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Obama care ?-- Don't have it !--- Don't know nothing about it !--- Is Trump the opposite of Obama and is Obama the opposite of what Bush was ? --- That's not for me to say !----I have a prejudice !----I was there for the aftermath of Katrina !-- Heck of a job Brownie ?--- Then as a veteran that farce on the aircraft carrier with the big banner saying " Mission Accomplished "---Made me sick !!!---
So I guess those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it ?
 
Hopper I agree totally with U that health care in general needs to be fixed !--- 20 years in the E.R. and O.R. !-- I don't even know where a fix would begin !-- What happened was people without insurance know that they can't afford insurance or doctor bills get thier health care in the emergency room because they know they can't be turned away !--- The hospitals try to recover some of that cost by raising the rates they charge the insurance companies for the insured !--- Back when in my day there was a big stink about something called patient dumping !----Patching an uninsured patient up a transferring them else where as soon as possible !--- They'll deny it !--but if an uninsured patient shows up in the E.R. with a heart attack happening they received a different medication than the insured !-- It was very expensive and U can't be just giving it to anyone !-- And $$$ be thy name !
 
watch the pics hammy......... you libel to get a yellow card.lol


BTW
SURPRISE! Socialist Bernie Sanders’ Free-College Plan Would Help Rich People Most, Study Says
The proposal by self-proclaimed socialist Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders to make tuition free at America’s public colleges and universities would provide almost $17 billion in free handouts to already-comfortable American families in the upper half of income distribution. Meanwhile, Bernie’s plan would cause just $13.5 billion to trickle down to families in America’s poor half — the ones who would have considerably more trouble covering room, board, textbooks, travel and other non-tuition costs.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/24/s...lp-rich-people-most-study-says/#ixzz46qB0i1CO


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/24/s...lp-rich-people-most-study-says/#ixzz46qAaUTN4
 
So hilary is a republican pretending to be a democrate and Trump is a democrate pretending to be a racist pig, oops i mean republican.
 
Bernie Sanders Just Doesn't Seem To Understand What Poverty Really Is

Bernie Sanders has been campaigning in Maryland, in Baltimore, and some of his remarks indicate that he doesn’t really understand what poverty is. He’s getting very mixed up indeed between relative poverty and absolute poverty. Now, it is indeed true that American liberals and progressives get uptight about relative poverty, what we might also call inequality. And that I don’t get quite so wound up about it, being a classical liberal myself. But it is still true that they are very different concepts, these relative and absolute poverties. Absolute poverty is simply not having a roof over your head, a shirt on your back or even a cheap meal of anything in your stomach. The relative poverty in Baltimore that Bernie is talking about is just not anything like this at all. It’s having less than others in the society around you, yes, but that is indeed inequality, not absolute poverty.

Of course, some of what Sanders is saying is just standard stump politics:

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“It’s important to show the world that in the United States of America, in Freddie Gray’s neighborhood and in similar neighborhoods all over this country, what we’re seeing is a disaster,” he said.

Sanders made it clear he wants to curb high crime rates and improve education in the city.

“We need to invest in those communities, put people to work in those communities,” he said.

Even Donald Trump wouldn’t be able to get away with a “We’re not investing here, Hahahahaha”. So “investing in communities” is about as controversial as praising Mom’s apple pie. However, Bernie really does go wrong here:

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Bernie Sanders showed no signs of “toning down” his rhetoric Saturday, speaking to Maryland voters at the Royal Farms Arena in Baltimore about the state of the U.S. economy in 2016.

Sanders said that poverty in the worst areas of Baltimore rivaled conditions in “The West Bank in Palestine,” “North Korea,” and “distressed cities in Nigeria, India, China, and South Africa.”





No, really, just no. GDP per capita at Purchasing Power Parity (that is, after we adjust for price differences across places) is some $2,900 or so in the West Bank. That is, the absolute maximum value of everyone’s average income (for GDP is indeed all incomes of everyone, by definition) is $55 a week. The people of Baltimore are not living on that sum, not at all. Even if you have no work at all, no income from work at all, you will be gaining more than that from food stamps and so on. In fact, absent serious mental or addiction problems, I seriously doubt whether there’s anyone at all in the US living on that sort of sum. No, we cannot just count cash income here: we mean all sources of things that can be consumed. So whatever help people get with housing, health care, pensions, unemployment, food stamps and everything. That sort of absolute poverty simply doesn’t exist in the US and it’s wrong to insist that it does.

However, to my mind this actually gets worse:

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“In this country we going to make profound economic changes,” he said. “The people on top will not continue to accumulate billions of dollars in personal wealth while children in Baltimore and inner cities in this country go hungry, and have inadequate healthcare and education.”
It’s that comment about education that really grates. For Baltimore spends rather a lot on the education of the children of the city:

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Wallace said that Baltimore ranks third in per capita school spending.

That’s only true if you look at the 100 largest school districts. Among the top 500, Baltimore ranks 20th. Among school districts with at least 5,000 students, Baltimore ranks 160th in spending.

Leave aside the rank for a moment and look at the actual sum: $15,000 and change per pupil per year. That is, Baltimore spends more per pupil than the GDP per capita of those countries mentioned, South Africa, Nigeria, India, China and the West Bank (and, obviously, North Korea). There really is therefore a large difference between this Sanders claim of equal poverty to those places and the reality. It simply is not true at all that Baltimore is as poor as those places.

But this is more than just statistical snarking: there’s a very important economic and public policy point to be made here. I’m perfectly willing to accept that perhaps the Baltimore school system isn’t the greatest in the world. I’m not happy that that is so but I’m willing to accept that evidence. Yet that Baltimore school system quite obviously has sufficient money to be able to provide a perfectly acceptable education. Figure 3.1 here, it’s actually some 50% more than Finland spends and Finland is said to have one of the very finest school systems in the world. And yes, again, those numbers are PPP adjusted so we are taking account of different prices across geography. Baltimore also spends a little more than 50% more than the average schools budget across all the rich nations. There’s no financial reason why the Baltimore schools shouldn’t be good, in fact no financial reason why they shouldn’t be very good indeed.
Which is the thing that grates so much about Bernie at times. In fact, something that rather grates about many progressives. Their insistence that it is the amount of money that matters: it isn’t, it’s how money is spent that does. Taxing richer people more to spend more on Baltimore’s schools isn’t going to do much good. Because Baltimore’s schools already get well above world average spending, above US average spending and apparently they’re still awful. That is Bernie’s complaint, after all, that the schools are no dang good, yes? Thus it’s not money that is the problem, is it? Not the quantity of it available that is: it’s how it’s being spent. I’d have a lot less problem with tax and spend policies if rather more attention were paid to how it was being spent, how efficiently.

And that is the public policy point to be considered here. There is no possible sum of tax money that would create a decent education system out of one being grievously mismanaged. We thus, once we’ve got reasonable amounts of money going into such a system, got to focus rather more on the efficiency with which it is being spent rather than just crying out for ever more cash to be shoveled into it. That is, Senator Sanders, could we have a little more thought about why Baltimore cannot produce at least a simulacrum of a reasonable education system on 50% more money per pupil than possibly the world’s best education system, that of Finland, requires? And when you’ve done that pondering then we can talk about budgets.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timwors...rstand-what-poverty-really-is/2/#5f6b28817162
 
What a horribly inaccurate article. Nice to be able to white wash millions of people living in poverty.
 
Bernie Sanders Sure Doesn't Know Much About Trade

Bernie Sanders sat down with the New York Daily News to talk about this and that and the part where he talks about trade is quite literally jaw dropping. Bernie seems to have no concept of how and why trade works at all. And in doing so he appears to almost entirely rule out trade with poorer countries: something of a problem as the way poorer countries get richer is by trading with us. And it’s certainly possible to claim to be working in the interests of the poor, as Bernie does, but it’s then most odd to go off and insist that the poor should remain poor as a consequence of our activities affecting the poor. Further, we know, absolutely, that trade does make the poor richer. Chinese manufacturing wages have risen from some $1,000 a year in 2000 to some $6,500 or so now. And China as a country has risen since 1978 from about how poor my native England was in 1600 to today, about how poor Britain was in 1950. That’s three and a half centuries of economic development packed into a few short decades: yup, trade sure does seem to benefit the poor.

Here’s then heart of what Sanders says which is so wrong:

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Daily News: Another one of your potential opponents has a very similar sounding answer to, or solution to, the trade situation — and that’s Donald Trump. He also says that, although he speaks with much more blunt language and says, and with few specifics, “Bad deals. Terrible deals. I’ll make them good deals.”

So in that sense I hear whispers of that same sentiment. How is your take on that issue different than his?

Sanders: Well, if he thinks they’re bad trade deals, I agree with him. They are bad trade deals. But we have some specificity and it isn’t just us going around denouncing bad trade. In other words, I do believe in trade. But it has to be based on principles that are fair. So if you are in Vietnam, where the minimum wage is 65¢ an hour, or you’re in Malaysia, where many of the workers are indentured servants because their passports are taken away when they come into this country and are working in slave-like conditions, no, I’m not going to have American workers “competing” against you under those conditions. So you have to have standards. And what fair trade means to say that it is fair. It is roughly equivalent to the wages and environmental standards in the United States.

We’re only going to have fair trade and fair trade is only with people who have about the same wages and environmental standards as the US. Which is to say, we’re going to just stop trading with the poor world altogether. (Note: An earlier version of this piece incorrectly attributed this paragraph to Bernie Sanders due to a formatting error.)

Which is, of course, absurd, for not only does trade with those poorer people benefit us it benefits those poorer people too. It’s their way out of being in that destitution of abject, absolute, poverty. I don’t for a moment believe that trade reduces the general standard of living in the US but even if it did I would still say that trade with the poor is a moral duty. Simply because if we do look around the world today the greatest of all economic injustices is that hundreds of millions are trying to live on less than $2 a day. Yes, $2 at today’s, full, American, retail prices: we really do mean walk into Walmart and try to house, feed, clothes, heat, provide health care and a pension, for one person out of that $2. But yes, that’s a moral argument, not an economic one, that perhaps the rich should be paying for increasing those living standards. The rich being, by the way, all of us lucky enough to have been born into the rich countries. That thing which is by far the biggest determinant of your economic fate in this life.



But Sanders’ position is worse than that. A poor place should have lower environmental standards than a rich place. This is the flip side of the environmental Kuznets Curve: as economic development starts then the environment gets worse. But as we all get richer then we’re willing to put more of our new found wealth to matters environmental. That flip side being that poor people aren’t going to worry about that environment, they’re going to worry about trying to make that second meal of the day. And they ought to be doing that too. California may be rich enough to protect the snail darter: Bangladesh isn’t.

However, it’s those similar wages which are the real problem. As Paul Krugman’s excellent essay has it:

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But this expectation is utterly disappointed. What is different, according to Goldsmith, is that there are all these countries out there that pay wages that are much lower than those in the West — and that, he claims, makes Ricardo’s idea invalid. That’s all there is to his argument; there is no hint of any more subtle content. In short, he offers us no more than the classic “pauper labor” fallacy, the fallacy that Ricardo dealt with when he first stated the idea, and which is a staple of even first-year courses in economics. In fact, one never teaches the Ricardian model without emphasizing precisely the way that model refutes the claim that competition from low-wage countries is necessarily a bad thing, that it shows how trade can be mutually beneficial regardless of differences in wage rates. The point is not that low-wage competition never poses a problem. Rather, what is significant is that despite ostentatiously citing Ricardo, Goldsmith completely misses one of the essential lessons of his argument.
Right from the beginning of our study of the advantages of trade we have known that “pauper labour” is not a problem. This next is not quite so true of the more recent decade and a half or so: there has been a (modest) change in the labour and capital shares of the economy (one which I argue elsewhere has been distinctly overstated but that’s another matter):

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“Many advocates of free trade claim that higher productivity growth in the United States will offset pressure on wages caused by the global sweatshop economy, but the appealing theory falls victim to an unpleasant fact. Productivity has been going up, without resulting wage gains for American workers. Between 1977 and 1992, the average productivity of American workers increased by more than 30 percent, while the average real wage fell by 13 percent. The logic is inescapable. No matter how much productivity increases, wages will fall if there is an abundance of workers competing for a scarcity of jobs — an abundance of the sort created by the globalization of the labor pool for US-based corporations.” (Lind 1994: )

What is so remarkable about this passage? It is certainly a very abrupt, confident rejection of the case for free trade; it is also noticeable that the passage could almost have come out of a campaign speech by Patrick Buchanan. But the really striking thing, if you are an economist with any familiarity with this area, is that when Lind writes about how the beautiful theory of free trade is refuted by an unpleasant fact, the fact he cites is completely untrue.
More specifically: the 30 percent productivity increase he cites was achieved only in the manufacturing sector; in the business sector as a whole the increase was only 13 percent. The 13 percent decline in real wages was true only for production workers, and ignores the increase in their benefits: total compensation of the average worker actually rose 2 percent. And even that remaining gap turns out to be a statistical quirk: it is entirely due to a difference in the price indexes used to deflate business output and consumption (probably reflecting overstatement of both productivity growth and consumer price inflation). When the same price index is used, the increases in productivity and compensation have been almost exactly equal. But then how could it be otherwise? Any difference in the rates of growth of productivity and compensation would necessarily show up as a fall in labor’s share of national income — and as everyone who is even slightly familiar with the numbers knows, the share of compensation in U.S. national income has been quite stable in recent decades, and actually rose slightly over the period Lind describes.

And finally, Sanders isn’t getting why those poor people in poor countries are getting low wages:

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Associated with this problem is the misunderstanding of what international trade should do to wage rates. It is a fact that some Bangladeshi apparel factories manage to achieve labor productivity close to half those of comparable installations in the United States, although overall Bangladeshi manufacturing productivity is probably only about 5 percent of the US level. Non-economists find it extremely disturbing and puzzling that wages in those productive factories are only 10 percent of US standards.

The reason that those workers get low wages is because, in general, those workers are not very productive. It is thus not true to start arguing that American labour cannot compete against Vietnamese (say). Because what is important about the cost of labour is the price that must be paid in labour costs per unit of output. And more productive workers, which Americans are, will produce more in an hour than less productive ones, which Vietnamese are. It simply isn’t a head to head of $15 an hour against 65 cents an hour. It is, perhaps, $50 of output an hour as against $10 or output an hour. And that’s a battle that American workers can indeed win: as the 161 million who have jobs are proving each and every time they pick up a paycheck.

It really is worth reading that Krugman essay in full. Ricardo’s Difficult Idea. It’s a masterpiece of clear and intelligent writing on trade economics. It’s also from the 1990s and it entirely skewers the mistakes that Bernie Sanders is making about trade today in 2016. Someone might even want to suggest that Bernie himself should read it.





Our three major points being: poor countries should have lower environmental standards because they are poor. We’re not in a head to head battle of American wages against poor world ones because what matters is productivity. And the reason poor places are poor is because they have low productivity and that’s why higher cost labour can compete: because of higher productivity.

Our final, third point is a moral one being added by myself. Even if trade weren’t beneficial to Americans (it is) then free trade with those poorer places would still be the correct public policy. Because it makes those poorer people richer and that’s what economic policy should be directed to. For, to my mind at least, the biggest economic problem today is that there’s those hundreds of millions still stuck in the destitution of absolute, peasant, poverty. That we stand still for a bit, that rich world workers live on “only” $25,000, or $30,000 a year doesn’t bother me in the slightest if the effect of their doing so is that those living on $600 a year climb the ladder a bit to the bourgeois pleasures of three squares a day and a roof over their heads.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timwors...-doesnt-know-much-about-trade/2/#49236bd56e4f
 
I hope you don't expect to impress anyone with a brain by posting stuff from Forbes.com. Biased crap at best. It's moronic to say that Bernie Sanders doesn't know much about Trade. It's more than startling that you of all people would push this crap. NAFTA was a disaster for American Workers as will the TPP be as well.
 
G13 -- U give me a headache !-- Government is comprimise !-- For 8 years the Republican party has blocked almost all Congress's business!-- Thier comprise always hinged on ending Obama care !-- It seems the Republican party spent the last 8 years to bend Obama to thier will -- No comprise! --- The whole republican agent was to reverse any thing Obama did !--- Thier job is to negotiate the budget and pass laws !--- Surprised someone hasn't proposed a bill that would legalized weed and add an ammendment that eliminates Obama care !-- The Republicans try to use this to roll back any thing Obama accomplished! --The 3 areas of Congress -- The Judicial who decide if a law is legal -- 2 sections of Congress that between them pass bills then send them to the President who can sign them into law - veto them or do nothing and after a certain amount t of time they become law anyway !-- If the president vets a bill it goes back to Congress where if they can get a 2/3 majority they can over ride the president's veto !-- Until the Rebublican machine learns to negotiate then there will be no action from congress !-- The Republicans has refused anything less than stop Obama !-- No negotiating !-- Until that changes nothing will be done ! In my opinion the Tea Party has fractured the Republican party !--Even the RNC don't want Trump to be the candidate !-- They have to settle for Ted Cruz -- Ha!Ha! Because of that they have handed the next president to the democratic party !--- This is only an observation --I have no party affiliation !-- As a pot farmer to me it's like choosing who will put me in jail if they catch me !
 
I hope you don't expect to impress anyone with a brain by posting stuff from Forbes.com. Biased crap at best. It's moronic to say that Bernie Sanders doesn't know much about Trade. It's more than startling that you of all people would push this crap. NAFTA was a disaster for American Workers as will the TPP be as well.

not pushing anything other than Bernie doesn't know what he is talking about.........I can find hundreds of article from the last month explaining the same stuff...........expect things to get really tough on Bernie the "Socialist Democrat".

#neverbernie
 
here's some socialism to chew on......

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I can concede your statement that Bernie has been a senator for a long time but he has some deficiencies in policy and some very left ideas !
Look at the other candidates though !-- Ted is a first time senator -- How much can he know gov't ?
The RNC doesn't want Trump as thier rep. !-- Build a wall across Mexico and make the me,I can pay for it !
Does he think that the president is Iike a King ? -- The president's powers are limited !-- Congress has to approve most of his options or Can reverse them !-- Even threatening to run as a third party if not nominated on the first ballot !-- His brashness remind me of another similar Leader !-- Watch some of the old footage of Italy's Mussalini (?) -- Lots of the exaggerated movements and facial expression are uncanny ! --- Now to Hillary --U know that person who is last to be picked on a ballgame !--- She's not ideal but what U gonna do ? -- Some say she is just Obama's 3rd term !-- A few questions about the Obama's term !--- What was the national deficit and finacial trends when Obama took office ? -- Along with the unemoyment rate !-- The financial crisis and stabization of the economy has happened under his watch !
I'm not ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater !--- In closing --- Old White men don't rule politics anymore !-- It will take compromise which the Republican party refuses to do !-- Unless it involves a clause ending Obamacare !
 
Trump :smoke1:

By the way King Obama signed lots of excutive orders. Who needs congress,,,,Lol
No wall will be built by Trump or anybody else,,its all hipe. We need more drones and border agents.
 
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I guess it's a good thing Bernie Sanders is a Democratic Socialist and not a Socialist. Oh that's right you still have not figured out the difference.
 
I guess it's a good thing Bernie Sanders is a Democratic Socialist and not a Socialist. Oh that's right you still have not figured out the difference.



less government is always better.......... so both are bad no matter which definition you choose .......... don't need big brother making decisions as to what is best for me........... more govt control is not the answer to the problems in this country now............. to much govt is the problem now.......... BTW...... How's the deductible on health insurance working out for you the last couple of years?

And I surely can't see more govt helping the mj growers.............. unless you like red tape.... permits.... inspection.... taxes..... more inspection..... regulation..... and if they don't like ya they'll still get you...
 
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