Questions about guns baggies numbers scales etc

[2Dog]

Ok so as most of you know I grow legally in california. My bro's friend is a cop. Bro has asked him many questions regarding how they handle certain situations with marijuana growers.
1. Guns we have been told that if we have a gun in the house and we are growing it looks really bad, the cops will come down harder and push for a distribiting charge even if gun is legal and say a shotgun. what do you think of this?
2. scales I have a small digi scale cop told him that is another big no no where they will try to say it is for selling even if I say it is to know how much meds I am taking a day etc..
3. plastic bags again he says these are a huge deal I have them in pantry nromal kitchen stuff I try to keep everything in jars...how do you feel about bags in the house?
4. lots of jars..I have a huge jar collection does this go against me if I get a cop looking through them even though there is no weight in them?
5. pitt bull..I have one a mix breed. I am in no way going to give her up but his friend mentioned that it is another strike against a grower..
6. maybe most imortant he said anybody over 50 plants is screwed and they will be treated way more aggresively by investigators..I can grow over 50 but dont.. what do you think of this?

so in all I guess I am asking your opinions on keeping these things in the home? Do I really need to get rid of my scale..I do want to be safe as possible as there are people in prison for doing what I am doing even though the states says it's ok my county is really fighting it shutting down clubs..

 

[4u2sm0ke]

IMO...if they want to charge ya with anything they will find a way....The baggie one kills me...just my thaughts


Merry Christmas 2Dog:48:

 

[surreptitious]

4u2 is right. if they want to charge you with something they will. your only hope would in the court room.

personally, it's not illegal own a gun (if you do it right), to own baggies, to own jars, to own a pitbul, to own scales or even the plants in your state. I dont know how the laws work in cali. if you are that worried about it, contact a lawyer.

 

[2Dog]

I am not so much worried..as being cautious. I will not go to prison..I dont think I could handle being locked up so I want to be smart. I think the scale is going to go..

 

[PUFF MONKEY]

if pot is legal where you are, you have the 2nd amendment right to arm yourselves any way you see fit...if i grew in cali you bet your buds i'll have some kind of firearm to defend my home from the folks who may want to rob me...are belt feds legal in cali ?

 

[2Dog]

it is technically locally legal but not federally..and the local chief dyer is a pot nazi...as far as he is concerned federal trumps state in this area.

 

[PUFF MONKEY]

his beliefs are unconstitutional.....i've had a few run in's with the feds (FBI,ATF) and unless you are "affecting interstate commerce" ,you are by law outside of their jurisdiction(spelling?). law is a funny animal cause if you go to court not knowing the law the other side WILL take full advantage of it..thats why the feds have a 95% conviction rate.

 

[umbra]

I have friends in CO with the same issues. Except everyone in CO owns a gun.

 

[pcduck]

Here where it is really frowned upon, the scale and the gun looks bad but what looks bad to a cop does not make it illegal. For the scale I would just say I use it for my diet and for the gun..the way things are going around here I need one to protect myself and property. But now if you have a scale, some plastic bags, and a gun all inside a glass mason jar being guarded by a pitbull while growing marijuana then you are really screwed:aok:

 

[dirtyolsouth]

But now if you have a scale, some plastic bags, and a gun all inside a glass mason jar being guarded by a pitbull while growing marijuana then you are really screwed:aok:

:rofl: NICE, PCduck...

I think one good precaution retailers dont do from the common sense file is to keep these items far from your grow and/or dried stash. Many dealers will keep their weed, cash, IOU list, scale and baggies in one place... and it's not hard to make a case when it's all tied up in a bow for them. :cop: I have a small digital scale that I keep in the kitchen cabinet next to the baking supplies. The baggies I keep with all the like food storage items/wraps/foil, etc. And the doggie likes to chomp down on balls... and doesn't discriminate too much what kind...:hubba: I don't own a gun but if I did I would sure have it registered, legit and stored properly. IF god fotbid they ever did come in I'd tell them where the gun was...

Peace!:huh:

 

[Mutt]

The federal government claims that marijuana is not medicine and in Gonzales v. Raich (2005), the United States Supreme Court held that the federal government has the constitutional authority to prohibit marijuana for all purposes. Thus, federal law enforcement officials may prosecute medical marijuana patients, even if they grow their own medicine and even if they reside in a state where medical marijuana use is protected under state law. The Court indicated that Congress and the Food and Drug Administration should work to resolve this issue.

Fed Law regarding weapons and federal felonies

Use or Carrying a Firearm with Violence or Drug Offenses​

18 USC 924(c) makes it a crime to use or carry a gun in relation to any crime involving violence or drug trafficking. Just hiding a gun nearby, generally, is not enough to convict under the "use" of a firearm. For "carrying" a gun found in a home near to drugs found doesnt amount to "carrying" a firearm under 924 (c). The sentence imposed must be served consecutively or after any other sentence. There are mandatory minimum sentences under this section. For instance, if the firearm was brandished, 7 years, discharged, 10 years, short-barreled rifle or short barreled shotgun, 10 years, machine gun 30 years. Also, there are other sentencing enhancements like the Armed Career Criminal Act, where the defendant has 3 or more prior convictions for violent felonies or serious drug offenses.​

I would not have the gun with the herb under any circumstances. keep it in a seperate location. Best it not be there at all TBO. State law may be very different. I heard like Cali is really tough on guns where i'm at its not so harsh.

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but after its said in done...you might not be able to have a gun legally.

 

[parkone]

I've also been told your grow area can not be larger than 10x10ft.

 

[mojavemama]

I like what DOS and Mutt said. 2 Dog is legal, to begin with, and she's not out on the street selling, just growing her own medicine. The Chief of Police would have to have a darned good reason to come to your house.

As for the scale---so right, DOS--keep it in the kitchen cupboard, and you could even paste a picture of a piece of cake in a red circle with a diagonal line through it. It would be obviously a diet aide. <G>

And the jars? Keep them with a book on canning vegetables, and even put a few handwritten labels on some of the jars, like "Peaches, 20008" or "Stewed Tomatoes."

Nutes and other stuff like that--keep with your outdoor flower supplies. And place a few flower seed packets or herb seed packets with the tools and nutes.

I also wouldn't hesitate to actually grow a few pots of herbs in your grow room as well--they are wonderful for cooking, dressing up a dinner plate, and making a grow room look legit. Gourmet cooking is a big deal thing now, very popular too. Lots of home chefs grow their own herbs all year long. If my hubby didn't have his basil, thyme and chives growing, he'd quit cooking. OH, and Rosemary is VERY pungent, masks the pot smell well.

And if LEO comes, you can offer the nice officer a few baggies of basil, thyme, chives, and rosemary for home cooking, along with a recipe for a great lasagna dish!

 

[the chef]

:goodposting: mmama took the thoughts right out of my head! 2dog simple things will keep you out of view of the old chiefy. No matter how you spin your constitutional whatever as you already know at least for right now on a federal level what we do is illegal and federal laws in all states concerning mmj, supercede state laws...we'll see next year! Keep it simple: Kepp your stuff out of site and you'll be out of thier mind! Got a gun? Keep it put up in a closet and one thing the dealers don't have is a lock guard on the triggers. You see even under california law that firearm is rendered homesafe fer you and your children. With a guard it signifies that your firearm is for home protection and you are taking the appropriate steps to make it safe to have in your home. Dealers need something to quickdraw, you don't.....i hope Kepp your scales and all put up in case of visitors and relax. If your doing something to be noticed, you will be and if your not...........

 

[4u2sm0ke]

nice discusion 2Dog...I would like to add for those that are not leagle....that if ya get popped they will add as many charges as hey can against ya...here is Washington I have a permit to carry a firearm...But chose not to because of the federal level. But I will no way give up my GUNS..nor Growing.and if ya truely fallow the state laws then they have no right to bother you...But also think if ya have a bunch of jars filled they may look at that as intent..lol..okay need to hit my bong now...


Take care and be safe

 

[2Dog]

I am very under the radar as they say...I have never even pulled over or gotten a ticket..knock on wood..never had the cops called etc...but! I have been to the clubs and I have read and heard on the news that they are sopenaing (is that a word lol) the records...has all info in there how much we grow where we live. A felon could run through my backyard and they need to search they sometimes go door to door in neighborhoods if kids are missing..etc just the what in case thoughts here I am too pretty to go to a jail full of lesbians..I'd have to live dirty

 

[the chef]

Don't worry i'm sure they will be looking at huge grows and by the time and if they look at the smaller growers it will be legal in cali. Still thinkin on moving there.

 

[surreptitious]

if pot is legal where you are, you have the 2nd amendment right to arm yourselves any way you see fit...if i grew in cali you bet your buds i'll have some kind of firearm to defend my home from the folks who may want to rob me...are belt feds legal in cali ?

LOL, are belt feds legal in cali. thats pretty funny. i know for a fact that there is no carry conceal handgun permit in cali.

 

[legalize_freedom]

Sounds like you got alot of good advice 2dog. I gues this is where we all weigh wether this is worth the price we may have to pay if we get in trouble. You seem like a very intelligent woman, usually the people who are getting busted, are either running their mouths when and where they shouldn't, or have sold to someone that they shouldn't. You aren't a dealer, and hopefully your not show and telling your grow to anyone. You have every right to own a firearm, and you are legal in your state to grow, I think the cheif, wether a pot nazi or not, knows how hard it will be to convict someone in your shoes in the courts. The feds are not going to mess with you unless you start makeing alot of money and flaunting it. You are a couple steps ahead of most of us that are still doing this the old fashioned way.

Yes Jail sucks, but if you had to spend a couple nights it honestly won't kill you, and even people who are busted for cultivating in illegal states don't usually do hard time for their first offense, they don't want to throw tax payers in jail. They do want to throw people in jail who are making a grand a day, and not paying taxes. You are safe...same as all of us (a little more than most because of your legality) as long as you keep your mouth shut about it.

 

[surreptitious]

I would not have the gun with the herb under any circumstances. keep it in a seperate location. Best it not be there at all TBO. State law may be very different. I heard like Cali is really tough on guns where i'm at its not so harsh.



but after its said in done...you might not be able to have a gun legally.

where i'm at if you are 18 years old you can go to a gun store and purchase a long gun. they do a quick check on you with a certain database (FBI or whatever) if it comes back clean you can walk out the door with it.

we also have a carry conceal law. you have to take a gun safety course. then you fill out a packet of information (ie a doctor has to sign it to say that you arent crazy and are fit to carry a gun) after they take the packet, they review it, take your finger prints, and 8-10 weeks later they call you up and you get the permit. as long as nothing bad came back about you in their investigation.

with this card you have the legal right to carry a concealed handgun. you can carry it anywhere you want except a few places: 1. any place that has a sign on their door specifically stating no handguns allowed. 2. any place that serves alcohol. 3. any place that you have to pay for enterance. 4. any religious building 5. any private land that you dont have the permission of the owner to carry.

you also have the right to purchase as many hand guns that you want. although, i believe if you buy more than 5 at a time you are put on a list.

the class that you go through also teaches you when you are legally allowed to use deadly force on someone.

1. you actually believe deadly forces is needed to prevent the threat of death, great harm, or sexual assault to you or someone else.
2 . someone other normal person would believe the same thing
3. you did not instigate the need for deadly force.
4. the force you did use was not excessive.

that's a lot of steps to go through in your head in a quick instant. these are the laws where i live. the instructor of our safety class said this: "if someone comes at you with a knife you pull out your gun a shoot them" by the time they get close enough with a knife they will be threatning your life.

anyways, i'm rambling now lol