Elvens 1st grow ever Master Kush Clones

[TURKEYNECK]

they look a bit hungry to me.. nice roots, but they're skinny! I'd use the fluros for abit and get 'em green again, especially if you want clones, save your hps for the clones goodluck Elv..

 

[BuddyLuv]

Save one for a mother and put the others in your hydro unit and flower em. Tie the down for the first week of flower and then cut them loose. It will bush them out for you.

 

[Elven]

Well I killed them again , but I know that I have figured out the cause this time. The screwed up thing is "Its not entirely my fault." I know that sounds like a load of crap, but check this out. we are going to do a logic walk through all the things I have done and the outcome.

1. I start my first clones. Due to water problems I add the sprayers, I lost one from dryness but the other two not only survived they began to grow some new growth. I was happy. Now here is where my mistake came in. when I changed my water the first time after this I picked up the rest of the nutes that I was missing see week 1 update post Along with these new nutes I was given a brand new just delivered feeding schedule from Humboldt Nutrients, and that is what I have been using to feed my babies.

2. Starting two days later I began to see my ladies droop, After following advice they die

3. Fearing that my problem was PH I purchase a digital PH pen that confirms that my PH isnt off enough to kill plants in a few days, And I purchase 4 new clones see this post.

4. I setup my new girls under my HPS the next morning there is some burn but not tons. I turn over to my T8's but things keep getting worse. I get depressed.

5. I stop updating my grow because I feel like I have wasted tons of money.

6. This morning at 2AM I wake up and figure out what my problem is. Wanna know ?????
View attachment HN_masterAB_sched.pdf
Here is the Light feeding schedule.

View attachment HN_masterAB_moderate.pdf
Here is the Moderate one


And the one I was given.

Notice the difference, the one I was using has a misprint that shows NOT TO USE THE FRICKEN MAIN PRODUCT DURING VEG GROWTH!!! No fricken wonder it didnt work. :holysheep: . Well I am pissed at the amount of Money and time that were wasted on this, but I know that I can fix it now so look forward to another try this weekend if I can afford to get more clones.

 

[Elven]

Well I called Humboldt Nutrients, I told them what happened and they were cool about it. They are hooking me up with some credit at my local store to replace the nutes I wasted. I am also trying to bring back the four that I purchased, we will see if it works. They look bad, but lets give it that college try.

EDIT: the way that Humboldt had it written up apparently works AWESOME with really strong and heavy feeder plants. it just isn't great for the AVERAGE plant. So that is why they changed it.

 

[leafminer]

Those things in the pics??
They are bleached out, stretched to hell, far too young to even think of flowering. You need to get them under the HPS, start at 2m height, give them some nutes, not too strong. When they show proper color repot and LST them, then after a few weeks more you might think of putting them into the flower cycle.

 

[megan23247]

Dang dude I cant believe you had to go thru all that to find out it wasnt even your screw up! Atleast their gonna take care of it some what, but man what about all your hard work! lol.

 

[someguy]

ahhh bummer on the plants man. youve put enough time, effort & money into your setup, it will pay off fo sho brrooooooo

 

[Elven]

OK This time for sure since I know what was wrong . I am now growing purple Kush and while the color is better in these pics the focus inst tons better. I have started them on week one nute schedule of 400 PPM with a PH of 5.8, I will update often. Also I put up some inspiration. I am waiting for Megan to take her pics with that flag before I finish up.


Plant 1


Plant 2


Plant 3


Plant 4

 

[occg.hydro]

lookin good bro, can't wait to see how they come along!

 

[Elven]

Thanks for stopping by everyone. This time you will not be disappointed I dont think. Here is a quick pick of the root growth on one of my new babies and its only been home for 48 hours now


I hope to show alot more growth over the next few weeks.

I feel so much better now. I was starting to think I was crazy.

 

[Elven]

OK I added some IR block to keep the res temp lower when I start using the HPS. Just a few pics,





Now really simple question but I want to make sure I am doing everything right. When I check my PH do I also adjust PPM down with extra water? How close should I keep it to the original PPM? Thanks guys

 

[Elven]

OK here is my week one update. I have decided to name them now so I will introduce you to my new starting lineup.

OK formally known as plant one. I now give you


SARAH JANE SMITH

Shedding the name of Plant 2 and taking on her new name


ROSE TYLER

Plant 3's new name is to help her with the tad bit of (heat burn?) that she seems to have. I gave her the name of the strongest.


MARTHA JONES

And now last but not least, do you see the pattern yet?


DONNA NOBLE

 

[Elven]

OK so here is my update for week two, Since I was having a problem with the PH going up I decided to be much more precise about my note taking. So here is the breakdown of my PH and PPM so far since Saturday.
Date Time Additive Ammount PPM PH Notes
11/29/2008 10:30 AM Water 10 Gallons 2 5.4 Started with 10 gallons of filter water
Master A 40ml 221 5.8
Master B 40ml 383 5.7
Verde 20ml 416 6.3
Mayan MicroZyme 20ml 428 6.1
Kynin (Sea Cal) 20ml 460 6.6
FlavorFul 20ml 512 6
Hum-Bolt 20ml 522 6.2
PryZyme 50ml 527 6.1
Humboldt Roots 20ml 530 6.1

11/29/2008 11:30 AM 533 6
11/29/2008 1:00 PM 544 6.3
11/29/2008 5:30 PM 544 6.8
11/29/2008 5:30 PM PH Down 15ml
11/29/2008 6:30 PM 558 5.7
11/30/2008 8:00 AM 609 7.5
11/30/2008 8:00 AM PH Down 15ml
11/30/2008 10:30 AM 654 7.1
11/30/2008 10:30 AM PH Down 15ml
11/30/2008 2:00 PM 702 6.8
11/30/2008 2:00 PM PH Down 30ml
11/30/2008 8:00 PM 771 6
12/1/2008 7:00 AM 814 6.7
12/1/2008 7:00 AM PH Down 10ml


So I am still getting a rise in the PH, I am working with the nute company to see if what I may be doing wrong. The good news is that besides a few leaves on Rose I was able to catch the PH before it caused any problems and the girls are looking good. Another little thing that I snagged is that apparently the T8 bulbs that I have in my hoods were not great for veg so I got one new one and have 3 more on the way, man this is going to be a huge difference. Should be here in a few days, I cant wait!!! OK now onto the pics


Sarah is looking good dont you think


Rose had a small issue with PH drift issues I believe, but her new foliage is looking much better. Will the damaged leaves repair themselves?


Martha has a few leaves that burned abit but again totally good new foliage.


Donna looks nice as well.

So is there anything that I am missing? I am hoping that with the new bulbs (btw I got 6500 kelvin aquarium bulbs) I will see the growth that all my buddies seem to get Thanks again to everyone who checks these out and gives me such great advice. I hope to have some great Bud Pr0n for you guys in a few months. Also one last thing for everyone who cares (prob all of one of you) here is a pic that helps substantiate at least the Jedi part of my tag line, I am still working on earning the 420 part.


Here is my protection

 

[Elven]

I got my new bulbs! so now I should see some great growth!!

 

[Elven]

Well I will take the TOTAL SILENCE that I received over the last week as one of three possibility's.

1. I am doing everything 100% totally right there is absolutely nothing that I could be doing better. (although I wish this was right, I doubt it)

2. EVERYONE is over me I am doing things wrong, and you are all laughing at me.

3. I am the only person left in the world, my entire life is a psychotic manifestation to hide from myself the fact that the world has ended.

I am sure that there are some other possible explanations, but I smoke alot of pot and not sure which way is up.

Well for all of you phantoms out there here is another update. Well as posted above I got my new grow lights and WOW did they ever help. Here is the TDS PH journal. I have just started instituting a Res temp check, it was getting HOT.

12/1/2008 1:12 PM 848 6.7
1:12 PM PH Down 10ml
5:00 PM 861 6.6
5:00 PM PH Down 15ml
6:00 PM 885 6.2
6:00 PM PH Down 10ml
12/2/2008 7:30 AM 950 6.3
6:30 PM 1000 6.5
12/3/2008 8:00 AM 1000 6.6
8:00 AM PH Down 15ml
5:00 PM 1000 6.5
12/4/2008 6:00 AM 1070 6.6
6:00 AM PH Down 20ml
11:00 AM 1130 6.2
7:00 PM 1160 6.3
7:00 PM PH Down 20ml
12/5/2008 6:00 AM 1200 6
12:30 PM 1190 6
7:00 PM 1240 6.1
12/6/2008 6:30 AM 1250 6.1
WEEK 3 Water Change
12/6/2008 2:00 PM 10 Gallons Water 3 7.1
Master A 50ml 231 7
Master B 50ml 460 6.5
Verde 20ml 511 6.5
Mayan MicroZyme 20ml 514 6.5
Kynin (Sea Cal) 20ml 518 6.7
FlavorFul 20ml 519 6.6
Hum-Bolt 20ml 571 6.4
PryZyme 50ml 612 6.3
Humboldt Roots 20ml 614 6.2
Mycor 12g 623 5.6
12/7/2008 7:30 AM 702 7.6
7:30 AM PH Down 30ml
7:30 AM 753 6.4 89.6 Added 4 frozen water bottles to Res
7:30 AM PH Down 15ml
9:30 AM 812 6.7 82.4 Added 1 Gallon frozen water to Res
9:30 AM PH Down 20ml


and now for the Pics, just some quick notes: some of my roots are a bit dark, none of the new growth. but I thought it was stained by the nute water. Also one of my plants have some freaky leaves only three prongs. Please let me know if there is anything I can do on either case.

Edit: due to problems with my pics I will be taking them down. I will update new ones this week.
One of the plants have a few of these. Does this mean I stressed it? or is it just a wierd genetic thing?

 

[TURKEYNECK]

Not sure about fogponics man, but those roots don't look too good and the plants are obviously responding to it.. They're certainly "leggy" How close are your lights and what is your feeding schedule?

 

[Elven]

Not sure about fogponics man, but those roots don't look too good and the plants are obviously responding to it.. They're certainly "leggy" How close are your lights and what is your feeding schedule?

The color seems to be from my high res temp. I have taken to using gallons of frozen water to keep it lower. What do you mean by leggy? the plants? remember they are clones so they start off with no nodes on the lower half.

 

[TURKEYNECK]

The color seems to be from my high res temp. I have taken to using gallons of frozen water to keep it lower. What do you mean by leggy? the plants? remember they are clones so they start off with no nodes on the lower half.

yeah, If it were me I would have buried some of that stem in the hydroton, frozen water? as in.. Ice? in your res? that cant be good...

 

[Elven]

yeah, If it were me I would have buried some of that stem in the hydroton, frozen water? as in.. Ice? in your res? that cant be good...

I have containers that hold a gallon of water that are frozen and then I keep switching them out. In my area we have a high ambient temp. its still in the 80s if I dont keep my res cool the temps go up WAY above 80 if I let it. With this I can keep it at about 65 or so. Does the ice cause a problem? As for the clones I purchased them so thats just how they sit in the system that I had. One of them will become a mother so that one will get moved to a larger pot.

 

[mendo local]

Looks like your on the right path. Ill keep my eye on this one!