Speakergrow, Nirvana PPP

[kebnekajse]

This time I will do better than last time, I hope. Got a clone from a friend, from a plant he got from me. The mother is in bloom as we speak and looking goooood! Hopefully mine will to.

setup:
old speaker 28-19-52 cm (wdh)
70w hps
pc fan outtake
no fan for circulation yet, christmas took my money...

temp day: 27-28,6 C (80.6-83.3 F)
temp night:around 20 C (68 F)
RH is low, like 30%. I have tried to fix it, but not managed.

The bulb and a thermometer is the only electric gadgets in the box, ballast is outside. In the picture you can't see the air intake or outtake, but they are there. outtake behind bolb and intake behind pot. Intake has gotten bigger since the picture was taken.

I grow in soil, not mixed with anything but drainage seems quite good. medium not muddy what so ever. Pot is about 2,6l.

pics from 18/12

 

[kebnekajse]

I try to do lst, but i am really clumbsy. I hurt my poor girl everytime i tie her down, so i guess it's more of a hst...

first picture is from 21/12. now the problem starts. new growth from first node was very, very light green. checked ph and it was low, 5,5-6. so i raised it by flushing. water was about 7 ( earlier it was a bit higher, is it common that ph drops in winter?).

It seemed to work fine, nothing got worse the next few days, and pale leaves were slowly looking better. next pic 25/12.

 

[kebnekajse]

first picture is from 29/12. checked ph when i watered, but it was pretty hard to determine what it was because the runoff was a bit dark from the soil. but i estimated it to be 6-6,5. my baby looked quite happy! but she had me fooled...

as the new year arrived, the **** really hit the fan. spots on two fan leaves and some other turning pale. checked ph and it was still 5,5-6. flushed and checked again. now it was 6,5-7. second and third pics are from 1/1.

my plant is not feeling well. i had the same symptoms with my last, plus two more clones that i got a week later than this one. today i thought that it could be some ofgassing from the plastic i use as lightproofing. i have used the same plastic (trashbags) in every place i have had plants in. so i replaced it with cardboard.

 

[4u2sm0ke]

Where are you getting your water from? and what is the PH of it? You are running to low on PH and the more you flush it the more you are drowning her..get some Disstilled water from store they come in gallon containers..the PH should be neutral..Let that soil dry completely and then water with diddtilled water and add TBL spoon black strap..Is your temps in light period still in 80's? :bolt::bong:

 

[kebnekajse]

my bad

 

[kebnekajse]

hi thanks for stopping by 4u2smoke!

is flushing a way of adjusting ph? i guess it gets a bit overwatered but i figured its cool as long as you dont do it to often.

water is from tap. it is neutral, perhaps just under 7, so it is fine. and where i live, distilled water come by the oz and is quite expensive. plus, last time i bought it ph was 5,5. really strange!

temps are a bit lower now, it peaks at about 81 but everytime i check it is about 79 (thermometer has high/low memory). and my other to clones in a different space had the same problem, and where they stood the temps were only about 77, so i dont think it is the heat.

black strap, thats molasses, right?

oh, i dont use nutes. didn't want to have to take to many things into consideration if something went wrong.

 

[pcduck]

hi thanks for stopping by 4u2smoke!

is flushing a way of adjusting ph? i guess it gets a bit overwatered ....

oh, i dont use nutes. didn't want to have to take to many things into consideration if something went wrong.

Maybe with all the flushing and being over watered she needs nutes. They are most likely washed away.

 

[kebnekajse]

i have some nutrition with npk 7-1-6. is it right for veg? i'm not gonna use it for another couple of waterings, but might after that if my girl still looks unhappy.

 

[pcduck]

That will work, but a more balanced npk would be better for veg.imo

 

[4u2sm0ke]

hi thanks for stopping by 4u2smoke!

is flushing a way of adjusting ph? i guess it gets a bit overwatered but i figured its cool as long as you dont do it to often.

water is from tap. it is neutral, perhaps just under 7, so it is fine. and where i live, distilled water come by the oz and is quite expensive. plus, last time i bought it ph was 5,5. really strange!

temps are a bit lower now, it peaks at about 81 but everytime i check it is about 79 (thermometer has high/low memory). and my other to clones in a different space had the same problem, and where they stood the temps were only about 77, so i dont think it is the heat.

black strap, thats molasses, right?

oh, i dont use nutes. didn't want to have to take to many things into consideration if something went wrong.

well..not sure where to start my friend...no nutes?..and a flush is needed when Ph is out of Ballance..but IMO the soil needs to dry completely..But if your PH is all over the charts..you will allways have troubles..just my thaughts..and yes black strap molasses..find it in the bakeing section at the grocery store..but if you are not will to spend some $$$$ on good nutes..then the $8 a bottle of BSM isnt going to be in your budget..The molasses is great in the soil for micro organisms..and helps remove salt build ups that cause nute lock. Hope this helps and I hope i didnt come accross as bashing..

 

[kebnekajse]

4u2smoke: no, you don't come across as bashing at all. i appriciate you being helpfull!

my ph was low from start. they make it around 5,5 to compensate the alcaline tapwater that people like me use. so, it hasn't really fluctuated a lot, i only raised it from about 5,7 to 6,7, give or take a little. hopefully it will be stable now. i will make sure i water with correct ph as well.

i will use some quality nutes once in bloom, but i figured i will learn more and be safer if i didn't mess around too much. and money is only a problem for 10 more days.

molasses seem like a really good thing, will get asap. it's cheap, i'm not that broke.

and of course i will let it dry out before watering again.

 

[BuddyLuv]

Eventually it will need nutes of some sort.

 

[mistisrising]

If you keep having the same trouble with ph, try what I do outside, and put some lime in the soil. This would be advice for the next grow since you would need to mix it with the soil. A tbs of lime per gallon of soil is all you need, and at least outside, it holds the ph steady.

 

[kebnekajse]

mistisrising: do you mean lime as in the fruit you put in drinks or as in limestone? i guess it's the last one... but i will try coco next time. only heard good things about it.

now it's time to update. i think there is some sort of nutrition missing from soil. my guess is N because of the yellowing leaves, there is one more you can't see because it is hidden under other leaves.

soil is still a bit moist from last flush, so i will not water for another two days i think. but then i will add my 7-1-6 npk nutes at 1/4 of recomended strenght. any oppinion about this would be appriciated.

well, at least she is still growing a bit!

 

[pcduck]

mistisrising: do you mean lime as in the fruit you put in drinks or as in limestone? i guess it's the last one...

You put Dolomite Lime in your soil.It works great:aok:


A person may want to learn many ways, but should learn one way correctly first.jmo

 

[kebnekajse]

well, yellowing of leaves spread quite rapidly. must have been due to lack of nutes. i cut of 4 leaves that were real bad.

then i decided to repot it. fresh soil must be good, plus i have never done it, so it's a good learning experience i guess. i got some ph-neutral soil from a friend, with no additional nutes mixed in. it was dry when i got it, so i made it a bit moist with 1/4 strength 7-1-6 nutes ph around 6,6. the roots looked very good to me, white with lots of small "hairs" on them. that's how they are supposed to look like, right?

i used the same pot as before, but didnt put in as much leca ( don't know what its called in english, the small rocklike things you use for drainage) in the bottom of the pot. it was about 1/3 of the pot from the begining, now i just have enough to cover the bottom plus a bit more. i carefully removed as much of the old soil as possible. then i put in what was left about 2/3 down in new soil. so i had a little hill where the stem comes up, but all roots are covered. this resulted in 3/4 extra litres of soil for roots to grow in.

now, two days later, yellowing has stopped. you can't really tell from the picture, but she looks a lot happier. still a bit pale though.

i have to flower soon. she is starting to outgrow the width of my box. i have one question: i heard that you should use veg nutes the first or two first weeks in bloom. is this a common thing or just one mans oppinion? the guy i heard it from did it to avoid N def before blooming really kicked in. i should add that this strain takes 12+ days to start budding, at least from seed. but now that i grow from clone she allready has lots of preflowers. will this reduce the time it takes?

 

[4u2sm0ke]

okay..lets see how the TP went..I see the new growth comeing out is a Beautifull green..Hope Im not to early is saying..."Nice recovery" How ever I have had some plants that just didnt want to be all green..some want to be Yellow..LOL.plant looks good..but am worried on the amount of stress you have put that poor thing threw..when you get it under control..VEG it as long as you can..maybe it will forget the stress you put it threw..I hope..:bolt::bong:

 

[kebnekajse]

thanks, first time someone said something positive about my grow!

i think i can veg for about a week if i tie, bend, even top it a bit. but it will be a close call. well in any case, this is a learning experience.

and next week i will start building my 2x2x4 250w box! going coco! i love this, allthough i suck quite a bit.

 

[4u2sm0ke]

hey friend I am doing coco as well..massproducer coco to be exact..just Pm me if you need any help okay..have a Great day:bolt::bong:

 

[kebnekajse]

thought i should post a pic of her in the box. i really should have placed the plant further to the right in the pot when i transplanted. well well.

4u2smoke: mp-buckets is what i'm planing to do! seems very easy and effective. i will most def ask your advice in like 2 weeks.