats true then where lucky, and i mean LUCKY to be alive to whitness even a fraction of the final undoing of civilisation lol.... until next time
 

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