Juicing Cannabis

[grodude]

I've seen a bunch of clips on the juicing of raw cannabis and it's benefits and I was wondering if anyone knew the answers to a few questions.

Is there a difference between juicing fan leaves and juicing bud? Does it matter what stage the leaves are in? Early veg vs Veg vs flower? I was thinking of keeping a mother plant under an LED light that I regularly defoliated so I can juice it. Is there a stage where I would more benefit or am I missing out on any nutrients by doing it this way?

 

[vostok]

Juicing bud ain't recommended as there is little juice in bud ...lol as for fan leaves, its mostly starch and chlorophyll ..there would be better alternatives around, eating/drinking raw weed ain't a good thing as it plays havoc with many stomach linings something to do with the trics being indigestible, and the need for heat and some catalyst like oil, or alcohol to break them bonds, but its still early days

 

[grodude]

Juicing bud ain't recommended as there is little juice in bud ...lol as for fan leaves, its mostly starch and chlorophyll ..there would be better alternatives around, eating/drinking raw weed ain't a good thing as it plays havoc with many stomach linings something to do with the trics being indigestible, and the need for heat and some catalyst like oil, or alcohol to break them bonds, but its still early days

That's not what I get when I google juicing cannabis. I actually juiced the fan leaves a couple times and it gave me a boost in mood and energy.

 

[mojoganjaman]

just remember...chlorophyll is a natural laxative...thats why we freeze our trim before extracting...my .02



mojo

 

[vostok]

That's not what I get when I google juicing cannabis. I actually juiced the fan leaves a couple times and it gave me a boost in mood and energy.

Yo..! good or you, but my experience, tho limited in this particular subject of ingestion weed raw, come from 2 main sources.

1: the method in which I prefer to water cure my weed for 3 days, changing the water daily, in which you may consider drinking?

2: the crazy old woman who sells fungi elixirs for a living ..and who sends any green matter thru her nutri-bullet(food processor) screaming at the top of her voice.
'If it didn't poison me, then its healthy.' ...lol
an eccentric spinster on the out skirts of the village, a dear really, currently testing crushed cannabis root tea!(more to come on this later!)

good luck ..lol

 

[The Hemp Goddess]

I've seen a bunch of clips on the juicing of raw cannabis and it's benefits and I was wondering if anyone knew the answers to a few questions.

Is there a difference between juicing fan leaves and juicing bud? Does it matter what stage the leaves are in? Early veg vs Veg vs flower? I was thinking of keeping a mother plant under an LED light that I regularly defoliated so I can juice it. Is there a stage where I would more benefit or am I missing out on any nutrients by doing it this way?

Where have you seen a bunch of clips and what exactly is supposed to be the benefits? What is in the leaves and bud that you get when you juice the leaves--especially if you are taking leaves from plants in veg which have no cannabinoids. Unless someone can show me exactly what it does and how it does it, I am not going to drink the Kool-Aid. I am not really understanding what you could be getting from juicing leaf/bud?

 

[grodude]

Where have you seen a bunch of clips and what exactly is supposed to be the benefits? What is in the leaves and bud that you get when you juice the leaves--especially if you are taking leaves from plants in veg which have no cannabinoids. Unless someone can show me exactly what it does and how it does it, I am not going to drink the Kool-Aid. I am not really understanding what you could be getting from juicing leaf/bud?

I believe I read yesterday when reading about it that you should pick fan leaves late into flower and not in veg. I am here asking because I do not know and am trying to get information.

While I am sure your knowledge is far more advanced than me when it has anything to do with cannabis, but I did juice a significant amount of fan leaves from early veg and I did feel a significant boost in energy and mood, it was as if I had 4 large cups of coffee.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-iU9QN0fEM

This is a short clip I found; Dr. William Courtney has done a substantial amount of research on the matter

 

[The Hemp Goddess]

Thanks for the link. There are benefits to juicing greens. I am not sure that cannabis leaves offer any more than any other "greens" that are juiced. I will watch the You Tube video. Is Dr. Courtney really a doctor?

 

[grodude]

Thanks for the link. There are benefits to juicing greens. I am not sure that cannabis leaves offer any more than any other "greens" that are juiced. I will watch the You Tube video. Is Dr. Courtney really a doctor?

It seems like he is a doctor

http://www.cannabisinternational.org/about.php


Dr. William L. Courtney has an extensive medical education that began with a Bachelor of Science in Microbiology from the University of Michigan. He also received his Doctor of Medicine from Wayne State University, and Interned for Residency in Psychiatry at California Pacific Medical Center and went on to earned his Post Doctorate in Forensic Examination and Forensic Medicine. Dr. Courtney is currently a member of American Academy of Cannabinoid Medicine, the International Cannabinoid Research Society, the International Association of Cannabis as Medicine, and the Society of Clinical Cannabis. Dr. Courtney has also been teaching Continuing Medical Education (CME) courses in clinical cannabis.

 

[grodude]

Thanks for the link. There are benefits to juicing greens. I am not sure that cannabis leaves offer any more than any other "greens" that are juiced. I will watch the You Tube video. Is Dr. Courtney really a doctor?

Have you seen the video? I may have given inaccurate information so I am here to clarify. It seems that Dr. Courtney agrees that you must decarb the marijuana in order to tap into its true medicinal properties. Instead, he says marijuana is a dietary essential that can assist your body in many ways, including bone regeneration. I feel like I made it sounds like he was saying juicing cannabis is better as a medicine and I no longer believe this is the case

 

[grodude]

In case anyone is interested, apparently I should be pulling leaves from the vegetative stage

http://www.rawhemp.tk/

"Leaf should be juiced in the vegetative stage; while trichomes are clear or milky."

 

[burnin1]

I read this on posted it as a reply to a news story.
Since this has relevance I will post it here as well.

Juicing Cannabis: The Potential Health Benefits of Treating Cannabis Like a Vegetable

Zach Reichard

Donald Abrams is chief of Hematology Oncology, at San Francisco General Hospital, and a professor of medicine at the University of California, San Francisco. He does research on the applications of medical cannabis, and has become an advocate as a result.

Abrams stated, “If cannabis were discovered in the Amazon rainforest today, people would be clambering to make as much use as they could of all of the potential benefits of the plant. Unfortunately, it carries with it a long history of being a persecuted plant.”
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Abrams appears in the short film that accompanies this article. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa0nLdVJiIg"]You Tube[/ame]




The film,provides some unique insight into the benefits of ingesting medical cannabis in its raw form and introduces the newest technique for doing so, juicing.

Pressed vegetable juices are very popular in America right now, so it’s no surprise that someone would eventually look into the benefits of juicing cannabis as well. In fact, some people have even suggested that cannabis should be considered and classified as a vegetable.

Vegetables are typically defined as a “herbaceous plant grown for an edible part, usually eaten as part of a meal.” This typically refers to the leaf, stem, flower, or root of a plant. In 1967, the meaning of “vegetable,” was specified to mean, “Plant cultivated for food, edible herb or root.” Some vegetables may be eaten raw, and others must be cooked in order to be edible. When certain fruits and vegetables are heated, they lose tons of beneficial enzymes and nutrients. Cannabis is no different.


The Health Benefits of Juicing Cannabis

Cannabis preparation techniques are based on what benefits you seek from the plant. By juicing the cannabis, you receive most of the medical benefits of the plant without the “high”. Cannabis in its raw form is still psychoactive, just not like the medicating effects you are used to from smoking or eating an edible. In fact, he claims that achieving the psychoactive effects from cannabis is purely a human aspect of the plant that, “Has nothing to do with the 34 million years of evolution the plant has.” Courtney is a dietary raw cannabis specialist, and a strong believer in the plants healing powers.

Dr. William L. Courtney claims, “It (cannabis) has captured these molecules that help our bodies regulatory system be more effective. The bottom line is it’s a dietary essential that helps all 210 cell types function more effectively. I don’t even refer to it as medicine anymore, strictly as a dietary essential.”
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While Courtney understands that smoked cannabis can in fact be used as a medicinal therapy, he believes that in its best form, raw, it is a preventative. He claims cannabis is the “most important vegetable on the planet” and that it can assist the function of your immune system, provide anti-inflammatory benefits, and improve bone metabolism and neural function. Cannabis is even capable of inhibiting cancer cell growth according to the doc; the list could go on and on.

According to the doctor, when you cook or smoke cannabis you are actually walking away from 99% of the benefits cannabis provides. Not to worry, in its raw form the plant contains THC-A (Tetrahydrocannabinolic-acid) and CBD-A (Cannabidiolic-acid), which must be heated in order to produce THC and CBD.

Only when you decarboxylate THC-A, turning it into THC, does it cause psychoactive effects or the ‘high’ you may be used to when smoking cannabis. Additionally, the body is able to tolerate larger dosages of cannabinoids when cannabis is consumed in the raw form. This is because when you smoke cannabis, the THC actually acts as a CB1 receptor agonist and your body can only absorb about 10 mg at a time.

Only when you decarboxylate THCa, turning it into THC, does it cause psychoactive effects or the ‘high’ you may be used to when smoking cannabis.
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The doctor recommends vaporizing to achieve the powerful anti-oxidant, anti-emetic and metabolism boosting CB1 receptor agonist activity of THC. Courtney suggests, “If you heat the plant, you will decarboxylate THC-A and you will get ‘high’. You’ll get your 10mg (of THC). If you don’t heat it, you can go up to five or six hundred milligrams, use it as a dietary cannabis and push it up to the anti-oxidant and neuro-protective levels which come into play at hundreds of milligrams. It is this dramatic increase in dose from 10 mg of psychoactive THC to the 500 mg – 1,000 mg of non-psychoactive THC-A, CBD-A, and CBG-A that comprises the primary difference between traditional ‘MedicalMarijuana’ and Alternative Cannabinoid Dietary Cannabis.”

The FDA has actually approved a tolerable CBD dose of 600 mg/day as a new investigative drug. This makes the medical potential of drinking the juice containing 600mg of CBD-A, far greater than when you heat the cannabis. Considering CBD percentages are typically below 1% in most strains, it would be physically impossible to smoke enough in one day to ingest a 600mg dosage of CBD.


Two-Way Communication With Nerve Cells

An article written in the December 2004 issue of Scientific American was about a molecule in cannabis that could communicate two-ways with nerve cells. They explained that one-way traffic to nerves is the main cause of inflammation in the body. Immune cells are being continuously attacked, and nothing is communicating with the nerves to tell them to calm down. When you add cannabinoids, a two-way communication is made possible, and inflammation is reduced. The cannabinoids work to prevent, or fight symptoms by providing nerves with this two-way communication.

Ethan Russo is a senior medical adviser to GW Pharmaceuticals, a British company that produces a THC mouth spray called, Sativex. In the mid-‘90s, Russo took a sabbatical in Peru after leaving his job at a neurology practice that he believed, was prescribing medicine with toxic side effects. Upon his return he claimed that marijuana holds the “greatest potential of any medicinal plant.”

A quote from Russo, “CBD works on receptors, and as it turns out, we have cannabinoids in our bodies, endogenous cannabinoids, that turn out to be very effective at regulating immune functions, nerve functions, and bone functions. The endogenous cannabinoid system acts as a modulator in fine-tuning a lot of these systems, and if something is deranged biochemically in a person’s body, it may well be that a cannabinoid system can bring things back into balance.”

Russo suggests that people who do not naturally produce the necessary amount of cannabinoids may be more susceptible to illnesses such as irritable bowel syndrome, glaucoma and migraines. The girl from the movie below, Kristen Peskuski, tells her incredible story of how she used juicing cannabis to treat what she is calling, “endogenous cannabinoid deficiency disorder.” Kristin suffered from a number of conditions that include lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, endometriosis, interstitial cystitis, hypoglycemia, anemia, chronic sinusitis, chronic bacterial infections, and other serious ailments before she started juicing cannabis.


The interesting thing about Kristen’s story is that smoking marijuana didn’t do nearly as much for her as juicing. Before she began juicing, Kristen would smoke a quarter of an ounce of cannabis a day along with ingesting many edibles and concentrates. Now she is off all antibiotics, and uses only cannabis juice to aid all of her ailments. Her OBGYN believes that cannabis may have even assisted her through her pregnancy; which was originally thought to be impossible because of her history with endometriosis.

Tips & Suggestions for Juicing Cannabis






Now we know all this is very exciting, but do not go throwing your dispensary buds in the juicer thinking your about to make a magic healing potion. Here is a list of recommendations from Dr. Courtney on juicing raw cannabis:

• When it comes to juicing, as with any vegetable, the fresher the better.
• Cannabis that has been dried and prepared for smoking is not suitable for juicing.
• Dr. Courtney recommends that patients juice 15 leaves, and 2 large (2 to 4 inches long) raw buds per day.
• Raw buds are flowers harvested when the THC glands are clear rather than amber.
• It is recommended that you mix in another vegetable juice to cut the bitterness of the raw cannabis.
• A popular choice is carrot juice, and a ratio of 1 part cannabis juice to 10 parts carrot juice is a good rule of thumb.
• Split the drink into 3 parts and drink with each meal, or store for up to 3 days in a tightly sealed container in the refrigerator.

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[The Hemp Goddess]

In case anyone is interested, apparently I should be pulling leaves from the vegetative stage

http://www.rawhemp.tk/

"Leaf should be juiced in the vegetative stage; while trichomes are clear or milky."

I don't understand this though. In the vegetative stage we do not get trichomes, let alone cloudy trichomes?

Dr. Courtney's recommendations include so much cannabis that I do not see how anyone can do this, even those of us that grow: "Dr. Courtney recommends that patients juice 15 leaves, and 2 large (2 to 4 inches long) raw buds per day. " Who can actually get 15 leaves and 2 large buds a day to juice? While this may be wonderful medicine, how can anyone grow enough to fill requirements like this on a daily basis. And if you had to buy it....

I also wonder about this: "Before she began juicing, Kristen would smoke a quarter of an ounce of cannabis a day along with ingesting many edibles and concentrates." I am a heavy smoker and pretty much smoke throughout the day and do not even come close to 1/4 oz a day and that is no edibles and concentrates. This is like a hundred dollars a day or more.

While juicing may be wonderful, I know that there is no way that I can come up with 15 large leaves and 2 2-4" buds a day....can you? Unfortunately if this is the quantity and quality that it takes, it is out of reach of the huge percentage of people who really need it.....

 

[vostok]

In case anyone is interested, apparently I should be pulling leaves from the vegetative stage

http://www.rawhemp.tk/

"Leaf should be juiced in the vegetative stage; while trichomes are clear or milky."

Maybe its the silly cost of health care in the US, that prompts members to post this stuff, from my end it just seems silly, that a 'doctor' would encourage this nonsense, but then again US doctors have a reputation for silliness, just ask Jacko?

 

[grodude]

I don't understand this though. In the vegetative stage we do not get trichomes, let alone cloudy trichomes?

Dr. Courtney's recommendations include so much cannabis that I do not see how anyone can do this, even those of us that grow: "Dr. Courtney recommends that patients juice 15 leaves, and 2 large (2 to 4 inches long) raw buds per day. " Who can actually get 15 leaves and 2 large buds a day to juice? While this may be wonderful medicine, how can anyone grow enough to fill requirements like this on a daily basis. And if you had to buy it....

I also wonder about this: "Before she began juicing, Kristen would smoke a quarter of an ounce of cannabis a day along with ingesting many edibles and concentrates." I am a heavy smoker and pretty much smoke throughout the day and do not even come close to 1/4 oz a day and that is no edibles and concentrates. This is like a hundred dollars a day or more.

While juicing may be wonderful, I know that there is no way that I can come up with 15 large leaves and 2 2-4" buds a day....can you? Unfortunately if this is the quantity and quality that it takes, it is out of reach of the huge percentage of people who really need it.....

I agree that this is not feasible with most people...yet. When marijuana becomes legal people that grow on a larger scale could make this affordable if there was a demand for it. Also, I have enough room to grow that amount. I still have to work on my growing skills (I haven't had time to continue my journal, but I'm about a week away from harvest!), but especially if I kept a section of my growing area where I kept leaves in the vegetative state it should be something that is possible for me to pull off...eventually. I would invest in LEDs to keep the cost of electricity down.

To comment on the fact that she smoked a quarter ounce a day; that's easy. I used to smoke over an eighth a day easily and that was because I had to ration what I smoked because I couldn't afford to smoke more. Like you said though, I spent most of my paycheck on weed and didn't really spend my money on anything else.

Also I'd like to repeat that I am not certain of this information, which is why I am here asking, but I did juice leaves from the vegetative stage and felt the effects that I read about. I read about the effects after juicing the leaves. When I drank the juice I didn't know what to expect, but what I ended up feeling was a boost in energy and a strong feeling of alertness as well as a feeling of euphoria or happiness.

 

[grodude]

Maybe its the silly cost of health care in the US, that prompts members to post this stuff, from my end it just seems silly, that a 'doctor' would encourage this nonsense, but then again US doctors have a reputation for silliness, just ask Jacko?

What specifically do you take issue with?

 

[The Hemp Goddess]

LOL--I think Vostok had problems with the same statement I did: ""Leaf should be juiced in the vegetative stage; while trichomes are clear or milky."

I seriously could not smoke 1/4 oz of my stuff every day. You truly have to be smoking all the time (probably like smoking 2 packs of smokes a day) and it makes me wonder about the quality of the smoke she had. In fact, her entire story has a lot of "...what???..." in it.

Even if it is legal and you can grow a bunch outdoors, that kind of quantity is going to be hard to come up with on a daily basis. Also, you need to pick the leaves in veg, but you also need 2 2-4" buds a day. Seriously, this is just not going to be possible for virtually anyone, even if you have a huge grow. And keep in mind that cannabis is not like corn. You cannot just plant acres of it and hope to get any quality--each plant does need individual care. You also cannot keep a plant in veg indefinitely if it is outside. You would have to have them indoors where you could control the light. And I have no idea how many huge plants you would have to have to be able to take 15 leaves a day. And then you add to that the 2 2-4" buds you need on a daily basis. I know that you think that you may be able to do this, but, you are az newer grower and, really, this growing is tough and quantities like that are going to be hard to do.

 

[vostok]

What specifically do you take issue with?

The silly cost of health care in the USA, forcing the people to try and use alternative methods of healing, no doctor (qualified or otherwise) should encourage any form of cannabis smoking ...think about it,...what doc would encourage a patient to inhale smoke, fumes, cinders and how many chemicals into the lungs at temps of above 180-400 degrees C...or the Fahrenheit equivalent ..?
admittedly we are discussing eating raw leaves with minimal thc/cbd, far better to soak those used leaves at harvest end, and drink the tea..UGH! or better foilar spray your seedling with the tea, for an increase in minerals and auxins ...?

 

[yarddog]

I see your point, but what doctor would prescribe pills with side horrible side effects? Not to mention pills cause cancer too, and the damage to your liver with long-term use.

 

[grodude]

LOL--I think Vostok had problems with the same statement I did: ""Leaf should be juiced in the vegetative stage; while trichomes are clear or milky."

I seriously could not smoke 1/4 oz of my stuff every day. You truly have to be smoking all the time (probably like smoking 2 packs of smokes a day) and it makes me wonder about the quality of the smoke she had. In fact, her entire story has a lot of "...what???..." in it.

Even if it is legal and you can grow a bunch outdoors, that kind of quantity is going to be hard to come up with on a daily basis. Also, you need to pick the leaves in veg, but you also need 2 2-4" buds a day. Seriously, this is just not going to be possible for virtually anyone, even if you have a huge grow. And keep in mind that cannabis is not like corn. You cannot just plant acres of it and hope to get any quality--each plant does need individual care. You also cannot keep a plant in veg indefinitely if it is outside. You would have to have them indoors where you could control the light. And I have no idea how many huge plants you would have to have to be able to take 15 leaves a day. And then you add to that the 2 2-4" buds you need on a daily basis. I know that you think that you may be able to do this, but, you are az newer grower and, really, this growing is tough and quantities like that are going to be hard to do.

A quarter once a day is really not a lot. I have a friend that smokes 12-15 1-gram blunts a day. I can't say anything more than it's not THAT much.

I never said anything about growing outdoors. I just want to know if I will get benefit from juicing vegetative leaves