Just Say No to Responsible Ohio initiative
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Shared by the Ohio Rights Group FB page today.
To: Responsible Ohio
The Attorney General found issues in the original summary that have not been corrected in the second petition that has been circulating. Therefore, it will be necessary to draft yet another summary and amendment to address the various conflicts the AG has mentioned. I beg of you to take this opportunity to listen to the vast majority of the cannabis using citizens of Ohio. You have witnessed the backlash against the exclusivity of the proposed 10 cultivation sites/firms. Allowing homegrown into your second proposal was a great start, yet still fails on many aspects - specifically that of registration and licensing requirements.
Private citizens are leery of any State database with such personal information. Firearms do not have any registration requirement in the State of Ohio and marijuana user should be respected the same privacy rights granted to that of private gun owners. The personal possession limit at home is also incredibly low, even for a four plant allowance. Examine the results of professional growers such as Jorge Cervantes, and you can easily see that an individual can yield a pound or more per plant in the outdoors. This raises yet another issue that was not clearly detailed in your second drafting - outdoor growing. Growing marijuana outdoors is natural, efficient, and obviously much better for the environment. Any further proposals must clearly grant home owners the "right" to grow marijuana naturally if they so desire. And most importantly, The issue of rights are never fully established in the wording of your proposals. I heard your proposed amendment described of as "resembling a business plan more than legislation." I must agree. Personal freedom, privacy, and citizens rights should be the foremost issue of any legalization, not the bottom line of capital investment.
- Drop the homegrown registration requirement.
- Raise the personal homegrown limit on both plants and possession weight.
- Draft a "Cannabis Bill of Rights" or the such, specifically granting rights to citizens.
- Allow more competition in cultivation.
If ResponsibleOhio were to adopt the above proposals your organization would be assured victory by those of us this legislation affects most of all. Please consider this when drafting the third, and hopefully, final summary and amendment that will finally move Ohio into the future and grant its citizens the rights they have been denied for far too long.
Thank you. - George Barrett
To: Responsible Ohio
The Attorney General found issues in the original summary that have not been corrected in the second petition that has been circulating. Therefore, it will be necessary to draft yet another summary and amendment to address the various conflicts the AG has mentioned. I beg of you to take this opportunity to listen to the vast majority of the cannabis using citizens of Ohio. You have witnessed the backlash against the exclusivity of the proposed 10 cultivation sites/firms. Allowing homegrown into your second proposal was a great start, yet still fails on many aspects - specifically that of registration and licensing requirements.
Private citizens are leery of any State database with such personal information. Firearms do not have any registration requirement in the State of Ohio and marijuana user should be respected the same privacy rights granted to that of private gun owners. The personal possession limit at home is also incredibly low, even for a four plant allowance. Examine the results of professional growers such as Jorge Cervantes, and you can easily see that an individual can yield a pound or more per plant in the outdoors. This raises yet another issue that was not clearly detailed in your second drafting - outdoor growing. Growing marijuana outdoors is natural, efficient, and obviously much better for the environment. Any further proposals must clearly grant home owners the "right" to grow marijuana naturally if they so desire. And most importantly, The issue of rights are never fully established in the wording of your proposals. I heard your proposed amendment described of as "resembling a business plan more than legislation." I must agree. Personal freedom, privacy, and citizens rights should be the foremost issue of any legalization, not the bottom line of capital investment.
- Drop the homegrown registration requirement.
- Raise the personal homegrown limit on both plants and possession weight.
- Draft a "Cannabis Bill of Rights" or the such, specifically granting rights to citizens.
- Allow more competition in cultivation.
If ResponsibleOhio were to adopt the above proposals your organization would be assured victory by those of us this legislation affects most of all. Please consider this when drafting the third, and hopefully, final summary and amendment that will finally move Ohio into the future and grant its citizens the rights they have been denied for far too long.
Thank you. - George Barrett
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Maybe I am reading between the lines but it sound to me like George is saying that if RO adds those items and corrects BOR part, that ORG will drop out.
If ResponsibleOhio were to adopt the above proposals your organization would be assured victory by those of us
I don't know of any other way to ASSURE victory other than for ORG to drop out.
Let's face it, before November, you really should only have 1 amendment to vote for (or against). Having all these different groups is just muddying up the waters. Not to mention, they all have the same name. LOL I find people are very confused about which group is which.
If ResponsibleOhio were to adopt the above proposals your organization would be assured victory by those of us
I don't know of any other way to ASSURE victory other than for ORG to drop out.
Let's face it, before November, you really should only have 1 amendment to vote for (or against). Having all these different groups is just muddying up the waters. Not to mention, they all have the same name. LOL I find people are very confused about which group is which.
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Hackerman,
It only takes a quick Google search to see who is who and what's what. Any voter should express the responsibility of educating oneself.
Supporting RO forfeits our rights now and forever. Change it later? Yeah, right. If it was that easy to fix the situation we wouldn't be in this thread.
BTW, I'm really glad Walmart moved in and put down so many mom and pop business's. That was awesome for the economy. Take a look through Middlefield and let me know how spectacular walmart is.
I really don't want mass produced swag. I can get that on any corner in Cleveland or Columbus, Athens, Cincinatti, Dayton, Toledo, Akron.... Guess what, that crap is supplied by a cartel too! Hey, rich friends, I got an idea! Let's all team up and do what theyre doing! That's all it is. That's also why it was laughed off the desk.
I get the heavy feeling of hypocrasy from your posts. Maybe you're just a troll.
I honestly don't see how any person can settle for 2nd rate options. All it takes is a little heart and a spine and you can succeed in anything.
It only takes a quick Google search to see who is who and what's what. Any voter should express the responsibility of educating oneself.
Supporting RO forfeits our rights now and forever. Change it later? Yeah, right. If it was that easy to fix the situation we wouldn't be in this thread.
BTW, I'm really glad Walmart moved in and put down so many mom and pop business's. That was awesome for the economy. Take a look through Middlefield and let me know how spectacular walmart is.
I really don't want mass produced swag. I can get that on any corner in Cleveland or Columbus, Athens, Cincinatti, Dayton, Toledo, Akron.... Guess what, that crap is supplied by a cartel too! Hey, rich friends, I got an idea! Let's all team up and do what theyre doing! That's all it is. That's also why it was laughed off the desk.
I get the heavy feeling of hypocrasy from your posts. Maybe you're just a troll.
I honestly don't see how any person can settle for 2nd rate options. All it takes is a little heart and a spine and you can succeed in anything.
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Steve D'Angelo's words on the RO ammendment:
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Article concerning Responsible Ohio in the Columbus Free Press
http://columbusfreepress.com/article/what-we-know-about-ro-one-step-forward-two-steps-back
A new group and concept for marijuana legalization has crept into Ohio and onto the national stage. Activism, advocacy, lobbying and ballot initiatives once comprised the social change formulae that challenged government suppression of this beneficial plant, which has historically been off limits to almost all use. But the success of legalization in Colorado has spawned a whole new brand of opposition. Internal, not external. Wealthy, not impoverished. Influential, not marginal. Seemingly pro, but very con.
A new group calling themselves Responsible Ohio (RO) has emerged on the marijuana ballot scene, driven not by grassroots activism, but instead by a consortium of investors, LLCs and holding companies who seek to enforce market exclusivity by writing themselves into the Ohio Constitution. Yet, despite a Goliath-size budget and a board of the rich and famous, they have made a number of critical errors, causing most of Ohios major newspapers to editorialize a preemptive vote no! to their scheme, belying all of the muscle that ROs six figure ad agencies can buy. Some of the more damning aspects of RO include:
Responsible Who? Back in the day, use of a name in trade counted for something, often times conferred a right to it. Responsible Ohioans for Cannabis has been fielding marijuana ballot initiatives since 2011, although so far unsuccessfully. Still, every single blue blooded Ohio activist knows about them. So its astounding that Responsible Ohio has essentially stolen Responsible Ohioans trade name, not to mention their public domain logo. Granted, they failed to register with the Ohio Secretary of State. So? Whats the right thing to do, RO? Surely, you knew about the Ohioans in advance. Strike one.
The RO Board, oops Key Investors. Take a peek at Responsible Ohios board of directors (no doubt their list of Key Investors is just that). For example, Chancy Pruett and John Humphrey hail from DMP Investments. Who is DMP, you ask? It is a Payday Lending Company, and they are its executives. Remember, these abusive payday loans can carry interest rates of 800 percent or more annually. And how about Bobby George of the Corporate Management Group, Ltd, LLC? Between Ohio, Florida and Nevada, he plays a key role in as many as ten different LLCs (Limited Liability Corporations) with names that provide few clues as to what they do. Where on the list of Key Investors are experts in the cannabis industry, or those who even know the difference between marijuana and cannabis? Hint: none. Noting that cannabis is completely missing from the RO website. Strike two.
An alphabet soup of LLCs. Speaking of nondescript LLCs, check out ROs campaign finance report for 2014. Yikes! This filing on the Ohio Secretary of States website contains entries for 19 contributions, ranging from $3,200 to $250,000. Twelve of the filings are for numbered LLCs such as 76826776 LLC that simultaneously displays (OHIOVEN LLC) next to it. This number corresponds to entries in Edgar on the website of the Securities and Exchange Commission. The sites Form D, Notice of Exempt Offering of Securities, shows that 76826776 LLCs date of first sale for its Equity Offering was 10/24/14, with a minimum $4,000,000 investment, all of which appears to have all been sold. The entry lists Christopher Stock, Ian James and James Gould as the Related Persons. Its little wonder that four members of Ohios Executive Branch panned RO as stupid and offensive. Follow the money? Hardly, in this auditors shell game nightmare. Strike three.
It would be nice if three strikes meant out, but with RO's $1.7 million bank account, it is certain that they will bulldoze their way to the ballot. All the while, knowing much of anything about them will likely have to come from reading tea leaves aka internet searches since any view into the inner workings under their corporate veil will only result from subpoenas, investigations, hearings, lawsuits and judgments, all of which will no doubt plague them long into their controversial trek to the ballot and beyond. What a way to begin this vibrant new industry in Ohio! If ROs three-strike launch is any indication, they will force Ohio down its usual backward path of social change: one step forward, two steps back.
http://columbusfreepress.com/article/what-we-know-about-ro-one-step-forward-two-steps-back
A new group and concept for marijuana legalization has crept into Ohio and onto the national stage. Activism, advocacy, lobbying and ballot initiatives once comprised the social change formulae that challenged government suppression of this beneficial plant, which has historically been off limits to almost all use. But the success of legalization in Colorado has spawned a whole new brand of opposition. Internal, not external. Wealthy, not impoverished. Influential, not marginal. Seemingly pro, but very con.
A new group calling themselves Responsible Ohio (RO) has emerged on the marijuana ballot scene, driven not by grassroots activism, but instead by a consortium of investors, LLCs and holding companies who seek to enforce market exclusivity by writing themselves into the Ohio Constitution. Yet, despite a Goliath-size budget and a board of the rich and famous, they have made a number of critical errors, causing most of Ohios major newspapers to editorialize a preemptive vote no! to their scheme, belying all of the muscle that ROs six figure ad agencies can buy. Some of the more damning aspects of RO include:
Responsible Who? Back in the day, use of a name in trade counted for something, often times conferred a right to it. Responsible Ohioans for Cannabis has been fielding marijuana ballot initiatives since 2011, although so far unsuccessfully. Still, every single blue blooded Ohio activist knows about them. So its astounding that Responsible Ohio has essentially stolen Responsible Ohioans trade name, not to mention their public domain logo. Granted, they failed to register with the Ohio Secretary of State. So? Whats the right thing to do, RO? Surely, you knew about the Ohioans in advance. Strike one.
The RO Board, oops Key Investors. Take a peek at Responsible Ohios board of directors (no doubt their list of Key Investors is just that). For example, Chancy Pruett and John Humphrey hail from DMP Investments. Who is DMP, you ask? It is a Payday Lending Company, and they are its executives. Remember, these abusive payday loans can carry interest rates of 800 percent or more annually. And how about Bobby George of the Corporate Management Group, Ltd, LLC? Between Ohio, Florida and Nevada, he plays a key role in as many as ten different LLCs (Limited Liability Corporations) with names that provide few clues as to what they do. Where on the list of Key Investors are experts in the cannabis industry, or those who even know the difference between marijuana and cannabis? Hint: none. Noting that cannabis is completely missing from the RO website. Strike two.
An alphabet soup of LLCs. Speaking of nondescript LLCs, check out ROs campaign finance report for 2014. Yikes! This filing on the Ohio Secretary of States website contains entries for 19 contributions, ranging from $3,200 to $250,000. Twelve of the filings are for numbered LLCs such as 76826776 LLC that simultaneously displays (OHIOVEN LLC) next to it. This number corresponds to entries in Edgar on the website of the Securities and Exchange Commission. The sites Form D, Notice of Exempt Offering of Securities, shows that 76826776 LLCs date of first sale for its Equity Offering was 10/24/14, with a minimum $4,000,000 investment, all of which appears to have all been sold. The entry lists Christopher Stock, Ian James and James Gould as the Related Persons. Its little wonder that four members of Ohios Executive Branch panned RO as stupid and offensive. Follow the money? Hardly, in this auditors shell game nightmare. Strike three.
It would be nice if three strikes meant out, but with RO's $1.7 million bank account, it is certain that they will bulldoze their way to the ballot. All the while, knowing much of anything about them will likely have to come from reading tea leaves aka internet searches since any view into the inner workings under their corporate veil will only result from subpoenas, investigations, hearings, lawsuits and judgments, all of which will no doubt plague them long into their controversial trek to the ballot and beyond. What a way to begin this vibrant new industry in Ohio! If ROs three-strike launch is any indication, they will force Ohio down its usual backward path of social change: one step forward, two steps back.
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Ohio does not want this at ALL. This is what the government did in Canada took away the caregiver grow your own program and forced you to buy from the Walmart company's at $15 a gram plus tax when $10 and less is the compassion clubs price. Some even as low as $5 across the board for meds.
We are in court right now trying to get our gardens back in BC court as I type this. Should have the chose to grow your own or go to these walmart stores for weed if you want but to be forced to only buy the government stuff is crazy and to take away something you allowed for years then April 1 get told you better prove you stopped growing or police will be notified.
Ohio doesn't want this. Just say NO it's not a good legalization
We are in court right now trying to get our gardens back in BC court as I type this. Should have the chose to grow your own or go to these walmart stores for weed if you want but to be forced to only buy the government stuff is crazy and to take away something you allowed for years then April 1 get told you better prove you stopped growing or police will be notified.
Ohio doesn't want this. Just say NO it's not a good legalization
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From Cleveland.com
http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2015/03/36_million_raised_for_ohio_mar.html
COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Investors have raised at least $36 million to fund ResponsibleOhio's plan to legalize marijuana and purchase the commercial growing sites promised to investor groups.
Investors contributed $4 million to each of nine limited liability corporations tied to ResponsibleOhio last year, according to securities offering filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. ResponsibleOhio officials have said they expect to spend more than $20 million to get their constitutional amendment on the statewide ballot and passed by a majority of voters in November.
marijuana plants
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Several proposals are in the works to legalize marijuana in Ohio. Check here for an update on the status of those efforts.
ResponsibleOhio's proposed constitutional amendment would establish a legal marijuana industry fueled solely by marijuana grown at 10 sites, which would be owned and operated by investor groups. The organization has revealed a dozen investors including basketball all-star Oscar Robertson, former Browns player Frostee Rucker and fashion designer Nanette Lepore, a Youngstown native, and has promised to reveal more in the coming months.
Ten state-registered limited liability corporations had contributed $1.7 million to ResponsibleOhio's political action committee before the end of January, according to a campaign finance filing with the Ohio secretary of state. The group had spent $1.3 million at that point, mostly on political consulting from The Strategy Network, run by ResponsibleOhio Executive Director Ian James, and attorneys.
Funneling campaign contributions through LLCs isn't illegal, but it adds another layer of mystery to a plan criticized for its secrecy.
"The almost complete lack of transparency that we've seen from this group makes it hard to comment intelligently on whatever they're trying to accomplish here," Jon Allison of Drug Free Action Alliance said. "When they could come out and explain to the public exactly what they intend to do with these proposed sites and who's going to be involved, they choose instead not to do that."
Nine of those 10 LLCs filed securities offerings with the SEC in November, each listing $4 million investments for a total of $36 million. The filings list James, public policy consultant Chris Stock and investor James Gould as promoters.
ResponsibleOhio estimates the industry would reach $2 billion by the fourth year of operations, with $554 million in annual tax revenue for local governments, marijuana research and drug treatment by the fourth year of operation. Spokesperson Lydia Bolander said changes reducing the tax paid by retail customers from 15 to 5 percent lowers the effective tax rate from between 30 and 35 percent to 22 percent -- lower than the effective rates on recreational marijuana in Colorado and Washington state.
Alan Mooney, a Columbus-area investor named by the group in January, touted the benefits of the industry in an online video that has since been removed from his website, the Dayton Daily News reported.
In the video, Mooney pitched legal marijuana to possible investors a "green rush" with business opportunities "beyond your imagination."
"Let's hop on this tsunami of money and ride the top of that wave to some enrichment for us," he said.
Mooney told the Daily News he supported legalization in part because of his time serving as a prison minister, saying enforcing marijuana laws are "costly and unjust."
Bolander told Northeast Ohio Media Group the organization is very disappointed with Mooney's video.
"Its content was not approved by the campaign, and it is not representative of the numerous other responsible investors who are working to increase safety, create jobs and offer adults the freedom to access marijuana for medical and personal use," Bolander said. "The state is currently spending $120 million a year to enforce failed marijuana prohibition and we don't think there's any reason to wait in coming up with an alternative."
ResponsibleOhio's first proposed amendment was rejected by Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine for at least two parts of the summary not reflecting the full text of the amendment. The group on Tuesday resubmitted language revised per DeWine's suggestions and also to allow Ohioans to possess up to four flowering marijuana plants for personal use.
If approved by DeWine and deemed one issue by the Ohio Ballot Board, ResponsibleOhio must then collect more than 305,591 signatures of Ohio voters by July 1 to put the issue on the November ballot.
http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2015/03/36_million_raised_for_ohio_mar.html
COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Investors have raised at least $36 million to fund ResponsibleOhio's plan to legalize marijuana and purchase the commercial growing sites promised to investor groups.
Investors contributed $4 million to each of nine limited liability corporations tied to ResponsibleOhio last year, according to securities offering filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. ResponsibleOhio officials have said they expect to spend more than $20 million to get their constitutional amendment on the statewide ballot and passed by a majority of voters in November.
marijuana plants
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Several proposals are in the works to legalize marijuana in Ohio. Check here for an update on the status of those efforts.
ResponsibleOhio's proposed constitutional amendment would establish a legal marijuana industry fueled solely by marijuana grown at 10 sites, which would be owned and operated by investor groups. The organization has revealed a dozen investors including basketball all-star Oscar Robertson, former Browns player Frostee Rucker and fashion designer Nanette Lepore, a Youngstown native, and has promised to reveal more in the coming months.
Ten state-registered limited liability corporations had contributed $1.7 million to ResponsibleOhio's political action committee before the end of January, according to a campaign finance filing with the Ohio secretary of state. The group had spent $1.3 million at that point, mostly on political consulting from The Strategy Network, run by ResponsibleOhio Executive Director Ian James, and attorneys.
Funneling campaign contributions through LLCs isn't illegal, but it adds another layer of mystery to a plan criticized for its secrecy.
"The almost complete lack of transparency that we've seen from this group makes it hard to comment intelligently on whatever they're trying to accomplish here," Jon Allison of Drug Free Action Alliance said. "When they could come out and explain to the public exactly what they intend to do with these proposed sites and who's going to be involved, they choose instead not to do that."
Nine of those 10 LLCs filed securities offerings with the SEC in November, each listing $4 million investments for a total of $36 million. The filings list James, public policy consultant Chris Stock and investor James Gould as promoters.
ResponsibleOhio estimates the industry would reach $2 billion by the fourth year of operations, with $554 million in annual tax revenue for local governments, marijuana research and drug treatment by the fourth year of operation. Spokesperson Lydia Bolander said changes reducing the tax paid by retail customers from 15 to 5 percent lowers the effective tax rate from between 30 and 35 percent to 22 percent -- lower than the effective rates on recreational marijuana in Colorado and Washington state.
Alan Mooney, a Columbus-area investor named by the group in January, touted the benefits of the industry in an online video that has since been removed from his website, the Dayton Daily News reported.
In the video, Mooney pitched legal marijuana to possible investors a "green rush" with business opportunities "beyond your imagination."
"Let's hop on this tsunami of money and ride the top of that wave to some enrichment for us," he said.
Mooney told the Daily News he supported legalization in part because of his time serving as a prison minister, saying enforcing marijuana laws are "costly and unjust."
Bolander told Northeast Ohio Media Group the organization is very disappointed with Mooney's video.
"Its content was not approved by the campaign, and it is not representative of the numerous other responsible investors who are working to increase safety, create jobs and offer adults the freedom to access marijuana for medical and personal use," Bolander said. "The state is currently spending $120 million a year to enforce failed marijuana prohibition and we don't think there's any reason to wait in coming up with an alternative."
ResponsibleOhio's first proposed amendment was rejected by Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine for at least two parts of the summary not reflecting the full text of the amendment. The group on Tuesday resubmitted language revised per DeWine's suggestions and also to allow Ohioans to possess up to four flowering marijuana plants for personal use.
If approved by DeWine and deemed one issue by the Ohio Ballot Board, ResponsibleOhio must then collect more than 305,591 signatures of Ohio voters by July 1 to put the issue on the November ballot.
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Cleveland native Drew Carey has decided hes not sure if he likes Responsible Ohios take on the recent marijuana legalization discussions.
http://cincinnati.suntimes.com/cin-news/7/102/124394/ohio-comedian-
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The Responsible Ohio petition was certified by Dewine's office a few minutes ago. It should be on the web site soon.
So, you have 2 petitions that are certified. Who will get 305k VALID signatures by July 1st? Responsible Ohio (Open to all 21 and over) or Ohio Rights Group (medical only).
Anyone want to bet? LOL
So, you have 2 petitions that are certified. Who will get 305k VALID signatures by July 1st? Responsible Ohio (Open to all 21 and over) or Ohio Rights Group (medical only).
Anyone want to bet? LOL
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I know I won't be affected either way.
Ohio is my home state, and I want what's best for her. What's best for the people who live there is the fairest access possible. If this is the fairest they get, then so be it, at least they'll be able to get it without fear.
But, that being said, working towards something that's even better for those same people is a good thing too.
Ohio is my home state, and I want what's best for her. What's best for the people who live there is the fairest access possible. If this is the fairest they get, then so be it, at least they'll be able to get it without fear.
But, that being said, working towards something that's even better for those same people is a good thing too.
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I agree... it's all good. If you want to help your favorite group, they need MONEY. It will cost well over a million dollars to gather the votes needed to get an amendment on the ballet.
RO has already announced a bunch of fundraising lunches and dinners. ORG, is well on their way to the 305k signatures because they started collecting last year when they got certified by Dewine and those signatures are "evergreen" so they don't expire and they can carry over to this year's needs.
I love the wording in the ORG petition for the allowed amount. "... in amounts sufficient to meet their therapeutic needs and alleviate their suffering".
OK, I need 3 tons for my illness. LOL So much for 40 gram possession limits. LMAO
RO has already announced a bunch of fundraising lunches and dinners. ORG, is well on their way to the 305k signatures because they started collecting last year when they got certified by Dewine and those signatures are "evergreen" so they don't expire and they can carry over to this year's needs.
I love the wording in the ORG petition for the allowed amount. "... in amounts sufficient to meet their therapeutic needs and alleviate their suffering".
OK, I need 3 tons for my illness. LOL So much for 40 gram possession limits. LMAO
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Posted: 03/23/2015, 12:27pm | Zach Gase, Digital Editor at Sun Times Network
http://columbus.suntimes.com/cbus-n...ent/7/98/124322/ohio-marijuana-legalization-2
I found this, umm well...
Probably a little too "FREE for ALL!!" to get passed
They (Ohio) get a chance to move forward and instead of a controlled, rational step they try for a HUGE leap with HUGE PROFIT or huge FREEDOM and in the end just confuse and frustrate the average voter which will get nothing passed/accomplished.
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Yeah, having more than one issue is messing everything up. And, it's very confusing for the average voter because they all have names that are so similar. NORML got them together to try to reach a common goal but it turned into a screaming match with each group unwilling to move (especially RO).
Two other petitions had all these same approvals in 2011 and another one in 2013 (from different groups). They simply do not have the money required to collect the signatures they need to get on the ballot. And, they never will.
Responsible Ohio has the money and the political influence to get this pushed through. If Ohio waits for those other initiatives, it will never be legal until the feds drop it all. It's all about the money and RO is the ONLY one who has the money to make this happen. Sad, but true.
RO has spent over 2 mil so far and they will spend another 2 mil collecting sigs between now and July. Plus, all the ads and TV promo, albeit, most of that is free as a benefit of the political pull this group has. The other groups don't even have a mil collected after 3 years.
Another sad thing for Ohio to look forward to is the national blasting and flaming of having the first "Cannabis WalMart Store". My guess is, that's what they'll call it. I have seen the plans for one of the stores, already. It's almost 12,000 square feet of retail space. Room for all the cannabis and over 10,000 different smoking pipes, vapes, this and that. It will be the first Cannabis "Big Box" Store. And, because of that, everyone will hate them just like they do WalMart.
So, it should be fun to watch, anyway. LOL
Two other petitions had all these same approvals in 2011 and another one in 2013 (from different groups). They simply do not have the money required to collect the signatures they need to get on the ballot. And, they never will.
Responsible Ohio has the money and the political influence to get this pushed through. If Ohio waits for those other initiatives, it will never be legal until the feds drop it all. It's all about the money and RO is the ONLY one who has the money to make this happen. Sad, but true.
RO has spent over 2 mil so far and they will spend another 2 mil collecting sigs between now and July. Plus, all the ads and TV promo, albeit, most of that is free as a benefit of the political pull this group has. The other groups don't even have a mil collected after 3 years.
Another sad thing for Ohio to look forward to is the national blasting and flaming of having the first "Cannabis WalMart Store". My guess is, that's what they'll call it. I have seen the plans for one of the stores, already. It's almost 12,000 square feet of retail space. Room for all the cannabis and over 10,000 different smoking pipes, vapes, this and that. It will be the first Cannabis "Big Box" Store. And, because of that, everyone will hate them just like they do WalMart.
So, it should be fun to watch, anyway. LOL
I live here. its NOT fun right now. what with the 2 groups with similar names is confusing anyone that's not paing attention. most of my friends are all excited cause if this passes in November weeds gonna be legal and they can grow 99 plants and sell them and make a bunch of money, yadayada.
I then spend the next many many minutes explaining the 2 groups, which is doing what, what that will mean to us, ext. ext. then its like, you have a pc at home and a smart phone that's web capable. start researching so youll have the facts.
they both have there flaws. 1 is gonna be a legal black market of sorts and the other is way to leanyet(?) RO will likely pass then people are gonna get all pissed off cause they were to stupid and didn't get informed on anything, just like when gambling came to ohio. I voted that down and watch everyone get sucker punched in the groin after they voted for it then found out the truth that was is plain sight. they just didn't wanna be bothered with reading and they didn't have it on tape or CD to listen to in the car.
like any scumbag politition RO is only pushing what ppl want to hear to get this passed. ys I agree with many that 4 plants is ok, but how many ppl grow plants that only produce 1 ounce? sure. go ahead and put the excess in your drawers or locker. guess what? its in your house so is in you posesion and if they know your growing they know you have to much. and if you don't then your giving or selling it. busted!!!
I then spend the next many many minutes explaining the 2 groups, which is doing what, what that will mean to us, ext. ext. then its like, you have a pc at home and a smart phone that's web capable. start researching so youll have the facts.
they both have there flaws. 1 is gonna be a legal black market of sorts and the other is way to leanyet(?) RO will likely pass then people are gonna get all pissed off cause they were to stupid and didn't get informed on anything, just like when gambling came to ohio. I voted that down and watch everyone get sucker punched in the groin after they voted for it then found out the truth that was is plain sight. they just didn't wanna be bothered with reading and they didn't have it on tape or CD to listen to in the car.
like any scumbag politition RO is only pushing what ppl want to hear to get this passed. ys I agree with many that 4 plants is ok, but how many ppl grow plants that only produce 1 ounce? sure. go ahead and put the excess in your drawers or locker. guess what? its in your house so is in you posesion and if they know your growing they know you have to much. and if you don't then your giving or selling it. busted!!!
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I have a friend in Ohio who has an in with them. He was big when the state converted from state owned liquor stores to private owners. In his mind, he would like to own all 1100 retail locations. LOL Not a bad idea, actually. I get some info from him now and then. I am trying to help him get set up and rolling (no pun intended).
The store is awesome. Everything from grow lights and hydro setups to pipes, papers, vapes..... anything and everything...... including the cannabis. LOL
I laid out the floor plan with 50 rooms along the outside wall, each 8x8, all equipped and ready to grow. But, not for him. I told him to rent the rooms out to people who can't (for one of many many reasons) grow at home. They buy or rent everything they need (including the space). We will even rent them a bud trimmer and drying racks when they harvest. No more hiding from the wife. Or, hiding from the landlord. No more odor problems. I think it's a winner. Not 100% sure how it will fit into the details of the law when it's final. But, it's an idea.
I'll be in Ohio this Summer to take care of some personal business but I don't think I'll be there in November to see the final party. Like I said, should be fun to watch. Leave it to Ohio to do it differently than everyone else. LOL
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That's a major problem in the country in so many ways. You HAVE to read to survive. All you'll have without reading is existence in someone else's world.
The issues in Ohio are very confusing right now. Like you said, very few people I have talked to have any clue what's going on.
What's really sad is that these petitions are only a few pages long. Who can't take a moment to read a few pages to understand the issues. When I got busted for hacking, I read the entire 2006 pages of the DMCA to try to find an out. LOL
Gotta read, gotta read, gotta read. I can't tell people enough times.
/rant off
