rollingstoned, thanks for your feed back. I did get a little streching and I did start a journal but its not on line, I figured that since its my fist grow I knew I would make mistakes and didnt want to make the same mistakes on my second grow. They started off on the ruff side, and am suprised the way they are turning out. The key is with the flouros keep them close to the lights, I usually keep the light 1 to 2 inches away from the top of the plants. Bombbud, no I havent posted the pics any place else on this site, thanks for your feed back also, so far I am happy with the turn out I have so far and I got the seeds from some decent bud I picked up from a friend. I started 20 plants, kept six of the best looking ones and out of those six two were Hermies pulled them up and tossed them.