cloning

[growformama]

Hi folks hope all are well. I have an indoor NL plant in the 3rd week of flowering (doing very well and healthy). I wanted to take a clone but was told I'm too late because she has flowered. I have heard this before, however I was wondering if anybody has had a successful clone this late in the game. Any help/advise would be appreciated.
Smoke 'em if ya got 'em:aok:

 

[curiouscat420]

abso freakin lutely...!!! some people recommend taking clones two weeks before harvest... you can easily put them back into veg... i would do it right around now or 4th week. enjoy !!!

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[Motor City Madman]

The farther you are in to the flower stage the longer it takes to revert back to the veg stage, look to go a couple weeks before you see new growth. Cloning a flowering plant can be done.

 

[maineharvest]

ive done it many times!! I usually cut most of the bottom branches and make them clones. It takes the same amount of time as a cutting in veg if not less to show roots.

 

[Hick]

ive done it many times!! I usually cut most of the bottom branches and make them clones. It takes the same amount of time as a cutting in veg if not less to show roots.

You keep saying that maine'.. but I believe that is the "exception", rather than the "rule".. I've taken my fair share of cuttings, and from "my" experience, cuts from flowerinng plants DO take longer to root and reveg' before any "new growth" starts, than cutting from a plant in veg' state.

 

[kasgrow]

I have found that clones taken in the 2nd to 3rd week of flowering root as fast as plants in veg without needing to reveg. After that they tend to take longer and then they have to reveg. They will go through the single blade leaf stage then.

 

[kev2779]

im 4 1/2 weeks into flower and 2 of my plants are doing so well i want to clone them is it the same as taking cuttings in veg or is there anything diffrent i should do any advice will be helpfull thanks

 

[Hick]

..."patients:".... have patience...

 

[evz355]

i want to take some clones off my plants while they are in veg and my question is do i need to give the ladies time to recover or can i throw them straight into flower. i dont know that they are def ladies yet either so should i wait till i sex them ? if so whats the best way to do this

 

[kev2779]

you should give them 2 weeks to let the roots establish before putting them in to flower as for sexing a week to 10 days into flower u can normally tell can take a bit longer thoe.

 

[dirtyolsouth]

Hi Growformama...

Like everyone sez... you'll do fine rooting a clone right now to preserve those genetics for future grows but it is a slow process for the plant to switch back to vegetative growth. It usually takes a good 2 weeks or more to root a plant that has been flowering and then approximately another month or more for it to re-veg and start growing new nodes with branches that have mature 5 bladed leaves. You'll have some funky looking growth at first with single bladed leaves then 3 bladed and finally 5,7 etc. blades depending on your strain. Here's a pic of a plant making the slow trudge back to veg... It took a few more weeks for this plant to get back to regular mature veg growth.

And sorry but I don't want to jack your thread but since it is on topic...

i want to take some clones off my plants while they are in veg and my question is do i need to give the ladies time to recover or can i throw them straight into flower. i dont know that they are def ladies yet either so should i wait till i sex them ? if so whats the best way to do this

Now while your plant is in veg mode is the best time to take the cuttings and just keep them around under a veg light cycle until you see your plants flower so you can make an informed decision about which phenos to keep in your garden. Unless you plan on breeding seeds, you can destroy the males clones as their male parent shows sex and then hang on to the females. If you end up with too many females to flower in your space right now you can either put the extras on hold in a veg room or if space is limited you can destroy the mother you took the clones from and raise the clone of that plant to flower in the future and/or perpetuate those genetics in your garden. I like to keep clones of any female I have flowering in veg mode because you never know which pheno is the ONE until you see it through the entire flowering process and smoke one or a hundred tests to make your decisions... :joint:I don't have the veg space to keep mother plants. I take cuttings from a plant before I put it into flower for future grows and also to keep the strain going in my veg space with small clones. I veg the clones until they get too big and then either put them into flower, give them to a buddy who's an outdoor grower or I'll (painfully) destroy them after I have more rooted cuttings of that strain and I just keep doing this on and on and on... for years!

As far as the timing of taking your cuttings, imho there are two good ways of looking at this EVZ... It somewhat depends on how large or small your plants are. Smaller plants that have a couple clones taken from them will show more stress than a plant vegged larger that has a few clones taken because it's a much small percentage of the growth on the plant. I've done wholesale clearing out of 'sucker' branching and lower growth on large, vigorously growing outdoor plants even while flowering without them even blinking or slowing down but if you trim too much off of any plant it will just sit there and look at you for a while before it resumes vigorous growth or flowering.:watchplant:

If you have plenty of vertical growing space and you'd like them to really go into flowering with all their energy and gusto I suggest that after you take your cuttings you then let the plant recover 5-7 days from the slight stress before switching to 12/12.

If you are trying to limit their size and slow down their stretch during flowering you can use pruning and/or taking cuttings to slow the growth rate down when you switch to 12/12. I've done many closet grows with limited vertical space and I use many different techniques for different strains so that they finish up at hopefully the desired height in my garden. Sometimes I'll pinch tops to limit upward growth and even sometimes use transplanting them sometime during the first two weeks of 12/12 to slow down the stretch. It's all about control and each strain has it's own tendencies that you learn over time and then tweak your method to hopefully give that strain it's best foot forward.

Happy Cloning!

 

[kev2779]

thanks wat about the bud that will be on the end of the cutting shouuld i cut it off or leave it on?

 

[Strawberry Cough]

I took 3 clone cuttings on August 9th the day I saw the lone white pistil on the plant. I tried to reveg the plant from which the cuttings came from out in the hot sunshine (just to see if would work better - it didn't, she dried up in 2 days despite having an established root system), and 2 cuttings died by end of 2nd week. 1 is still alive, but her 2 fan leaves are just about yellow and drying up today, and the only green part left is in the middle where new leaves come if she pulls through. I read someone here a few months back saying that warmer temperatures make for quicker clone times, but so far, I see the heat is just making things more difficult - even when not direct sunshine. The clones have only seen CFL light and indirect window-sill light. So it's nearly 2 1/2 weeks and still not certain if the one clone of three has pulled through.

 

[kev2779]

well iv done it just took 2 cuttings off my heavliy flowering plants got them in the propogator under a flourcent tube fingers crossed. oh and does any one know what happens to the buds on the tops do they just die off or what?

 

[Hick]

well iv done it just took 2 cuttings off my heavliy flowering plants got them in the propogator under a flourcent tube fingers crossed. oh and does any one know what happens to the buds on the tops do they just die off or what?

the 'new growth' will propogate from those buds...

 

[dirtyolsouth]

:yeahthat:

If I take a clone that has flowers on it, I just leave the flower matter on the plant and maybe a month down the road after after my clones get back to full veg growth and start growing vertically I'll then get rid of most of the lower vegetation and prune to remove the remaining flowers or it will eventually be some dead growth that moisture can collect on and get botrytis (bud rot) started...

Peace!

 

[dirtyolsouth]

I took 3 clone cuttings on August 9th the day I saw the lone white pistil on the plant. I tried to reveg the plant from which the cuttings came from out in the hot sunshine (just to see if would work better - it didn't, she dried up in 2 days despite having an established root system), and 2 cuttings died by end of 2nd week. 1 is still alive, but her 2 fan leaves are just about yellow and drying up today, and the only green part left is in the middle where new leaves come if she pulls through. I read someone here a few months back saying that warmer temperatures make for quicker clone times, but so far, I see the heat is just making things more difficult - even when not direct sunshine. The clones have only seen CFL light and indirect window-sill light. So it's nearly 2 1/2 weeks and still not certain if the one clone of three has pulled through.

Sorry about your cloning problems. Clones don't need very much light and CFLs work fine. I think the plant you tried to re-veg was taken out by sun stress. Plants that have never been in the sun need to be exposed to only filtered indirect sun for a few hours a day to gradually build up their tolerance to the suns energy and UV rays. Things are definitely getting to the final hour for that pheno but if you think it's doomed I think you can save it IF it still has any leaves on it. If all that remains is the mainstem then I think it is doomed. You could try spraying a little mist of water to see if the leaves can perk up at all.

If the leaves hang in there... Do you have a fresh water fish aquarium by any chance? I have a buddy who hangs clones on the edge of his fish aquarium to root. Is there any way you can come up with a modest clone bubbler? Any light proof plastic container (duct tape covered container) and an airstone and a cheap aquarium air pump and some plastic tubing for the airstone and you can make a bubbler that will deliver life support to your remaining cutting. Use a container with a lid and cut out a 2" hole in the top and a 1/4" hole for the hose to go to the airstones. I use neoprene collars from the hydro store but any water proof foam with a slit cut in it to hold the cutting will do. I'd pull it out of whatever medium you're in, rinse off any dirt, etc. and then do a fresh 45º cut on the tip and put the cutting in the bubbler so that the tip of the stem is barely in the water. And just use tap water ph'd to around 6-6.3

I'll bet you could even use a heavy duty 32 oz plastic drink cup, duct tape it for light proofing and use the plastic lid (duct taped) with a slit in it for your clone... Fill with water 4/5 full, put an airstone in it and hook it up to the air pump and voila... A bubbler for the price of an airstone and pump...

I've used just about every cloning method and this is the least stessful for the clone imho. The oxygen in the water should pull your cutting through until it roots in about 10-14 days. I usually put the water line in my bubbler maybe a 1/4" below the stems but since your cutting is going downhill if you put it in a bubbler I suggest you let the very tip of the cutting with the fresh cut be in the bubbling water.

Good Luck!

 

[kev2779]

thanks guys ill let u know if they make it. so far so good no signs of wilting yet.