The Optic slims have a crazy amount of red and blue for vegging and flowering. Not to into the programmable thing, sunset, sunrise, iv got all the time in the world, which can be a problem with tinkering, lol !I agree on the DWC, which is why I’m seeking it. I’ve got water and wastewater experience, so the lab isn’t out of my abilities. I’ve watched many videos, and comparisons with mars, and still find it iffy, and for the price, not as adjustable as others near the price range. That’s why the Optic slim’s and Photontek new one, or even HLG scorpion, though I know the least about the HGL company other than it’s USA.