A little help please.

[smalltowner]

Greetings,

I'm having an issue that I'm unable to sort out. I have three different strains...
1. Cheese #1 from kaliman.
How tall are your plants now? 15 inches

How far from the lights are the tops of your plants? Is this a constant distance or have you changed it recently? One to two inches. Pretty consistent.

How old are they? 431 days

Did you start them from seed or clone? Seed

What type of containers are you using and what size are they in gallons? Plastic pot, .25 gallon

2. Maple Leaf Indica from Sensi.
How tall are your plants now? Six inches.


How far from the lights are the tops of your plants? Is this a constant distance or have you changed it recently? One to two inches. Pretty consistent.

How old are they? 47 days

Did you start them from seed or clone? Clone


3. Grand Daddy Purp.
How tall are your plants now? Ten inches.


How far from the lights are the tops of your plants? Is this a constant distance or have you changed it recently? One to two inches. Pretty consistent.

How old are they? 120 days

Did you start them from seed or clone? Clone

A picture is worth a thousand words...
I've inspected the plants with a magnifying glass and didn't see any bugs.
The plants are "mothers" and are in small pots because I was attempting Bonzi Moms. hxxps://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=31919.
Plants are under fluorescent lighting.

If there is any info that is needed, just ask...

 

[sunakard2000]

have you cut back the root ball and replanted into a smaller container then after a few months back up to the current containers? you gotta trim the roots from time to time so they have room to grow, staying in a tiny pot without trimming and repotting every 6 moths or so max is necessary or they get root bound and this starts happening.

 

[smalltowner]

have you cut back the root ball and replanted into a smaller container then after a few months back up to the current containers? you gotta trim the roots from time to time so they have room to grow, staying in a tiny pot without trimming and repotting every 6 moths or so max is necessary or they get root bound and this starts happening.

Yes, I have.
Thanks for the speedy reply.

 

[Hushpuppy]

That appears to be a nutrient deficiency, or possibly just old age of those particular leaves.
What are you feeding them and what kind of soil are they in? Are they in organic? What kind of water do you give them? Do you check the PH of the water/solution before giving them?

 

[Growdude]

Really need to know a couple things before you can diagnose any plant problems.
First is always PH, anything that resembles a deficiency could be a PH problem as nutes cannot be absorbed, adding more will only make things worse.
Second is what nutrients and at what strength, preferably a EC or PPM reading.

With that said, to just look at your plant it looks overfeed. The very dark green waxy looking leaves.

 

[smalltowner]

That appears to be a nutrient deficiency, or possibly just old age of those particular leaves.
What are you feeding them and what kind of soil are they in? Are they in organic? What kind of water do you give them? Do you check the PH of the water/solution before giving them?

Peter's specialties orchid fertilizer. 30/10/10 plus micro nutrients (or so the bag says). It isn't actually soil, it is soilless mix. The brand is Pro Mix. Yep, the ph is adjusted and allowed to rest for 24 hours, then checked again before it is used. The adjusted ph is 6.5 to 7.0.

Really need to know a couple things before you can diagnose any plant problems.
First is always PH, anything that resembles a deficiency could be a PH problem as nutes cannot be absorbed, adding more will only make things worse.
Second is what nutrients and at what strength, preferably a EC or PPM reading.

With that said, to just look at your plant it looks overfeed. The very dark green waxy looking leaves.

I checked the ppm of the solution this morning, I wouldn't want to give inaccurate info since I'm asking for help, and the meter said 640.

I agree the dark green suggested too much N. I don't have these issues with anything other than these mother plants. I grow hydroponically the rest of the time and all is well. That is why I find this so frustrating.

The pics didn't appear in the order I uploaded them. The correct order of plant pics is...
1. MLI
2. GDP
3. Chz #1

Leaf pics
1. Chz #1
2. MLI
3. GDP

 

[WeedHopper]

Looks like Nute burn to me. I know the Nitrogen is high.

 

[smalltowner]

Alrighty, thank you all for the insights.
Leaching now.

 

[ShOrTbUs]

you also might wan't to pick up some nutes for mj. not to say orchid nutes won't work on mj. cearly they do as you have shown, but it might help in the future.

 

[smalltowner]

you also might wan't to pick up some nutes for mj. not to say orchid nutes won't work on mj. cearly they do as you have shown, but it might help in the future.[/quote

I use the General Hydroponics 3-part for hydroponic growing. Should I be using it for my mothers in soilless mix as well?

To be honest I'm seriously thinking about replacing these mothers and growing the new ones hydroponically.

 

[trillions of atoms]

Clone her and stick her in the dro if your tired of fooling with her in soil

 

[Hushpuppy]

Trying to get stuff right in soilless mixes seems to be a challenge for a lot of people. I have never done soilless before so I don't know a lot about it other than to apply my general knowledge of soil and hydro. Given that some of it looks like overnute while other looks like deficiency, I would be willing to bet that the PH is having a problem staying where it needs to be. I agree that going to all hydro might be a better way of doing it for you, and going exclusively with the GH nutes as the Peter's isn't formulated for MJ that I know of. MJ definitely is finicky about what it eats and requires certain things to be higher and lower than other plants.

You can actually leave those plants in the soilless containers that they are in and just set them in a "hydro" setup where they are getting fed/watered continually on auto from a recirculating rez. If you want help setting that up, just PM me and I can help you.

 

[trillions of atoms]

Anytime a member needs help it is wise to ask on the board to get the full array of knowledge.

hick has said this to me many times and I agree.

What medium are you familiar with in hrdro or what methods?

Your mix is dependant on certian ingredients for it to work well in a tray or not with out transplanting into a more preferred medium.

some manufactures call their mix soilless because it contains no dirt but has amdements that are unsuited for hydroponic applications such as worm castings , vermeculite or pine bark.

 

[smalltowner]

I use expanded clay in an ebb & flow table for vegetative growth, then move to a ebb & grow 6 bucket system for flowering.

I fear that using the soilless mix in my hydroponic system would make a mess and I'd be replacing pumps prematurely. The original draw to a soilless mix was the idea that it would be similar to hydroponics in the sense that I would be controlling the feeding of the plant(s).

I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has given advice, suggestions or help.

 

[Sin inc]

hey small i see your having some problem . i grow in soilless mixes and in small pots. from what i have found out is

1. because its a soilless mix your ph will have to be lower around start out around 5.8 . as you move along your grow rasie your ph slowly when your ready to harvest your ph should be around 6.5

2 because your using a soilless mix your more on the hyro side of things you will have to water more .

what your seeing could be three things. underwatering, rootbound, and or ph

more then likey its ph lower your ph how i said before . wait two weeks and see if this helps your ladys.

oh and because your doing soilless you will need to flush more often then you would in soil. saltbuild up happens very quick when growing in small pots and a soiless mix i hope this helps pm me if you still need help

 

[Hushpuppy]

TOA; You have a good point. I only offer individualized help on specific things and I always offer the person the option to keep it on the open forum as opposed to individualized. It is never my intention to pull members away from the board at any point, but there are times when certain folks like to have a more focused approach to a setup because they get confused by having too many opinions and/or options. As with what I offered here, it is just an option for this member to use or consider without having too many bakers adding ingredients to the pie.

I have given ideas, individually, to several members here who have then taken those ideas and changed them to fit or mixed them with other ideas to find the best solution, and that is completely ok with me. If this member asked me to explain my idea here on the open forum, I would have no problem with that either as my only intention is to help. If any member I offer help to isn't interested, I am not offended, and my offers of help and advice stand open to any and all.

 

[ozzydiodude]

IME it's been easier to help some ppl in pm. They understand the more direct one on one help. I'm always answering pm and will always answer pm to help ppl. Too me its why we're here to help other grow. I'm here to feed my addiction to bud porn too