Thanks lokee, i've got all this stuff but never used much, me and the girls been having a chemical romance, time for some organics, at least use this stuff up i got, but I really want to use it by itself, and use it correctly, and not do a mixed grow on the nutes. I did buy some PH down today, before i did i went out and checked my rain barrel's PH, It's the wifes patio water, it was 7 also, i got a little block of coco, along with my sunshine #4 today, add three gallons of water to it. The old dog's gonna try some new tricks, please, never let me stop learning, thats my motto.